Who is the son?

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Joseph77

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I have not changed what I believe because of "things". That would certainly be a carnal way to live for God, that would not please Him.
GOOD... partly....

It was unclear when you started supporting the heresy of the other one. (it is an old and known heresy to claim Jesus is not God) ....
 

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GOOD... partly....

It was unclear when you started supporting the heresy of the other one. (it is an old and known heresy to claim Jesus is not God) ....
I'll not carry that conversation over to here.
 

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You obviously are terribly allergic to Rev 3:12.

You need to take Dr. Truther's advice and inject it until you become immune and agree with it.
Why don't you tell us which parts of the Bible you believe. Which parts do you rip out? I believe all the Bible is the written Word of God.

2 Tim 3 All Scripture is God breathed ...

Are you "allergic" to this part?

Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 

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It's clear you reject the entire scripture.

If you can't explain it you are in some form of Biblical ignorance or heresy.

Fix it.
I fixed Rev 3:12.

I like you, fought it until I gave up.

Here is the fix....


My belief....

Jesus preexisted as a human in the mind of God, which is reality since there is no time in God. (Psalm 2, Psalm 22, Rev 13:8)

Jesus was born before Adam and any living thing.(Col 1).

Jesus resurrected before Lazarus etc.(Col 1).

God made all things by, through and for Jesus(Col 1).

Jesus was made human. (Hebrews 2, Phil 2, etc.)

Jesus was made per conception, beginning microscopic(Matt 1),

Jesus was full and led of the Holy Ghost (Luke 4:1).

The Holy Ghost left Jesus on the cross.(Matt 27).

He was resurrected by his God(John 20 etc).

He was made a quickening spirit after resurrecting(1 Cor 15).

All of his God fully indwells his quickening spirit body, meaning God is "housed" in the bodily omnipresent temple of His quickening spirit son.(Col 2:9).

Jesus still has a God today.(Rev 3:12).

Jesus, is God by default because his God is working and lighting the universe THROUGH him, bodily......


22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


Simply put, God is the electricity that powers His son(lamb) to light the world.
 

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Honestly you sound like a JW. You just pick the parts you like. You attack our Christian Bibles.
Not at all.

I just quote the tough stuff verbatim.

It is a gut punch to most, but if you stop resisting, you will figure it out.

Paul, John and Jesus etc. all taught Jesus actively has a God, yet Jesus himself is God somehow.

I fixed it....Christendom cannot.
 

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John 1 The Word was God.
The Word became flesh ...

God cannot stop being God and neither did He start being God.
No, the word was MADE flesh.(KJV).

The Spirit of God is a Spirit.

Who told you the Spirit became a man anyway?

Not Jesus....


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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Why don't you tell us which parts of the Bible you believe. Which parts do you rip out? I believe all the Bible is the written Word of God.

2 Tim 3 All Scripture is God breathed ...

Are you "allergic" to this part?

Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Dr. Truther loves it all.

I teach it cover to cover in 10, 1 hour lessons.

I perfectly understand it.
 

Joseph77

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Who's they?

Incarnationists?

By all means...
Are they competing with the publicans and demos ?

Those in power in any country or religion practically might simply have a way to do as they please to you.... even if they have to make up a story,

remember how horrible Jesus is (and was) treated in and by the world, even by His Own ,

and He said the same thing happens to us if we stand up for Truth.
 
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Joseph77

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You crossed the line....I have had enough of your harrassment and insults to my faith and my salvation.
Did you see amadeus reply - ?
It was no harrassment at all, nor insult to your faith (as long as you maintain your faith in Jesus as I believe you said you do) .

I posted that because you and amadeus seems to support today in your posts, and defending?, the one who is posting the arian heresy, I was not sure if you had changed over from faith to heresy or not - see?

If your faith is still in Jesus, as God Says, good and well.
 

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Did you see amadeus reply - ?
It was no harrassment at all, nor insult to your faith (as long as you maintain your faith in Jesus as I believe you said you do) .

I posted that because you and amadeus seems to support today in your posts, and defending?, the one who is posting the arian heresy, I was not sure if you had changed over from faith to heresy or not - see?

If your faith is still in Jesus, as God Says, good and well.
You could always ask and seek clarification.
 
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Joseph77

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The heresy posts and the defense of the heresy posts has been wide open for months or longer.

When someone supports the one posting the heresy posts, and before that they were seen as having true faith in Jesus, it is an obvious question as to why did they all of a sudden support or defend the heresy posts , right ?

Thus my posts tagging you , openly, to verify you maintain your own faith in Jesus, and NOT as it openly appeared that you were supporting the arian heresy.
 

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I've talked to many JW's. They ALWAYS attack our Christian Bibles. They try to rewrite them! Kingdom Hall has convinced JW's they are Greek and Hebrew experts.

Oh hush about attacking Bibles when almost everyone has been attacking the NWT since it was first produced. You think it's wrong for your Bibles to be attacked then stop being a hypocrite by stopping your attack on the NWT. Now I don't consider JW to be attacking your Bibles simply because they honestly believe that some scriptures are in error. That isn't attacking your Bible that's just disagreeing with how some of the scriptures are translated in said Bible. Now if you're saying disagreeing with how certain scriptures are translated in a Bible is attacking that Bible then you're attacking other people's Bible too. Now that's just hypocritical if you honestly believe disagreeing with how a certain Bible is translated is attacking that Bible because people disagree with how the NWT is translated. You show how unreasonable you are.

The thing about experts even when it comes to theologians and translaters of the scriptures is a lot of the times when you have certain versions of a Bible there are scriptures in different versions that are not translated exactly the same yet all these translaters are considered to be experts. I decide what version of the Bible I'm going to use to read and study. I don't allow people to dictate to me which Bible I use. You can disagree all you want. I understand you have the right to use whatever version of the Bible you wish.
 

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Did you see amadeus reply - ?
It was no harrassment at all, nor insult to your faith (as long as you maintain your faith in Jesus as I believe you said you do) .

I posted that because you and amadeus seems to support today in your posts, and defending?, the one who is posting the arian heresy, I was not sure if you had changed over from faith to heresy or not - see?

If your faith is still in Jesus, as God Says, good and well.
Thanks because the He isnt so easily insulted, and many will turn from the truth, even right here before our eyes.
 
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