What are Your Feelings on Tithes

[Waiting on him]

Psalm 37:25 KJV
I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

as one beggar telling another beggar where to find bread.

Ever considered ‘beggar’ with ‘beggarly’?
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?


“where to find bread” John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

Why is money likened to bread or dough? But there never seems to be enough of it?

 

[Enoch111]

Why is money likened to bread or dough?

"Dough" used to be slang for cash at one time, so someone came up with this:
Q: What is college bred?
A: It is a four-year loaf, made with the young man's yeast and the old man's dough.

But there never seems to be enough of it?

There is plenty of money. Just in the wrong hands or the wrong banks. And for most countries today, if there is a shortage, just crank up the printing presses. National debts will never be paid back.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I suggest that you give 100% of your next paycheck to the church then.

If one is Tithing they “ could” find themselves Cursed.Tithing is Law.Those under the Law live under the “Curse Of The Law”. Don’t give a dime to the things of God if you are doing it under obligation....If you aren’t giving from your heart .....God does not want it....

 

[justbyfaith]

If one is Tithing they “ could” find themselves Cursed.Tithing is Law.Those under the Law live under the “Curse Of The Law”. Don’t give a dime to the things of God if you are doing it under obligation....If you aren’t giving from your heart .....God does not want it....

God promises a blessing over your tithe (Malachi 3:10)...so how can it be of the law?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

God promises a blessing over your tithe (Malachi 3:10)...so how can it be of the law?

I believe almost every Law comes with a blessing......they are just not spelled out as explicitly as they are concerning the tithe
God’s Law says in the Ten Commandments says to “ Not Kill” .....If one “does” kill , he will probably be killed by the State and go to prison for many years.....By obeying that Commandment, one has been blessed .....the same logic applies to the other laws.....they are all there for our own good — not to take all of the fun out of life.....obey God’s Laws and you will be blessed for it.....ignore the Laws of God and be cursed
We are not Obligated to pay any type of tithe in this Age Of Grace.....we are to give from the heart....yet Paul reveals a blessing......the more you give, the more you receive—- it’s how we “ store” Treasure in Heaven.Some get their Reward here on Earth.....some can tithe all of their lives and die broke —- they will get it “ over there”......God WILL keep His Promise....

 

[Rocky Wiley]

"Dough" used to be slang for cash at one time, so someone came up with this:
Q: What is college bred?
A: It is a four-year loaf, made with the young man's yeast and the old man's dough.

There is plenty of money. Just in the wrong hands or the wrong banks. And for most countries today, if there is a shortage, just crank up the printing presses. National debts will never be paid back.

Do you know who the money changers are? Hint, they are the same as in Jesus' day and they are world wide today.

 

[justbyfaith]

e are not Obligated to pay any type of tithe in this Age Of Grace.....we are to give from the heart

If you give 10% from the heart, you have brought in the whole tithe; and God will pour out for you a blessing that you will not be able to receive...He will open the windows of heaven for you.

If you give less than that 10%, you may still be blessed (Luke 6:38, 2 Corinthians 9:6)...but you will not receive the promise of Malachi 3:10 because you have not fulfilled the condition of the promise.

 

[atpollard]

If you give 10% from the heart, you have brought in the whole tithe; and God will pour out for you a blessing that you will not be able to receive...He will open the windows of heaven for you.

If you give less than that 10%, you may still be blessed (Luke 6:38, 2 Corinthians 9:6)...but you will not receive the promise of Malachi 3:10 because you have not fulfilled the condition of the promise.

I don’t have any crops in my fields or herds to offer a tithe from the increase of. Does God really want 10% of my grass clippings and 10% of those little green lizards that run up and down the windows of my house? I am not even sure how many lizards there are to begin to count the increase from. In any event, Malachi commands me to bring it “into the storehouse”. That would be at the Temple in Jerusalem destroyed in AD 70, isn’t it?

We certainly seem to be “picking and choosing” from the commands and promises in Malachi, aren’t we.

 

[justbyfaith]

I don’t have any crops in my fields or herds to offer a tithe from the increase of. Does God really want 10% of my grass clippings and 10% of those little green lizards that run up and down the windows of my house? I am not even sure how many lizards there are to begin to count the increase from. In any event, Malachi commands me to bring it “into the storehouse”. That would be at the Temple in Jerusalem destroyed in AD 70, isn’t it?

We certainly seem to be “picking and choosing” from the commands and promises in Malachi, aren’t we.

Hey, if you don't want the blessing, by all means don't do what is necessary to receive it.

I think that 1 Corinthians 16:1-1-2 is the NT mandate for tithing; and that 1 Corinthians 9:1-18 and 1 Timothy 5:17-18 gives the rationale for supporting a pastor with tithing.

I am also of the opinion that all scripture is inspired of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness; and that Malachi 3:10 counts as such scripture.

You can try to explain it away with historical context and other things...but it is still the word of God...and you can benefit from obeying it!

 

[atpollard]

Hey, if you don't want the blessing, by all means don't do what is necessary to receive it.

That sounds all noble and religious, but you have ignored that fact that YOU are not doing what Scripture requires for the blessing in Malachi either. So why should you expect a blessing for NOT doing what God commanded, but doing what YOU wanted to do instead and claiming that YOUR decision was God’s command?

"Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation [of you!] "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows. "Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast [its grapes,]" says the LORD of hosts. "All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the LORD of hosts. [Malachi 3:8-12 NASB]

"You shall surely tithe all the produce from what you sow, which comes out of the field every year. "You shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. "If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring [the tithe,] since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you, then you shall exchange [it] for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. "You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. "Also you shall not neglect the Levite who is in your town, for he has no portion or inheritance among you. "At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit [it] in your town. "The Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance among you, and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town, shall come and eat and be satisfied, in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do. [Deu 14:22-29 NASB]​

 

[justbyfaith]

That sounds all noble and religious, but you have ignored that fact that YOU are not doing what Scripture requires for the blessing in Malachi either. So why should you expect a blessing for NOT doing what God commanded, but doing what YOU wanted to do instead and claiming that YOUR decision was God’s command?

"Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation [of you!] "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows. "Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast [its grapes,]" says the LORD of hosts. "All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the LORD of hosts. [Malachi 3:8-12 NASB]

"You shall surely tithe all the produce from what you sow, which comes out of the field every year. "You shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and your flock, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. "If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring [the tithe,] since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you, then you shall exchange [it] for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. "You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. "Also you shall not neglect the Levite who is in your town, for he has no portion or inheritance among you. "At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit [it] in your town. "The Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance among you, and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town, shall come and eat and be satisfied, in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do. [Deu 14:22-29 NASB]​

I consider that the tithe, simplified, is simply 1/10 of your gross income.

To say that in order to properly tithe, we must tithe of mint and anise and cumin, is very much what the Pharisees did with the sabbath day laws and other laws in holy scripture...they tied great burdens hard to bear around men's necks, and themselves would not lift them with one of their fingers.

The devil is in the details.

K)eep I)t S)imple S)tupid.

 

[Joseph77]

To say that in order to properly tithe, we must tithe of mint and anise and cumin

Could you quote the Scripture in context about this - what Jesus said ?

 

[justbyfaith]

Could you quote the Scripture in context about this - what Jesus said ?

It is not of importance; because I was using Jesus' words to refer to the Old Testament details of what it meant to tithe.

 

[Joseph77]

It is not of importance; because I was using Jesus' words to refer to the Old Testament details of what it meant to tithe.

Well , it might be important, as I believe you mis-construed what Jesus Himself says.

 

[justbyfaith]

Well , it might be important, as I believe you mis-construed what Jesus Himself says.

How so?

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus said that the Pharisees gave tithes of their anise and cumin and neglected the weightier matters of the law. He said that this they should have done without leaving the other undone.

But I was using a shortcut in referring to this statement of our Lord and was attempting to refer to the details in the Old Testament concerning tithing, such as giving of fruit and herbs and such and such rather than the gross of your income.

 

[Joseph77]

To say that in order to properly tithe, we must tithe of mint and anise and cumin

This ^^^^ is part of what I noticed at first, partly corrected in your last post >>

Jesus said that the Pharisees gave tithes of their anise and cumin and neglected the weightier matters of the law. He said that this they should have done without leaving the other undone.

Noting simply that Jesus did not say it is wrong to tithe of mint and anise and cumin as they did.
Rather, in fact , as now posted, He said they should continue tithing mint and anise and cumin , and also "without leaving the other undone" > i.e. change from neglecting the weightier matters of the Torah to DOing as Torah says plainly.
In other words - it is not wrong to tithe as directed.
It was and is wrong to neglect the more important matters of Torah.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I regard to Tithing , Jesus said “ these things you OUGHT to have done.” The Jews and Jews ONLY should have tithed, lest they be “ cursed” and NOT have their barns “ overflowing”, etc......Jesus was under Law and preached the Law to the fellow Jews that were also under that Old Covenant....Believe it or not, we are NOT a part of that Law ....
The Law DEMANDS Tithing to get a blessing .....Grace says that you have been already been blessed by what Christ did for you on the Cross......Now, What’s it Worth to you? That “ worth” will be determined by your Heart , as are ALL things under this Age Of Grace....God, in His Mercy and Kindness has even juiced things up a little bit.....the more you give, the more you get! The Old Testament man Of Faith got Earthly Blessings for showing Faith.The NEW Testament Man Of Faith gets Heavenly Blessings for showing Faith in His Giving.....
Percentages mean Nothing now— New Testament Believers gave 100%—-EVERYTHING! And they were EAGER to give it! Most of them got Nothing in the here-and-now.....many died broke in prison and later fed to lions.....So much for for Earthly Rewards!
BUT—— How do you think these Faithful Believers are making out now? If you said, “ they have now been rewarded with Unspeakable Treasure in Heaven”....... go to the head of the class....

 

[bbyrd009]

Maybe a closer look at the scripture

In my opinion He wasn't praising her, he was pitied her, for being dupped by the religious hypocrites.

and fwiw this kind of writing permeates Scripture imo, if a passage initially gives you one "feeling" then look for its polar opposite maybe, stuff like that. Contemplate "righteous" as "bad" even, "pious," maybe only sometimes, dunno. Esp in passages that dont make common sense

Why would Samson ever tell Delilah his secret? for instance, not meaning to derail
havent got that one yet though!