The Supernatural, paranormal and the artificial

[brian100]

So no on the recent film? Other vid blocked in USA. I bought the 2003 on Ebay for $5.

 

[marksman]

2 - the demonic/witchcraft (From the devil) - Not everyone is aware of this stuff, and some people of the world may have good intentions, but they also may be operating under witchcraft/the demonic.

Those that operate under witchcraft include - Black magicians, Sorcerers, Witches, Wizards, Warlocks, Witchdoctors, Tarot card readers, psychics, mediums, new age healers, basically anyone that operates under an alternative spirituality that is not from God, is operating under the demonic, signs and wonders that come from them is from the devil, there have even been successful healings from these people too, but DO NOT GO TO THEM, as it does more harm than good, and while you may have a successful healing, at the same time you could be inviting evil demonic spirits into your life, the devil does this stuff through those kind of people to deceive. There have even been false signs and wonders from pagan religions, for example a Buddhist monk was cremated and his ashes turned into gemstones, this is a deceptive sign meant to deceive people, this is why discernment of the spirits is so important!

We also remember reading about the 10 plagues, Pharoah's magicians able to recreate 3 by using witchcraft, they weren't able to recreate the rest though, for example Moses turning the staff into a snake was a miracle of God, but Pharoah's magicians also were able to turn their staffs into snakes using witchcraft, but because God is greater, Moses snake swallowed all of Pharoah's snakes up, and we recall Pharoah's magicians eventually had to give up.

Also there are these people that do graveyard tours and haunted house tours, they claim to see ghosts, now these ghosts are most likely demonic spirits!

When the Bible says the devil can dress up as an angel of light it means it. 2 Corinthians 11:14 and it's also another reason why discernment of the spirits is important. The devil steal, kill, destroys and deceives, the devil is a lier. The devil and his demons don't always dress up as angels of light either, they can be pretty obvious, oh I have seen demons in the form of dark shadows, darker than night, making evil sounds. If you ever see one call on the Lord Jesus!

So that's the message of point number 2, do not get involved in any spiritual activity that is not from God, do not go to witchdoctors or new age healers for healings, do not go to psychics or mediums, do not go to an Imams, Gurus or Buddhist monks for spiritual advice, and do not get into tribal spirituality that's not from God, test the spirits, learn to discern them. - This is the basic level of discernment.

At the top level of being able to discern the spirits, which is a gift from the Holy Spirit, so don't get mad if you are not able to do it, as not every Christian can do it, not every Christian has this gift, but with the gift of discernment, you should be able tell what is from God and what is not from God, without asking any questions, now that is a gift from God to be able to discern the spirits, the Holy Spirit will show/tell you what is from God and what is not from God, those with that gift will not need to ask any questions, the Holy Spirit will let them know, but first learn the basic stuff.

Did you know that there is no such thing as a happy medium?

 

[marksman]

Why does anyone need to know about the future?

Here is a guess. Because God, when he wrote the bible, devoted large sections of it telling us about the future.

 

[marksman]

I got talked into 'playing' with a Ouija board which wasn't even a real one. I t was only once but it had a profound effect on my life with the loss of an unborn baby and a marriage break up. They are dangerous because they are supposed to allow you to communicate with dead spirits but they are evil spirits.



Different spiritual principles Giuliano - evil and good. A medium speaks the voice of evil, and deceives even though it might sound good. A prophet speaks the word of God which will come to pass in due time.

And I do not have a low opinion of true prophets so I don't know where you got that from. True prophets are an important part of the Christian Church, along with pastors, preachers teachers and evangelists. Sadly some religious organisations have relied on false prophets.

And most of them have ignored the ministry of prophecy full stop.

 

[Heart2Soul]

This issue of the supernatural raises some interesting questions for me. Jesus told us (in Matthew and Mark) that, like his ability to kill the fig tree, believers should be able to move mountains. Also, Matt. 17:20 reiterates that "faith like a grain of mustard seed" will enable us to move mountains. In fact, Jesus paraphrases Genesis here, saying, "Nothing will be impossible to you." Now, I know how some Christians like to minimize Jesus' statements (i.e., Jesus did not literally mean we could move mountains), but I think the context speaks for itself.

My issue is, why can't Christians move mountains? My only conclusion is that every Christian alive today has the faith equivalent to something even more minute than a mustard seed. If a mustard seed is "small", the modern Christians have faith that is "puny". I can only believe that Jesus is very disappointed that none of his followers have much faith.

The statement by God, "Nothing will be impossible to them" (Gen. 11:6), was in reference to the building of the Tower of Babel. At that time, God was not encouraging this truth; hence, the Tower came down and the languages were confused. However, by Jesus' time, God has deemed us adequately prepared, and Jesus is encouraging us to embrace our powers and knowledge. Humans, believers or not, are slow to evolve. It has taken over 2000 years for Christians to mature enough to enact Jesus' promise, and still no sign of it happening anytime soon.

We must admit, all of us, if we are Christians - our faith is puny! There is no room for overconfidence in our own (personal) beliefs or our own faith.

God gives each of us a measure of faith...then He gives us opportunities to grow in our faith. Like Peter for example....Peter sees a man walking on the water and calls out to Him....Jesus replies and Peter says if it is really you bid me to come out to you......(opportunity to exercise his faith) so Jesus bids him to come and Peter starts walking on the water until he is aware of his surroundings and his carnal mind probably was saying this isn't possible and begins to sink. He then cries out to Jesus to help him.
Jesus said ye of little faith....(short version).
The first measure of faith you received was to believe in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

 

[historyb]

So no on the recent film? Other vid blocked in USA. I bought the 2003 on Ebay for $5.

It is a great movie and shows the truth of the matter

 

[dev553344]

I have decided to make a new thread for this topic.

Please try not to debate here, this thread is hopefully going to help some members understand more about the supernatural and that not every spirit is from God and that also not everything is supernatural. This thread is going to start of at a basic level though, the more obvious things, as some people need to know the basics. And I am just going to try to keep it simple for the first post.

Now being a topic about the supernatural.

There are 2 main categories of the supernatural.

1 - the Godly (From God) - We will talk about God, The Lord Jesus, The Holy Spirit, what is God capable of in today's world, miracles from God, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, supernatural gifts from God, angels that are messengers of God, how God can work through people's lives.

2 - the demonic (From the Devil) - We will talk about Satan, the demonic, how Satan can use people, how he can deceive people, about how the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, false signs and wonders (yes they do exist), black magic, witchcraft and how it differs to miracles.

We can also add this category. As it can be confused.

3 - Self (Thoughts, imaginations, non-supernatural works in the natural flesh, this may also include some works which aren't led by God)


Now I will just post a quick summary, and I will start of with the first category.

1 - The Godly (From God or of God) - There is obviously God, The Lord Jesus, The Holy Spirit, in the Bible there is the greatest miracle of all. Jesus dying on the cross as an ultimate sacrifice that our sins may be washed away by His blood, that we may be forgiven and have eternal life if we choose to Believe in Him, He then resurrected on the 3rd day, another supernatural miracle from God. We also read about Lazarus being raised from the dead, we remember Jesus said "Lazarus come forth" and Lazarus arose, Eutychus was also raised from the dead in Acts 20:7-12, he was the man that fell out of the window, God worked a miracle through Paul Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around him. “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “He’s alive!” there are also a few other examples of the raising of the dead in the Bible, when Jesus died on the cross, there was a great earthquake and people rose up from their graves. All of us also recall the splitting of the Red Sea, that was a miracle from God, striking the rock and water coming out, that was a miracle from God, manna from Heaven that was a miracle from God, feeding of the 5000 another miracle from God.

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are also from God.

1 Corinthians 12:4-11

4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

There are also angels from God, these angels are sent to bring messages from God, some are sent to protect us and watch over our lives, some people see them, some don't, but there angels watching over many of our lives, an example we know angel Gabriel was sent to Mary by God. We also know that God sends angels to protect us.

Psalm 91:11-12 NLT

11 For he will order his angels
to protect you wherever you go.
12 They will hold you up with their hands
so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.

And some dreams and visions also come from God, God still talks to His sheep, His sheep still here His voice, the Holy Spirit can still lead us and direct us which way to go, what to do.

And all these supernatural miracles, signs and wonders, prophecies, words of knowledge, speaking in tongues, interpretations from God can still happen today, as you may have seen, read, heard some testimonies of God's great power and may have even experienced it for yourself.

There are fruits of the Holy Spirit: Galatians 5:22-23. It's been my experience that if you are filled with the Holy Spirit it comes with fruit. Some of my friends say they feel a peace from the Lord often, some say Joy. I notice Christ in me, and guides my thoughts and feelings as well as peace and some joy.

I've had a few messages from God and came with a massive amount of fruit.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Whoever says he is in the light, yet hates his brother, is still in the darkness.

Whoever loves his brother remains in the light, and there is nothing in him to cause a fall.

Peace!

People can fake love though. In fact, people can fake all the fruits...how do we spot a faker

 

[Philip James]

People can fake love though. In fact, people can fake all the fruits...how do we spot a faker

Is it our job to do so? God knows our hearts.

Peace!

 

[dev553344]

God can tell you if something is true or false

People can fake love though. In fact, people can fake all the fruits...how do we spot a faker

It's been my experience that you don't have to believe someone unless God tells you it's true thru the Holy Spirit: Matthew 16:17 . But I also don't want to be someone who doubts miracles and things revealed to the flesh. Like obvious healings. People denied Jesus' miracles and it was recorded negatively in the Bible.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Did you know that there is no such thing as a happy medium?

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]