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I thought these were children of Ishmael.Esau's descendants were never blessed. Esau and his descendants were cursed before Esau even exited the womb.
As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” [Romans 9:13]
Esau's progeny? Western Saudi Arabia, Mecca, Medina, the seat of the Great Harlot, the seat of Satan! Their end, is total destruction.
The clash between Esau and Jacob is still playing out. God's plan continues to move forward. The problem started earlier, of course, with the fall of Adam. Edom is spelled the same way in Hebrew. The Edomites took on worst attributes of the Adamic offspring while Israel (foreknown by God) took on the best."For My sword is satiated in heaven,
Behold it shall descend for judgment upon Edom [Esau]
And upon the people whom I have devoted to destruction
For the Lord has a day of vengeance,
A year of recompense for the cause of Zion.
Its streams will be turned into pitch,
And its loose earth into brimstone,
And its land will become burning pitch.
It will not be quenched night or day;
Its smoke will go up forever.
From generation to generation it will be desolate;
None will pass through it forever and ever."
Isaiah 34:8
... a plan that sends most to the lake of fire. Including all who deny Jesus.
It is Establishing who IS worthy to MAKE Judgements.
Judgements BY "Saints"...
Establishes...a Right/Correct/Good Judgement, by one (a Saint) who Judges By the Lords Truth/Spirit, that is Within the man.
(It's like the meaning of pure love...doing what is Right regardless of the consequences)
1 Cor 6:
[2] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?
Glory to God,
Taken
The one who posted before me, the one who liked your post, already has been warned by God's Messengers ('angels' if allowed), about repenting, and has refused as far as known.What's this have to do with Angels visiting?
The one who posted before me, the one who liked your post, already has been warned by God's Messengers ('angels' if allowed), about repenting, and has refused as far as known.
The angels of God are ministering for our sakes, and as in Scripture have warned as well as delivered messages.
When they are ignored, when Jesus is denied, the result is the lake of fire.
Read the Bible and see. Pray to the Father for His View and see. All of His Word, all of His Angels, all of His messages, all of all that Jesus ever did and does and will do, is in perfect harmony.If you can prove the messages are from legitimate Gods Angels, sure maybe.
Sure you can ask Jesus about salvation for yourself, but I don't believe that Jesus will discuss someone elses salvation with you unless it's just for you to pray he will save them. And that's where it ends.Read the Bible and see. Pray to the Father for His View and see. All of His Word, all of His Angels, all of His messages, all of all that Jesus ever did and does and will do, is in perfect harmony.
Jesus says the Father delights to reveal salvation to little children.
Jesus told the followers: anyone who wants to be saved must be becoming like little children.
So test everything as Jesus says - seek the truth, seek the Father, seek His Kingdom and His Righteousness, as the Father always keeps His Word, is always truth.
Those who reject Jesus, they lose. Though Jesus could have saved them, if they do not repent, they perish.
Read the Scriptures instead of continuing in unbelief.Sure you can ask Jesus about salvation for yourself, but I don't believe that Jesus will discuss someone elses salvation with you unless it's just for you to pray he will save them. And that's where it ends.
Read the Scriptures instead of continuing in unbelief.
Whenever someone with a false gospel , or even just a false teaching, comes to the assembly, they are not to be permitted to teach it.
This is clear throughout all OT and NT.
Were mistakes made in Scripture ? Did false teachings and false teachers happen anyway ?
Yes.
Today too.
And how to deal with them is clearly described in the Scripture - NOT to allow them to continue... and HOW to deal with them.
If true, I expect you yes, to read the Scripture. I simply posted what Scripture says. If I give any verses , too often they are met with trampling underfoot on this forum, instead of belief and testing and checking to see if it is Scripture.I'm not in unbelief of God, just your teachings, I find that you shoot from the hip instead of backing your views up with scripture, which is sketchy at best. Thanks but I've been on too many of these forums to just trust what people say, I need to read it and interpret it for myself. Then I'll believe.
If you do this, based on what God says in Scripture about never having private interpretation for ones self, then you will not believe what God says - same as most religious people on earth (billions of lost souls) .I need to read it and interpret it for myself.
If true, I expect you yes, to read the Scripture. I simply posted what Scripture says. If I give any verses , too often they are met with trampling underfoot on this forum, instead of belief and testing and checking to see if it is Scripture.
So people go for themselves and find out if it is Scripture, then they believe.
That is how it is.
I have no teachings not in harmony with all Scripture. Everything I post is verifiable with Scripture.
Very different than most threads and posts that are opposed to all Scripture. (and they give references as if to defend their positions, but still they oppose Scripture, walking in darkness; or they claim another authority instead of Scripture, such as tradition, and prefer man's tradition to Scripture, thus disobeying God and God's Word) .
Why argue at all ?Unless you're giving that as a reason to not listen to other peoples interpretations of scripture. You seem pretty set in your ways. Pretty sure about your beliefs. I won't try to argue with you much as I see no point in it. You say you have no teachings not in harmony with all scripture, and that's the answer I expect from everyone on this forum, yet we all disagree?
Why argue at all ?
Did the Apostles seem to you to be sure of their faith ? Did the disciples who walked with Jesus, daily, in union with Jesus daily, who had continual peace and joy and righteousness ? were they sure of their salvation - and still also daily checked one another as a safe-guard in case anyone of them started to be deceived by sin ?
Why would you argue ? What would be the point of arguing ?
As for many on the forum - many have already said in their posts they do not accept nor agree with Scripture, or plainly stated things directly contrary to Scripture - which is a sign of no good.(you know this , right?) ...
No, we all do not have to disagree. There are those who agree entirely with God's Word, and are one in Him, just as there were those in the New Testament who were one, all together sharing everything in common, spontaneously - not as if by having been given orders to do so, in their obedience joyfully to the Father in heaven . While this is rare and not seen by most people, (it never was seen by most people , per se, but only those as written, and to whom it happened, and those in the area who witnessed it) ...
Concerning 'what to expect', from He Who Rules the Angels and sends them to rescue or to protect us (they(God's Angels) never do something on their own initiative ) - they are always acting under orders....I remember reading something about Angel visits to people in the bible. Do Angels still visit people, and if so what should you expect,
Yes, they are here. The accident that I was in on December 27, 2009, an angel had to pull me back in the vehicle. I had been sliding left; roll crushed left arm, next roll crushed my head. Thing is, the SUV just didn't stop rolling on it's own, it hit a concrete wall on the left side, and slid down the wall on this massive hill. Insurance sent pictures, it looks like a giant hand just ripped through the left side; the drivers door was torn off. The arm was a open fracture grade 3, the only thing worse would have been to damage the artery, and the left temporal bone in the skull was destroyed. It takes at the least 1875 lbs to fracture it. I am alert, all of me is inside away from the door before that hit, and parts of me have decorated the interior of the vehicle after being thrown completely inside with force. That interior pretty much sealed the deal on them being 100% sure someone else was with me. I can't stop head and arm from being crushed, but suddenly can get a arm missing bones, and head missing the eye socket back in a split second later? No possible way. Barnes Jewish hospital was able to get a hold of my mom, and she was there by the time that I woke. I am so glad that I was not able to contact anyone, just was not time. Anyway, a doctor called the police for mom; she was going to get my things from the SUV, but she was not allowed anywhere near it because of the interior. I am thinking a bunch of people thought about God those 4 days before I left. I pray that they did anyway.I remember reading something about Angel visits to people in the bible. Do Angels still visit people, and if so what should you expect, etc. I want this to be an education thread where I and others can learn more about this Theology.
I'll just add that I know of an Angel opening the prison gate (Acts of the Apostles 5:19-20) and also one with countenance of lightning rolling back the door to Jesus tomb (Matthew 28:1-3) and apparently Angels make earthquakes?
Thanks,
Devin