Jesus Is God Of OT -- God Is (.......) and Jesus Is (......) BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE (......)

[Waiting on him]

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would you put the question in context / with/ specifically what you are asking about ?

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Would you quote the passage ? (in context in your own translation)

Matthew 3:16-17 KJV
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I see here that Jesus heard this voice but who else?

 

[Joseph77]

Who told you He's the Christ?

Who told me what ? Who told me Jesus is the Messiah , son of the Living God ?

The Only One Who Is Able To: the Father in Heaven.

Same Always.

Same as Yeshua told Simon barjona.

 

[Waiting on him]

Who told me what ? Who told me Jesus is the Messiah , son of the Living God ?

The Only One Who Is Able To: the Father in Heaven.

Same Always.

Same as Yeshua told Simon barjona.

Would you consider answering post 161?

 

[Joseph77]

Would you consider answering post 161?

For a while now
I've been looking thru the equivalent of 40,000 pages of ..... information about that question...

could you narrow down the parameters ? Such as the reason for wanting to know - the potential importance of it .... and if you think the routine / regular answers are in error ?

 

[Phoneman777]

Adam was God in the flesh, man where do you get your tall tales from. When God said I am, He said, I exist. I can too say I am, because I too exist as can anyone, but we cannot say we are, because we are not, but we are supposed to be like His Son, Jesus.

What tall tales? Did I not provide citations for each of charlatan Copeland's blasphemous statements?

 

[Phoneman777]

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply. second Jesus is in both heaven and earth and in between, for in Spriit he is omnipresent. at his baptism, in apperance, not in manifestation, but in apperance as the ordinal "First", he is in "likeness" as a dove, (whom you calls the Holy Spirit). in "MANIFESTATION", he, Jesus is the ordinal "Last" as a Man. supportive scripture to back this up, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth in flesh and bones with blood he, the Lord Jesus, the ordinal LAST was on earth, and was in the water at his baptism, while talking to Nicodemus on earth, at the same time he was in Heaven as the ordinal "First", and everywhere else. so that covers the Lord Jesus, on Earth, as the ordinal Last in the water being baptized by John, and it covers the LORD Jesus, the ordinal FIRST, his omnipresent in heaven and in between and anywhere else too. NOW THE VOICE "FROM" HEAVEN. is this the Father's voice as so many assume? if so, post book, chapter, and verse that states that this was the Father's voice from heaven here at the baptism of our Lord Jesus by John. and then we can put to rest any nonesense of assumption... that this is the Father's voice here at the baptism. so if you have scripture stating that this voice from heaven is the Father's voice please post it, it's just that simple. see when someone assume, and "ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD, THEY PUT THE NOOSE AROUNF THEIR OWN NECKS". now listen carefully to the scripture, Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

now if you cannot produce the scripture, then you will know for yourself, without a doubt, that there is no trinity, and that you been lied to on someones else assumption.

we suggest you re-read this post for clarity.

PICJAG.

The only "trinity" teaching I'm aware of is the false "Catholic Trinity" which is exactly what you are teaching - that there is only ONE divine Person. The Bible is clear that there are "THREE that bear record in heaven", and your teaching discounts that verse. The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit are Three that are One, says the apostle John - Three divine Persons of the Godhead which comprise One and only One God.

Yes, Jesus did say while on Earth that He was "in heaven"..and rightly so, seeing that He - speaking as God - said, "I and My Father are One", meaning "One in agreement, One in authority, One in purpose, One in existence", all of which does not demand the idea of "One Person". He said, "You have One Father, which is in heaven" - yet - Jesus was to be called "everlasting Father", right? In this way, the Person Jesus was "in heaven" with the Person of the Father, while manifested in flesh as He told the people to never call anyone "Father"...which those in Rome who teach the false idea of "Trinity" fully encourage their faithful to do.

 

[mjrhealth]

What tall tales? Did I not provide citations for each of charlatan Copeland's blasphemous statements?

Sorry dont follow after men or there religions.

 

[Phoneman777]

The same, yesterday, today and forever...He changes not :) I once asked a friend who attends my assembly about what she thought about something I was ruminating on at the time, and she said to me, "The Old Testament??!! We don't need that anymore and it's so violent anyhow" And that is not the only time I heard that kind of thing. Wow...they have no idea!
Good post.

One of the most touching love stories in all the Bible is found in Hosea. A young prophet is just starting out and looking for a nice girl - a virgin if you will - to walk with him through his ministry...and the Word of the Lord comes to him and tells him to go and marry a PROSTITUTE. Of all the young girls to choose from in Judea, he's told to marry the worst kind of all. But, God has reasons, many of which He keeps to Himself.

So, he marries Gomer, and gives her his good name, and a good home, and the love of a good husband...despite the fact that he is keenly aware that tongues from the coasts of Lebanon to the mountains of Ararat were wagging. "Well, well,chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild....did you hear about that preacher who married a PROSTITUTE???!!!"

She settles down well and eventually bears him children...but after a while, she starts feeling the pull of her old life...and decides to turn her back on a good man like so many women do today, and turn back to her old trade in flesh. She goes back to her old lovers and leaves Hosea devastated with his heart all broken in pieces. Read it in there. He tells his children to go to her, tell her that he still loves her and for her to come back home. And after a time, he hears that she's fallen on hard times and is to be sold as a slave at auction.

Now, if Hosea were anything like most men, he would have said, "GOOD...SHE MADE HER BED HARD, NOW LET HER LIE IN IT." And while he was, perhaps, tempted with that, the Word of the Lord once again comes to him and says, "Hosea, I want you to go down to that auction...and when the bidding starts, I want you to bid on her...and no one must outbid you, so take PLENTY money with you." So, Hosea goes down to the auction and as the bidding starts, that miserable filthy woman in tattered soiled clothes with her dirty hair all fallen down to hide her shameful face hears a familiar voice...she brushes it aside and looks out in the crowd to see her faithful husband trying to outbid all those other men...men who would force themselves on her and abuse her terribly. Each time they raise the bid, Hosea voice is heard again and again. Eventually, the auctioneer says, "Going once.....going twice....SOLD TO THAT PREACHER OVER THERE."

And after payment is made and the transaction complete, Hosea walks up to Gomer and he reaches a hand out to her. He doesn't grab her roughly and drag her away in her shame...but with a smile, he puts a loving arm around her and gently leads her down off the auction block and they turn their steps and start back toward their home.

And then God says to Hosea, "I WANT YOU TO TELL ISRAEL THAT THAT'S THE WAY I AM! TELL THEM I STILL LOVE THEM! TELL THEM TO TURN BACK UNTO ME, FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU! TELL THEM TO TURN AWAY FROM THEIR SINS AND TURN BACK TO ME I WILL FORGIVE THEM FREELY!

(Yeah, sure, it's not word for word :cool: but if you look with the eye of faith, you can see that every bit of it is right there in what is perhaps one of the most poignant love stories ever told.)

 

[Nancy]

One of the most touching love stories in all the Bible is found in Hosea. A young prophet is just starting out and looking for a nice girl - a virgin if you will - to walk with him through his ministry...and the Word of the Lord comes to him and tells him to go and marry a PROSTITUTE. Of all the young girls to choose from in Judea, he's told to marry the worst kind of all. But, God has reasons, many of which He keeps to Himself.

So, he marries Gomer, and gives her his good name, and a good home, and the love of a good husband...despite the fact that he is keenly aware that tongues from the coasts of Lebanon to the mountains of Ararat were wagging. "Well, well,chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild....did you hear about that preacher who married a PROSTITUTE???!!!"

She settles down well and eventually bears him children...but after a while, she starts feeling the pull of her old life...and decides to turn her back on a good man like so many women do today, and turn back to her old trade in flesh. She goes back to her old lovers and leaves Hosea devastated with his heart all broken in pieces. Read it in there. He tells his children to go to her, tell her that he still loves her and for her to come back home. And after a time, he hears that she's fallen on hard times and is to be sold as a slave at auction.

Now, if Hosea were anything like most men, he would have said, "GOOD...SHE MADE HER BED HARD, NOW LET HER LIE IN IT." And while he was, perhaps, tempted with that, the Word of the Lord once again comes to him and says, "Hosea, I want you to go down to that auction...and when the bidding starts, I want you to bid on her...and no one must outbid you, so take PLENTY money with you." So, Hosea goes down to the auction and as the bidding starts, that miserable filthy woman in tattered soiled clothes with her dirty hair all fallen down to hide her shameful face hears a familiar voice...she brushes it aside and looks out in the crowd to see her faithful husband trying to outbid all those other men...men who would force themselves on her and abuse her terribly. Each time they raise the bid, Hosea voice is heard again and again. Eventually, the auctioneer says, "Going once.....going twice....SOLD TO THAT PREACHER OVER THERE."

And after payment is made and the transaction complete, Hosea walks up to Gomer and he reaches a hand out to her. He doesn't grab her roughly and drag her away in her shame...but with a smile, he puts a loving arm around her and gently leads her down off the auction block and they turn their steps and start back toward their home.

And then God says to Hosea, "I WANT YOU TO TELL ISRAEL THAT THAT'S THE WAY I AM! TELL THEM I STILL LOVE THEM! TELL THEM TO TURN BACK UNTO ME, FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU! TELL THEM TO TURN AWAY FROM THEIR SINS AND TURN BACK TO ME I WILL FORGIVE THEM FREELY!

(Yeah, sure, it's not word for word, but if you look with the eye of faith, you can see that every bit of it is right there in what is perhaps one of the most poignant love stories ever told.)

Yes, very good. I have recently read Hosea again. And I believe you are right, it is the best love story ever! God loves, warts and all. And He goes to crazy lengths to let us know that. Thanks for the 'review' :)

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes, very good. I have recently read Hosea again. And I believe you are right, it is the best love story ever! God loves, warts and all. And He goes to crazy lengths to let us know that. Thanks for the 'review' :)

Anytime, darlin :)

 

[farouk]

One of the most touching love stories in all the Bible is found in Hosea. A young prophet is just starting out and looking for a nice girl - a virgin if you will - to walk with him through his ministry...and the Word of the Lord comes to him and tells him to go and marry a PROSTITUTE. Of all the young girls to choose from in Judea, he's told to marry the worst kind of all. But, God has reasons, many of which He keeps to Himself.

So, he marries Gomer, and gives her his good name, and a good home, and the love of a good husband...despite the fact that he is keenly aware that tongues from the coasts of Lebanon to the mountains of Ararat were wagging. "Well, well,chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiild....did you hear about that preacher who married a PROSTITUTE???!!!"

She settles down well and eventually bears him children...but after a while, she starts feeling the pull of her old life...and decides to turn her back on a good man like so many women do today, and turn back to her old trade in flesh. She goes back to her old lovers and leaves Hosea devastated with his heart all broken in pieces. Read it in there. He tells his children to go to her, tell her that he still loves her and for her to come back home. And after a time, he hears that she's fallen on hard times and is to be sold as a slave at auction.

Now, if Hosea were anything like most men, he would have said, "GOOD...SHE MADE HER BED HARD, NOW LET HER LIE IN IT." And while he was, perhaps, tempted with that, the Word of the Lord once again comes to him and says, "Hosea, I want you to go down to that auction...and when the bidding starts, I want you to bid on her...and no one must outbid you, so take PLENTY money with you." So, Hosea goes down to the auction and as the bidding starts, that miserable filthy woman in tattered soiled clothes with her dirty hair all fallen down to hide her shameful face hears a familiar voice...she brushes it aside and looks out in the crowd to see her faithful husband trying to outbid all those other men...men who would force themselves on her and abuse her terribly. Each time they raise the bid, Hosea voice is heard again and again. Eventually, the auctioneer says, "Going once.....going twice....SOLD TO THAT PREACHER OVER THERE."

And after payment is made and the transaction complete, Hosea walks up to Gomer and he reaches a hand out to her. He doesn't grab her roughly and drag her away in her shame...but with a smile, he puts a loving arm around her and gently leads her down off the auction block and they turn their steps and start back toward their home.

And then God says to Hosea, "I WANT YOU TO TELL ISRAEL THAT THAT'S THE WAY I AM! TELL THEM I STILL LOVE THEM! TELL THEM TO TURN BACK UNTO ME, FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU! TELL THEM TO TURN AWAY FROM THEIR SINS AND TURN BACK TO ME I WILL FORGIVE THEM FREELY!

(Yeah, sure, it's not word for word :cool: but if you look with the eye of faith, you can see that every bit of it is right there in what is perhaps one of the most poignant love stories ever told.)

It's wonderfully humbling to read, and shows how wondrous the grace of God is in the Gospel; it also cuts right through the divorce and remarriage culture of North America and superficial religiosity.

 

[101G]

The only "trinity" teaching I'm aware of is the false "Catholic Trinity" which is exactly what you are teaching - that there is only ONE divine Person. The Bible is clear that there are "THREE that bear record in heaven", and your teaching discounts that verse.

GINOLJC, to all.
first, thanks for the reply, second, there are not three person that bare record in heaven. no. what you should do is read the verse with the Holy Spirit first before you become ashame for not studying. 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." the terms, "Father", "Word", and "Holy Ghost", are only titles, and the appellative of God. again TITLES are not persons. lets break it down. "and these three are one." now if the scripture whould have said, "and they three are one". that would have indicated persons. we all could have packed our bags and go home. but no, the SCRIPTURES said, "and these three are one." THESE, are not persons, see how clear the scriptures make it known that "THESE", ... TITLES are ONE PERSON in Heaven. that's why the scriptures also say, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." you didn't rightly divide the word of truth, and now your persons are clearly titles. so reprove #1.

Yes, Jesus did say while on Earth that He was "in heaven"..and rightly so, seeing that He - speaking as God - said, "I and My Father are One", meaning "One in agreement, One in authority, One in purpose, One in existence", all of which does not demand the idea of "One Person".

Another ERROR on your Part. listen Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
now Phoneman777, just using common sense, who is God's "ARM?" which is his "OWN" ARM. so who is God's "ARM". your answer please.

before we go any futher answer my question. I so read Isaiah 63:5 again before you answer. and then read Isaiah 53:1-9.

PICJAG.

 

[Phoneman777]

GINOLJC, to all.
first, thanks for the reply, second, there are not three person that bare record in heaven. no. what you should do is read the verse with the Holy Spirit first before you become ashame for not studying. 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." the terms, "Father", "Word", and "Holy Ghost", are only titles, and the appellative of God. again TITLES are not persons.

I have many titles myself: Father, Brother, Uncle, Fiber Optic Cable Splicer...but I'm still ONE person. "Titles" in and of themselves do not bear record of anything...the "title holder" is the one that bears a record, and 1 John 5:7 KJV is clear that there are "three" bearing record, which means three separate and distinct Persons, but one God.

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes, very good. I have recently read Hosea again. And I believe you are right, it is the best love story ever! God loves, warts and all. And He goes to crazy lengths to let us know that. Thanks for the 'review' :)

God's love is inexplicable, right? I pray He imparts to me that same kind of love for Him and others. You seem to do the same, darlin :)

 

[101G]

I have many titles myself: Father, Brother, Uncle, Fiber Optic Cable Splicer...but I'm still ONE person. "Titles" in and of themselves do not bear record of anything...the "title holder" is the one that bears a record, and 1 John 5:7 KJV is clear that there are "three" bearing record, which means three separate and distinct Persons, but one God.

GINOLJC, to all
#first thanks for the reply, second, the "ONE" title HOLDER of all three TITLES that one witness. ... :cool: THANK YOU, OUT OF THE MOUTH OF BABES. see Phoneman777, you answered your own question, ONE person, three titles, of that one PERSON. YOU JUST ELIMINATED THE THREE PERSONS, AND DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU JUST DID ... did you. there is only one witness in Heaven WHO HAVE THE THREE TITLES, listen John 8:18 "I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me." where was the FATHER? .... drum roll... "HEAVEN".. and where was Christ ... ON EARTH. BINGO.
see it now. listen very carefully, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." man oh man how easy it is to understand, ONE PERSON, diversified, holding three titles. the Holy Spirit is the Father who is the WORD, listen John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." the WORD is GOD.

now once again are person listen carefully titles?, 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." now as you said, titles don't witness, do water witness? or is water a person, how about blood is it a person. NO, spirit, water, and blood make up ONE PERSON. spirit, water/flesh, meaning a body, and blood, the life of the natural body equals a MAN, male or female, meaning ONE... 1 person... see Phoneman777, when the scriptures say "THESE" three are one, THESE, are titles. as said if the verse would have said, "THEY" are one then case closed. but NO, the scriptures said, "THESE", and not "THEY"... see your mistake.

but I love what you said, that "these" title don't witness... (smile). now Phoneman777 I want you to look at what you said, as a Father you witness... as a brother you witness, as a uncle you witness. now how many person is that? ONE... YOU, but you have many "TITLES". thank you Phoneman777 I will used that now.

thank you Lord Jesus, for allowing Phoneman777, to give me this great ammunition.

PICJAG.

 

[Phoneman777]

GINOLJC, to all
#first thanks for the reply, second, the "ONE" title HOLDER of all three TITLES that one witness. ... :cool:

1 John 5:7 KJV is clear that "three" are what bear the record in heaven. You say this refers to "three titles of one Person". This is nonsense.

A "title" does not bear a record, a person does.
A "title" does not bear testimony, a person does.
A "title" does not bear a statement, a person does.
A "title" does not bear an account, a person does.
A "title" does not bear witness, a person does.

"Titles" have to do with the "identity" of a Person. "Records" have to do with the "understanding" of a Person.

If you were on trial for murder and the only thing that could prove your innocence was a police officer's testimony, how would you feel if when they called the officer to testify, he approached the stand, tossed his badge into the witness chair, and walked away? As I said, it is Three Persons that comprise one Godhead.

 

[101G]

1 John 5:7 KJV is clear that "three" are what bear the record in heaven. You say this refers to "three titles of one Person". This is nonsense.

A "title" does not bear a record, a person does.
A "title" does not bear testimony, a person does.
A "title" does not bear a statement, a person does.
A "title" does not bear an account, a person does.
A "title" does not bear witness, a person does.

"Titles" have to do with the "identity" of a Person. "Records" have to do with the "understanding" of a Person.

If you were on trial for murder and the only thing that could prove your innocence was a police officer's testimony, how would you feel if when they called the officer to testify, he approached the stand, tossed his badge into the witness chair, and walked away? As I said, it is Three Persons that comprise one Godhead.

Thanks, for I completly understabd, you said, "Titles" have to do with the "identity" of a Person". a Person?, a person?, YES, glad you said that. couldn't have said it better myself. THE "WORD" a TITLE, the Person "JESUS". the Father a title, the Person, "JESUS". the Son a Title, the Person, "JESUS", great.

Phoneman777, I love posting with you, you just give me more ammunition. again, ONE PERSON, three titles. WONDERFUL,. just Wonderful.

kleep up the good work.

PICJAG.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thanks, for I completly understabd, you said, "Titles" have to do with the "identity" of a Person". a Person?, a person?, YES, glad you said that. couldn't have said it better myself. THE "WORD" a TITLE, the Person "JESUS". the Father a title, the Person, "JESUS". the Son a Title, the Person, "JESUS", great.

Phoneman777, I love posting with you, you just give me more ammunition. again, ONE PERSON, three titles. WONDERFUL,. just Wonderful.

kleep up the good work.

PICJAG.

Do you not understand the "process of elimination"?

In answer to your ridiculous argument that it is not "three Divine Persons" that bear record in heaven, but rather "three titles", I've eliminated "titles" from consideration in the search for who or what is accomplishing the record bearing by establishing irrefutably that titles cannot bear records - they have no tongue, vocal chords, or any other means of providing testimony.

Therefore, the "three" that are bearing record must be something other than titles, understand? You cannot claim "three titles of One Person bearing record" because "titles" have been disqualified and no amount of wrangling, spin, leaps in logic, or mental gymnastics can change that.

Furthermore, all that remains for consideration as to who or what is bearing record in heaven is: 1) that which is "three" in number, 2) that which is contextually accurate, and 3) that which is plainly stated in the text itself: the PERSON of the Father, the PERSON of the Son, and the PERSON of the Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons in number, One Godhead alone.

I see you ignored my question asking if you'd be satisfied if that police officer tossed his badge "title" on the witness stand instead of taking the stand in person, but we can just hear it now..."Judge! I need the officer to bear witness for me; his badge can't bear witness of anything!"

 

[Phoneman777]

In agreement, the Queen of England has many titles, but can only bear record of herself.
.

Precisely...only a PERSON can bear a record, and if John says there are "three that bear record", that means THREE PERSONS. I don't think English is that 101 dude's first language.

 

[101G]

In answer to your ridiculous argument that it is not "three Divine Persons" that bear record in heaven, but rather "three titles", I've eliminated "titles" from consideration in the search for who or what is accomplishing the record bearing by establishing irrefutably that titles cannot bear records - they have no tongue, vocal chords, or any other means of providing testimony.

first thanks for the reply, second, if my response was ridiculous then yours was ridiculous 2.0 my God did you know that a title cannot exist without a PERSON? ...... do you see your mistake now? a title cannot exist without a person, NOT on it's own. now that's ridiculous. do you see your mistake now?

look Phoneman777 you step into it and now you cannot get out, (so you're decieved into making excuses, titles don't witness, jusyt look at what you just said?). see you are getting deeper and deeper in to a lie which is no way out. we suggest before you get to deep in just stop, ok. reconsider what is said, and there is nothing worng with repenting. but to reject the truth and stay in a lie is even worest. READ Proverbs 16:18 please.

PICJAG.