What is "Amazing Grace"?

[Jay Ross]

Perhaps this: -

 

[Waiting on him]

What is this?

Romans 3:27-28 KJV
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Here Paul in my opinion explains boasting is excluded, because one can't boast of something thats origin isn't of them. This would be like me taking credit for the Mona Lisa just because I'd witnessed it?

 

[farouk]

Yes.
That is the final answer.
God began our salvation and God finishes our salvation.
If it was not ALL of God, He could not offer it as a GIFT.

"The GIFT of Salvation".

Excellent post; exactly what I think. Totally Scriptural.

 

[farouk]

Romans 3:27-28 KJV
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Here Paul in my opinion explains boasting is excluded, because one can't boast of something thats origin isn't of them. This would be like me taking credit for the Mona Lisa just because I'd witnessed it?

Great post there, @Waiting on him Ephesians 2.8-9 is a famous passage that expresses it similarly and comparably.

 

[Behold]

He goes on further to explain that he doesn't frustrate this, his faith is a work of God.

Dial it in even more....

Paul said......(watch this)....>"i do not Frustrate the GRACE of God".
See that part,????? that this the key to the verse. As that is the verse's warning to YOU.
As wrong believing IS to frustrate God's Grace.
When you do that you become "fallen from Grace" and are "in the Flesh".

To frustate God's Grace is to substitute any type of "religious works, self effort", situation to try to ither stay saved or be accepted by God.
If you believe you can "lose your salvation" then you DO NOT Trust GOD's GRACE to keep you saved, and so = you are frustrating God's GRACE.

Here is how a heretic sounds who is " FRUSTRATING GOD's GRACE".... """yes i know that Jesus saved me, but now i have to....do this....and do that.....and do that.....and i have to be careful not to do that, and if i get all that right till the END, then i get to go to heaven""""..
See that?
That is how you Frustrate God's Grace. You replace it with SELF SELF SELF SELF EFFORT.
Many on this forum, as shown in my Threads, are frustrating God's Grace.

 

[Waiting on him]

Great post there, @Waiting on him Ephesians 2.8-9 is a famous passage that expresses it similarly and comparably.

Excellent! Couldn't be any clearer.

 

[farouk]

Dial it in even more....

Paul said......(watch this)....>"i do not Frustrate the GRACE of God".
See that part,????? that this the key to the verse. As that is the verse's warning to YOU.
As wrong believing IS to frustrate God's Grace.
When you do that you become "fallen from Grace" and are "in the Flesh".

To frustate God's Grace is to substitute any type of "religious works, self effort", situation to try to ither stay saved or be accepted by God.
If you believe you can "lose your salvation" then you DO NOT Trust GOD's GRACE to keep you saved, and you are frustrating God's GRACE.

Here is how a heretic sounds who is " FRUSTRATING GOD's GRACE".... "yes i know that Jesus saved me, but now i have to....do this....and do that.....and do that.....and i have to be careful not to do that, and if i get all that right till the END, then i get to go to heaven"..
See that?
That is how you Frustrate God's Grace. You replace it with SELF SELF SELF SELF EFFORT.
Many on this forum, as shown in my Threads, are frustrating God's Grace.

I don't believe the true believer ever loses his or her salvation.

 

[farouk]

He goes on further to explain that he doesn't frustrate this, his faith is a work of God.

Yes, John 6 and Ephesians 2 seem to confirm that faith is indeed a work of God. As does Philippians 1.6.

 

[farouk]

" 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
'Twas grace my fears relieved.
How precious did that faith appear
The hour I first believed!"

 

[Episkopos]

t gives me a biblical opinion.

God called Ezekiel to be a watchman for the house of Israel; and He has called me to be a watchman on these boards; whether I am qualified or not.

However, I have heard it said that God does not call the qualified but He qualifies the called.

Therefore, because I am called, I am also qualified.

I don't see you being called to do that. I think you are learning doctrine...very slowly...because a humble person learns faster than one who thinks he's been specially appointed by God before he fully understands what the bible is testifying of.

 

[farouk]

Thanks for the 'like'; it really does express things well, that superb hymn...

 

[Waiting on him]

Dial it in even more....

Paul said......(watch this)....>"i do not Frustrate the GRACE of God".
See that part,????? that this the key to the verse. As that is the verse's warning to YOU.
As wrong believing IS to frustrate God's Grace.
When you do that you become "fallen from Grace" and are "in the Flesh".

To frustate God's Grace is to substitute any type of "religious works, self effort", situation to try to ither stay saved or be accepted by God.
If you believe you can "lose your salvation" then you DO NOT Trust GOD's GRACE to keep you saved, and so = you are frustrating God's GRACE.

Here is how a heretic sounds who is " FRUSTRATING GOD's GRACE".... """yes i know that Jesus saved me, but now i have to....do this....and do that.....and do that.....and i have to be careful not to do that, and if i get all that right till the END, then i get to go to heaven""""..
See that?
That is how you Frustrate God's Grace. You replace it with SELF SELF SELF SELF EFFORT.
Many on this forum, as shown in my Threads, are frustrating God's Grace.

I do have to admit for some time I did frustrate this, I believe theres a process from being saved to becoming a son. You may disagree, and that's ok because that's just been my walk.

 

[farouk]

I do have to admit for some time I did frustrate this, I believe theres a process from being saved to becoming a son. You may disagree, and that's ok because that's just been my walk.

We never cease to 'grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ' (2 Peter 3.18). I do think that at the point of regeneration it's where the great change takes place.

 

[Waiting on him]

Thanks for the 'like'; it really does express things well, that superb hymn...

Absolutely, this is a man pouring out his soul to the lord in gratification for a gift, I'm certain he knows wasn't generated within a wretch.

 

[Behold]

Heb 4:10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11, Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
.

Vs 10 says, (paraphrase)...... the one who entered into the REST, has stopped working.....

vs 11 says, to labor to enter into the rest....... and to fail to do this "labor" is = "unbelief".

So, how do you rest, yet labor, and the labor if failed..... is unbelief?

Its found in the idea, the context of the verse which is to understand the WORK that is the LABOR.

Most self savors, read this verse as...>>"i get to heaven by enduring to the end, (labor) and by keeping commandments, etc".
This means they are trying to do THEIR WORK...to get into Heaven. THEIR LABOR.
But this fails, because the verse defines the actual failure of the "labor" as UNBELIEF.

So, that is easily understood if you know what the verse is that is the missing link that allows you to understand why its a certain TYPE of Labor....that is not a person's self effort, that achieves= the "REST" from labor..

So, what work do we do, that is BELIEF based, that attains the REST, that is eternal life.?

Its this.....

We are to do the work or LABOR that GOD requires to achieve the "REST", as the end result. = SALVATION.

Its This verse..

"The WORK OF GOD< is that YOU BELIEVE (labor) on the ONE WHOM HE SENT".


So, there you see the WORK or the Labor, that GOD is talking about, which it to BELIEVE ON JESUS.

That is the (Spiritual) LABOR that Hebrews 4:11 is talking about that achieves the "REST", (Born Again). (Salvation).

 

[Waiting on him]

We never cease to 'grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ' (2 Peter 3.18). I do think that at the point of regeneration it's where the great change takes place.

Absolutely although a son at that time I believe we have yet to learn the love of our father.

 

[farouk]

Absolutely although a son at that time I believe we have yet to learn the love of our father.

"O may these hallowed pages be
My ever dear delight!
And still new beauties may I see,
And still increasing light!"

(Anne Steele, born 18th century)

 

[Behold]

I don't believe the true believer ever loses his or her salvation.

Salvation is the Blood of Jesus, that is applied to you by God.
How can you get rid of the Blood of Jesus?
How can you stop God from living inside you? "Temple of the Holy Spirit".

God is not going anywhere.
But you are... You've going to Heaven, if you are born again.

 

[Behold]

"O may these hallowed pages be
My ever dear delight!
And still new beauties may I see,
And still increasing light!"

(Anne Steele, born 18th century)

Nothing can my sin erase
Nothing but the blood of Jesus
Naught of works, ’tis all of Grace
Nothing but the blood of Jesus

-Robert Lowry

 

[Behold]

I do have to admit for some time I did frustrate this, I believe theres a process from being saved to becoming a son. You may disagree, and that's ok because that's just been my walk.

Salvation is all about Faith.
Faith is something you can't see.
WE, people, go by our EYES, and our point of view.
Giving all that up, is ""working out your salvation"". = WE have to come into agreement with God's perspective.
We have to learn to see ourselves as we are born again become, as a "new creation". "in Christ"

Believers SEE their "sin" and God sees Jesus's Blood.
When we learn to SEE that, we have started to have Real Faith.

Our natural mind rejects God's Grace, because we want to ether be a part of our own redemption (self righteousness), or we have condemnation issues that tend to force us to have great difficulty BELIEVING that a Holy God could create Salvation, ONLY... so that its a Gift.
We tend to FEEL like this can't be right, as ...how can we deserve such a Gift?
Well, we dont deserve it.
But God's Love does not require us to deserve it or earn it or try to keep it.
Unconditional Love.. God IS Love ... offers unconditional Salvation, because Salvation is what JESUS has accomplished......for us.
We RECEIVE IT.....we don't do it. JESUS DID IT.
If our performance was necessary to keep it, then It would not be God's Love that accepts us, and Salvation would not be a Gift.