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God certainly has authority over these powers, so we should not be afraid of them--unless we open a door to them, which I believe we can do through involvement in the occult or though any sin.
footnote: there's a lesson titled "The Mind Behind The System", online pdf somewhere, not very long I think, that shows
we do not have to "open the door to them" because we are born in the flesh, into the system, and whatever is born of the flesh is flesh and profits nothing is the most gentlest of the warnings God gives us in His Word concerning the system (the system all around us - society, religion, commerce, education, politic, medic, education) ....the system we are all born into, and all our life taught ...
until God rescues us.
Nothing at all to fear or be afraid of, no, as Jesus says "I have overcome the world" .... and He Is The One Who Saves us, Shepherds us even in the midst of ravenous wolves... Guards and Keeps us, as He Says.
 
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footnote: there's a lesson titled "The Mind Behind The System", online pdf somewhere, not very long I think, that shows
we do not have to "open the door to them" because we are born in the flesh, into the system, and whatever is born of the flesh is flesh and profits nothing is the most gentlest of the warnings God gives us in His Word concerning the system (the system all around us - society, religion, commerce, education, politic, medic, education) ....the system we are all born into, and all our life taught ...
until God rescues us.
Nothing at all to fear or be afraid of, no, as Jesus says "I have overcome the world" .... and He Is The One Who Saves us, Shepherds us even in the midst of ravenous wolves... Guards and Keeps us, as He Says.
Amen. He!!!!
 

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Absolutely, He give in His time.

Why would I need a prophet, we are reconciled?
Why? Do you mean ever? What Purpose did God choose the prophets for ? What is God's Good Plan for them and revealed through them ?
How did anyone find out they are or were reconciled ? (i.e. did God deliver the good news with prophets, or without prophets ? )
 

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1 John 5:18 KJV
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
 

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Why? Do you mean ever? What Purpose did God choose the prophets for ? What is God's Good Plan for them and revealed through them ?
How did anyone find out they are or were reconciled ? (i.e. did God deliver the good news with prophets, or without prophets ? )
This is why I asked for a prophet to be defined in the first place.
 

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This is why I asked for a prophet to be defined in the first place.
smile now, we're on candid camera ! .... or tongue in cheek....

corporations claim the evil they do is okay, because of prophet... er.... profit.... they are responsible to their share holders they say - not to God, and they do not serve God.
 

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In my opinion anyone who professes the Lord Jesus is a prophet, and those who recieve Him in a prophets name are blessed.
Smile Bigger in Truth -
everyone who receives a little child , and even give or receive a glass of water in His Name, receives a reward ....
 

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Lol, He is the reward.
There is also a reward of "SHALOM" to those households, even if they are unbelievers, who receive someone who comes in Jesus' Name. They may or not be resurrected in Jesus to life eternal, that is something else, something more, as written.
i.e. "SHALOM", peace, joy, healing, comfort. all can be a reward....
 
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There is also a reward of "SHALOM" to those households, even if they are unbelievers, who receive someone who comes in Jesus' Name. They may or not be resurrected in Jesus to life eternal, that is something else, something more, as written.
i.e. "SHALOM", peace, joy, healing, comfort. all can be a reward....
Agreed, but they can also be entertaining a goat saying follow me.
 

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Agreed, but they can also be entertaining a goat saying follow me.
No. That's not what is written in Scripture, and they would not get a reward, they would not get truth, they would not get shalom, they would not get the joy of salvation , they would not get the joy of union with Jesus ...
from a goat.
 

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No. That's not what is written in Scripture, and they would not get a reward, they would not get truth, they would not get shalom, they would not get the joy of salvation , they would not get the joy of union with Jesus ...
from a goat.
Unfortunately I believe that's what many get, the not Jesus.
 

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Unfortunately I believe that's what many get, the not Jesus.
Yes, that is what the majority get, worldwide and in the usa - not Jesus; not Salvation; not Truth.

But that was not what I posted about....

There is also a reward of "SHALOM" to those households, even if they are unbelievers, who receive someone who comes in Jesus' Name. They may or not be resurrected in Jesus to life eternal, that is something else, something more, as written.
i.e. "SHALOM", peace, joy, healing, comfort. all can be a reward....

The ones who come in Jesus' Name, come in His Authority, Abiding in Him, His Word Abiding in them...

not some empty untrue claim (of many) who just say they are Christian or just say in name, without reality, that they are coming in His Name.
 
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Yes, that is what the majority get, worldwide and in the usa - not Jesus; not Salvation; not Truth.

But that was not what I posted about....



The ones who come in Jesus' Name, come in His Authority, Abiding in Him, His Word Abiding in them...

not some empty untrue claim (of many) who just say they are Christian or just say in name, without reality, that they are coming in His Name.
I misunderstood.
 

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I misunderstood.
Partly I think - no worries - glad to clarify right away .... There is not time enough at all to clarify correctly all the errant (false) posts or threads.... and no rules requiring it on the internet. But we can at least continue to clarify for one another, as well as warn one another, of the errors we see daily, as God Permits and Directs.
 
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footnote: there's a lesson titled "The Mind Behind The System", online pdf somewhere, not very long I think, that shows
we do not have to "open the door to them" because we are born in the flesh, into the system, and whatever is born of the flesh is flesh and profits nothing is the most gentlest of the warnings God gives us in His Word concerning the system (the system all around us - society, religion, commerce, education, politic, medic, education) ....the system we are all born into, and all our life taught ...
until God rescues us.
Nothing at all to fear or be afraid of, no, as Jesus says "I have overcome the world" .... and He Is The One Who Saves us, Shepherds us even in the midst of ravenous wolves... Guards and Keeps us, as He Says.
Right, I wasn’t implying that, as Christians, we cannot avoid opening a door to demonic forces. I believe that we can avoid this when we walk by the Spirit (Romans 8) in obedience the His leading....
 
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Right, I wasn’t implying that, as Christians, we cannot avoid opening a door to demonic forces. I believe that we can avoid this when we walk by the Spirit (Romans 8) in obedience the His leading....
another footnote: too many Christians have been born into, or learned, bad behavior and even approve of it. They are too frequently taught that wrong is right, and right is wrong, and do not find out how to obey God or Jesus. Thus, they do not have to open a door to evil /wrong/ forces - they have grown up in /with it, and continue in disobedience perhaps never repenting ?
 
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Yeah that's the normal response only that demons are bodiless spirits. This guy was flesh and blood! Real person. Showed me his pearls. The Rosary.
Angels are spirits and yet they have the ability to appear as flesh and blood people. How to you know demons can't do the same thing.
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I believe the answer is from Matthew 7:16 "you will know them by their fruits," so if someone claims to have the gift of discernment, but they lack love, or they don't have much compassion, then it's probably best not trusting those sort of people, but if you can tell that they are really are showing the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, Self Control) then you can trust them.

I know it's getting harder and harder to find other Christians that you can trust, but there are still some.
For me fruits also can include results in the practical world. I think the demonic wishes to see death and destruction while the angelic wants to see life and harmony. If someone called himself a shepherd but led the sheep into danger and their lives were lost because of his incompetence, I can't see his a a competent shepherd. He could be lacking in love as you say. He could be lacking wisdom or power. He may like sheep but was too lazy to study the terrain to see where perils existed or to be able to plan ahead so they would have proper food and water. He could also be too lazy to train himself how to defend them against attack -- or too cowardly to defend them.

I believe if we love, truly love, we must seek wisdom and power also. Paul calls those faith, hope and charity -- the three go together. We are as strong as our weakest point -- and if someone is strong in one but weaker in the other two, his strength in the first will decrease unless he grows in the other two. I think Paul places importance on charity first because it's easier to start with that and increase the other two.

Someone who leads others into disaster is not hearing from God. That cannot be. While I believe in forgiving such leaders if they repent, I also think they should realize they are not fit ministers. Some of them fooled themselves. They should recognize they were guided by something other than God. People who trusted them should also see that and not allow themselves to be fooled a second time by continuing to accept failures as ministers.

Congregations are responsible for this. It is a sin to tempt to others to sin. If I knew someone had been addicted to pain pills and gotten into illegal drugs when the supply of legal pills ran out, I should not tempt him to fall again by letting pain pills in my medicine cabinet if he comes to visit. If he winds up in jail because I tempted him that way, I'm partly to blame. If a man was caught in adultery and says he's sorry, that's fine, but women should not be tempting him to repeat his offense by being alone with him, by wearing overly daring clothes, or by making gestures that could be construed as enticing. If we know the weaknesses of others and love them, we may have to adjust our own lives to avoid tempting them to sin.

What is wrong about removing failed ministers or prophets? It will hurt their feelings? If we say that, we are saying such men are motivated by pride. What is wrong about demoting someone and giving him a lesser job or perhaps no job involving trust or responsibility? In the past ten or twenty years, we have seen how poorly things turned out for the Catholic Church when they were "too easy" on offending priests. Bishops were often motivated by wanting to protect the priests rather than the congregations. It didn't work for them; and to a large extent, they have stopped trying to protect the bad apples. Protestants might learn from the mistakes of the Catholics in how to deal with failed ministers and the like.