The New Birth: Born Again

[Taken]

The New Birth: Born Again
OP ^

John 3:
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To Enter the kingdom of God;
Two Births Are Required.
To Effect a birth, a SEED is Required.
To Effect Two Births Two Seeds are Required.
1) First Birth Required-
* SEED is mans Sperm
* SEED is planted
* Natural Birth springs Forth out of Water
2) Second Birth Required-
* SEED is Gods Seed
* Gods SEED is planted
* Supernatural Birth Springs Forth out of the spirit.

Without a Natural Live Birth; a living man does not exist....and obviously can not therefore Die, without having Been ALIVE and thus can NOT Become Born Again Spiritually.

Without a Supernatural Birth; a man can not Enter into the kingdom of God.

Dipping a man in a pool of water is not a human man's First birth.

Water is a historical method of washing of the external body. External water neither Births a human or forgives a man of Sin.

It is Jesus' Blood that Washes away a man's sin....not Water.

Glory to God,
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[Taken]

Brother, that has been discussed ad infinitum but you are going to find what others have found and that is there are people who will deny any need for water baptism, let alone speaking in tongues.

True.
If water baptism was Required...how did one man, without a water baptism, hanging next to Jesus, go to Paradise?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

True.
If water baptism was Required...how did one man, without a water baptism, hanging next to Jesus, go to Paradise?

Glory to God,
Taken

Yet water baptism is important, and our Lord Jesus set the example for us. The malefactor on the cross didn't have the opportunity to get baptized, so our Lord Jesus is able to save also without water baptism. Someone on their deathbed just before they die that has a change of heart and believes would also be in that same situation.

But for the rest of us that do have the opportunity to get baptized in water, we have no excuse, and our Lord Jesus expects us to do it. It's not something for those who are able to be lazy with. During Stalinist Russia, believers would go out and baptize in secret in ice cold water.

 

[Taken]

Yet water baptism is important, and our Lord Jesus set the example for us. The malefactor on the cross didn't have the opportunity to get baptized, so our Lord Jesus is able to save also without water baptism. Someone on their deathbed just before they die that has a change of heart and believes would also be in that same situation.

But for the rest of us that do have the opportunity to get baptized in water, we have no excuse, and our Lord Jesus expects us to do it. It's not something for those who are able to be lazy with. During Stalinist Russia, believers would go out and baptize in secret in ice cold water.

If that was an Expectation of the Lord, why did Simon Peter (who personally knew Jesus face to face) neglect that important aspect, and instead Teach Baptism in Jesus' Name?

Acts 2:

1. [38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and bebaptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
2. [41] Then they that gladly received his word werebaptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Nancy]

The New Birth: Born Again
OP ^

John 3:
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To Enter the kingdom of God;
Two Births Are Required.
To Effect a birth, a SEED is Required.
To Effect Two Births Two Seeds are Required.
1) First Birth Required-
* SEED is mans Sperm
* SEED is planted
* Natural Birth springs Forth out of Water
2) Second Birth Required-
* SEED is Gods Seed
* Gods SEED is planted
* Supernatural Birth Springs Forth out of the spirit.

Without a Natural Live Birth; a living man does not exist....and obviously can not therefore Die, without having Been ALIVE and thus can NOT Become Born Again Spiritually.

Without a Supernatural Birth; a man can not Enter into the kingdom of God.

Dipping a man in a pool of water is not a human man's First birth.

Water is a historical method of washing of the external body. External water neither Births a human or forgives a man of Sin.

It is Jesus' Blood that Washes away a man's sin....not Water.

Glory to God,
Taken

THANK YOU!!! everyone I tell this to still think I'm just talking out my ear! They all think it means is water baptism!
Nothing at all even about "baptism" in those verses and, the first birth is just that, born from flesh and blood...

 

[CharismaticLady]

My previous post 21 outlines the meaning of the cloven tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2 to show it was dialects of languages the peoples heard the Apostles speak, not some gibberish unknown tongue. Now because I won't play your silly game, you falsely claim I don't have the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit'? Your words are that of a charlatan, a fake, a troll, may God rebuke you.

Your hatred and contempt and total misunderstanding of God's Word shows me your fruit and of what spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It was NOT gibberish, not even for a second. The Acts 2 chapter is clear, those present heard in their OWN DIALECTS of their languages of birth! You can keep denying that in favor of a gibberish unknown tongue that is not in God's Word, but you will be going against God's Word in Acts 2.



That is some more of that false traditions of men junk they have taught you, that idea is not written in Acts 2 at all. That is pure supposition. EVERYONE present heard them speak in their OWN dialect of their language of birth. That is what the Greek of Acts 2 shows, as I have already proven in my post #21.



Again, what the peoples (from many different nations) heard were their own languages of birth, and THAT is why they thought it strange how Galilaeans were able to speak their dialects fluently:

Acts 2:6-8
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, "Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
KJV




That idea of Christ comes TWICE after His resurrection is NOT written anywhere in God's Word. Once again you have succumbed to men's traditions, which is NOT a show that you listen to The Holy Spirit. Jesus returns only ONCE, and it is immediately after the tribulation like He said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

You keep writing it correctly, but don't grasp what HEARD means. The Holy Spirit could allow you to understand, but you won't allow Him in. The carnal you believes it was natural hearing and can't grasp it was supernatural. Both the speaking AND the hearing were supernatural which is why the mockers couldn't understand and thought they were drunk/gibberish.

 

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THANK YOU!!! everyone I tell this to still think I'm just talking out my ear! They all think it means is water baptism!
Nothing at all even about "baptism" in those verses and, the first birth is just that, born from flesh and blood...

Jesus was Explicit ... and it had nothing to do with water.

Luke 12:
[50] But I have a baptism to be baptized with;

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Joseph77]

If water baptism was Required...how did one man, without a water baptism, hanging next to Jesus, go to Paradise?

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[BGR]

Without a Natural Live Birth; a living man does not exist....and obviously can not therefore Die, without having Been ALIVE and thus can NOT Become Born Again Spiritually.

Exactly. why would Jesus need to tell Nicodemus something that EVERYONE has obviously done.

 

[BGR]

If water baptism was Required...how did one man, without a water baptism, hanging next to Jesus, go to Paradise?

The New testament Church was born in Acts chapter two. Everyone previous to that was saved through the Old Testament, which includes the thief.

 

[Joseph77]

Exactly. why would Jesus need to tell Nicodemus something that EVERYONE has obviously done.

And wasn't Nicodemus a teacher in the land ? An educated one ?

Yet remember that what Jesus told Him, is today little understood at all, anywhere, and even less practi ed/lived. Again it is the educated ones who question Jesus' Word TODAY, and they don't understand, or they do understand but being unwilling to give up the approval of their peers, because they love the approval of men more than the approval of God. (we all must give up the approval of men, and seek only God's Approval, as written) .

 

[BGR]

Brother, that has been discussed ad infinitum but you are going to find what others have found and that is there are people who will deny any need for water baptism, let alone speaking in tongues.

Yes I see that. Thanks for the heads up.
They are certainly free to deny it if they so choose, but they will be without excuse on that great day. The very least they have heard the truth.

I know this is not a popular message, but it is a necessary one. Folks are on the wide broad path that leads them to destruction. It is obvious that this is a very narrow message and few will except it.


Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

But wait, it gets more narrow...

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Some folks will only go so far, just to where they're comfortable, and that's it.

 

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The Death of Jesus … 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
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The Death of Jesus
…52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. 54When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.”…
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What Is the Resurrection of the Dead, and Who Will Be ...
www1 . cbn.com/questions/resurrection-dead-who-first
The apostle Paul says that those who are alive will not be resurrected ahead of those who sleep (see 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). So those who are dead will rise first, followed by those who remain ...

Dead iN Christ, then those Alive IN Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Exactly. why would Jesus need to tell Nicodemus something that EVERYONE has obviously done.

Every Natural birth has been a life birth?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The New testament Church was born in Acts chapter two. Everyone previous to that was saved through the Old Testament, which includes the thief.

The thief expressed belief in Jesus by saying ONE particular word Directly to Jesus.

Luke 23:
[42] And he said unto Jesus, ... Lord ... remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

If that was an Expectation of the Lord, why did Simon Peter (who personally knew Jesus face to face) neglect that important aspect, and instead Teach Baptism in Jesus' Name?

Acts 2:

1. [38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and bebaptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
2. [41] Then they that gladly received his word werebaptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Glory to God,
Taken

That command accompanies the act of water baptism. That is what Peter was telling them to do. There is no reason to exclude it there.

 

[Taken]

That command accompanies the act of water baptism. That is what Peter was telling them to do. There is no reason to exclude it there.

So you believe. I don't.

The Scripture says nothing about water.
However the Scripture is explicit...those who received the Word with Gladness...were Baptized.

Jesus has a Baptism...it's the Holy Spirit.
His own Disciples that Jesus Sent out to Teach all received the Holy Spirit in a building.
Not a word is said about Water.

Water Baptism is a man's method for Joining a man-made Church.
Christ has a different Baptism for Joining His Church.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Joseph77]

So you believe. I don't.

May or may not be out of context:

They were condemned already (while still alive) for their unbelief.

 

[Joseph77]

Water Baptism is a man's method for Joining a man-made Church.

That's what it became largely worldwide after the enemy took over,
but that's not what is is in the NT.

See? That is a very important difference.