'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Also here is what you don't understand.
Prior to anyone receiving the Holy Spirit of God permanently, the first thing on God the Father's agenda, was to send God the Son to be made flesh, THEN to shed His holy blood, for the forgiveness and REMOVAL of sin.

God the Father is Holy, therefore He could not dwell/live in anyone permanently, until God the Son died the death of His Sacrifice for us, as well is His Father!
Why? God the Father cannot live/dwell within anyone who is NOT made Holy!

However, by faith in the shed Blood of Christ, we are now made acceptable to God the Father, whereby HE CAN NOW live within anyone who has faith in Jesus, and His finished work!
As is the promise under His NEW Covenant: "I will never leave you, nor forsake you."

That was never the state of reality for those who lived under the OC.
But, for those who then were of faith, but died years ago prior to Jesus' first appearance, they did receive the Promise of God's Holy Spirit (white robes), in the days of Pentecost, which is shown in Revelation 6:9-11.
Prior to the death of Jesus, and faith in Him, no man could receive the Gift of Eternal life.

Pure immaculate Roman Catholic heresy, no good for any Protestant. I have much better words in my natural tongue for your BLUFF.

 

[Earburner]

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John 17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Heb. 10[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

 

[Earburner]

Pure immaculate Roman Catholic heresy, no good for any Protestant. I have much better words in my natural tongue for your BLUFF.

One must discern whether they are worshipping "a word god" or "the Word made flesh".
Jesus spoke to the Jews about that problem:
John 5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[Earburner]

Hi Barney,
this scripture I gave to "GE", is good for you also to read and study:
John 17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Heb. 10[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

 

[Earburner]

So you say, you, a person who is an imperfect human being, just like anyone else. You saying I don't agree with his truth, meaning God's truth, is just another imperfect human being saying that. That's all I'm going to see you as, is just another imperfect human being. Do you have a right to your belief and a right to express that belief, yes, but that's all it is to me. I don't agree with your belief or what you believe about me, and could care less what you or anyone else thinks, feels, or has to say about that.

And YOU say that you believe the bible!
Well, I am here to inform you that is NOT what you are to believe in.
He explicitly said that YOU should believe in Him, who is the ONLY Savior that the Father has sent.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And YOU say that you believe the bible!
Well, I am here to inform you that is NOT what you are to believe in.
He explicitly said that YOU should believe in Him, who is the ONLY Savior that the Father has sent.

Boundless self-worshipper, you replace the Holy Spirit OF GOD with your own self in yourself and you replace the Witness in the Word - the INSPIRING Holy Spirit and Speaking GOD of and IN THE BIBLE - with your hypocritical feelings and foolish opinion denying and BELITTLING the Holy Spirit of God in His Written Word and instead worship the idol of yourself and your own spirit. BLASPHEMY! I know you, you are not a stranger to me, and I shall as Thomas Watson said, no Bunyan it was who said, "INSTANTLY RESIST YOU AS THAT WHICH IS DIABOLICAL BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THE BIBLE".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

John 17[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Heb. 10[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

I'm not the stupid. You haven't listened one sentence, PRETENDER!

 

[Earburner]

Boundless self-worshipper, you replace the Holy Spirit OF GOD with your own self in yourself and you replace the Witness in the Word - the INSPIRING Holy Spirit and Speaking GOD of and IN THE BIBLE - with your hypocritical feelings and foolish opinion denying and BELITTLING the Holy Spirit of God in His Written Word and instead worship the idol of yourself and your own spirit. BLASPHEMY! I know you, you are not a stranger to me, and I shall as Thomas Watson said, no Bunyan it was who said, "INSTANTLY RESIST YOU AS THAT WHICH IS DIABOLICAL BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THE BIBLE".

The endless hurling of dull and fiery darts, with no barbs! Ephesians 6:16.

When will you learn that the Person of the Holy Spirit is the personification of God the Father and God the Son together, within all who are "born again"?
John 14:23 John 16:7

 

[Earburner]

I'm not the stupid. You haven't listened one sentence, PRETENDER!

I'm not the stupid. You haven't listened one sentence, PRETENDER!

I surely do know what you are talking about! Your approach is like splitting and splintering logs. You are a "word worshipper", just like the Pharisees.
But you can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

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I'm not going to look at a video from men saying Jesus is God, when there is no scriptures where he claims to be God. I have listened and read posts of people who believe Jesus to be God and quote certain scriptures that they say show he is God. The problem with those scriptures they quote is that they, meaning those who say the scriptures show Jesus to be God, it's really these people that are interpreting these scriptures to show Jesus is God. The scriptures themselves don't come out and say Jesus is God. I keep asking myself a question, if it is so important, like life and death important that people know Jesus is God, why didn't Jesus come right out and say that. Also since the Bible is a product of God's Holy Spirit, why didn't the Holy Spirit influence people to write down clearly that Jesus is God. No one isn't going to convince me that God Holy Spirit can't influence people to write it down that clearly, because God's Holy Spirit can.
Also when anybody starts following imperfect men/women and their interpretation of what a certain scripture/scriptures say you'll always be lead astray. I'm going to believe what is clearly written down in Scripture and not what some person/persons interpretation of what that Scripture says. People can think and say what they want about that.

 

[Earburner]

GE wants to compartmentalze God in lock down, so that God the Father is separate from His Son, but then create a New God, called the Holy Spirit.
Then He says: "the three are one God", but GE never comprehends how it is that they are one, because he can't see each as their own Person in the Godhead AS BEING GOD!

 

[Earburner]

I'm not going to look at a video from men saying Jesus is God, when there is no scriptures where he claims to be God. I have listened and read posts of people who believe Jesus to be God and quote certain scriptures that they say show he is God. The problem with those scriptures they quote is that they, meaning those who say the scriptures show Jesus to be God, it's really these people that are interpreting these scriptures to show Jesus is God. The scriptures themselves don't come out and say Jesus is God. I keep asking myself a question, if it is so important, like life and death important that people know Jesus is God, why didn't Jesus come right out and say that. Also since the Bible is a product of God's Holy Spirit, why didn't the Holy Spirit influence people to write down clearly that Jesus is God. No one isn't going to convince me that God Holy Spirit can't influence people to write it down that clearly, because God's Holy Spirit can.
Also when anybody starts following imperfect men/women and their interpretation of what a certain scripture/scriptures say you'll always be lead astray. I'm going to believe what is clearly written down in Scripture and not what some person/persons interpretation of what that Scripture says. People can think and say what they want about that.

Barney can't read, or he is not allowed to know who Jesus really is!
Matthew 16[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for *flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, **but [rather] my Father which is in heaven [has revealed it to you].

Note:
*by human logic and analytical study, no one can know who Jesus is.
** ONLY BY the Spirit of God the Father, can anyone know who Jesus is.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Barney can't read, or he is not allowed to know who Jesus really is!
Matthew 16[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for *flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, **but [rather] my Father which is in heaven [has revealed it to you].

Note:
*by human logic and analytical study, no one can know who Jesus is.
** ONLY BY the Spirit of God the Father, can anyone know who Jesus is.

That Scripture you quoted at Matthew verse 16 Simon Peter doesn't declare Jesus to be The Living God but instead declares Jesus to be the Son of The Living God. Since what's written down in Scripture is that Simon Peter declares Jesus to be, The Son of The Living God, that's what I'm going to believe, not something that a person or persons interprets what that verse means.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The endless hurling of dull and fiery darts, with no barbs! Ephesians 6:16.

When will you learn that the Person of the Holy Spirit is the personification of God the Father and God the Son together, within all who are "born again"?
John 14:23 John 16:7

<<the Holy Spirit is the personification of God the Father and God the Son together>> This is satanic earcreeper's POISON. The Holy Spirit of God is God in Person HIMSELF.

Not until the Spirit communicated Christ in the Scriptures to him will the sinner savingly have received the Faith of Christ. "Christ in me" is the Jesus in the Gospel, not the spirit in me.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

GE wants to compartmentalze God in lock down, so that God the Father is separate from His Son, but then create a New God, called the Holy Spirit.
Then He says: "the three are one God", but GE never comprehends how it is that they are one, because he can't see each as their own Person in the Godhead AS BEING GOD!

The only thing worse than the devil's theologian is satan's psychiatrist.

 

[Earburner]

Also when anybody starts following imperfect men/women and their interpretation of what a certain scripture/scriptures say you'll always be lead astray. I'm going to believe what is clearly written down in Scripture and not what some person/persons interpretation of what that Scripture says. People can think and say what they want about that.

So then, what you are saying is, you do not have a personal understanding about God, except for what the scriptures literally say.
Okay, I see that!
Since you do have faith in the scriptures, how does God deliver to His people the Gift of eternal life, and when does that take place?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I'm not going to look at a video from men saying Jesus is God, when there is no scriptures where he claims to be God. I have listened and read posts of people who believe Jesus to be God and quote certain scriptures that they say show he is God. The problem with those scriptures they quote is that they, meaning those who say the scriptures show Jesus to be God, it's really these people that are interpreting these scriptures to show Jesus is God. The scriptures themselves don't come out and say Jesus is God. I keep asking myself a question, if it is so important, like life and death important that people know Jesus is God, why didn't Jesus come right out and say that. Also since the Bible is a product of God's Holy Spirit, why didn't the Holy Spirit influence people to write down clearly that Jesus is God. No one isn't going to convince me that God Holy Spirit can't influence people to write it down that clearly, because God's Holy Spirit can.
Also when anybody starts following imperfect men/women and their interpretation of what a certain scripture/scriptures say you'll always be lead astray. I'm going to believe what is clearly written down in Scripture and not what some person/persons interpretation of what that Scripture says. People can think and say what they want about that.

So Barney BRIGHT is going to keep on following Barney BRIGHT. So do! Follow Barney BRIGHT'S <interpretation of what Scripture says>>. Of course Barney Bright does not grope along in the dark of JWs idol temple where only the sound of fool's gold seven singles echoes through the corridors.

 

[mjrhealth]

That Scripture you quoted at Matthew verse 16 Simon Peter doesn't declare Jesus to be The Living God but instead declares Jesus to be the Son of The Living God. Since what's written down in Scripture is that Simon Peter declares Jesus to be, The Son of The Living God, that's what I'm going to believe, not something that a person or persons interprets what that verse means.

Amen to that

 

[Earburner]

The only thing worse than the devil's theologian is satan's psychiatrist.

How one understands the Godhead, of how God exists, is not the determining factor of our salvation. John 4:24 Hebrews 11:6 Romans 8:8-9
However, if anyone denies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, they are of that spirit of antichrist, and therefore shall remain condemned already, until they come to repentance unto God, through faith in Jesus.
1 John 4:2 2 John 1:7 John 3:18

 

[Earburner]

Amen to that

If i am understanding your reasoning,
I say amen to what you understand by the Spirit of God, in that Jesus was "brought forth" before the creation of the world.

But unfortunately, that truth is diametrically opposed to the JW view of the beginning of Jesus Christ, in that they believe that Jesus' life began, when He was made flesh. Iows, to them Jesus had no pre-existence of any kind.
The JW view is of that spirit of antichrist.
1 John 4:2 2 John 1:7