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  1. janc

    janc Member

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    1. The Father

    2. The literally begotten Son of God who is a separate person and only began to exist from his human birth.

    One of these two possibilities must be the correct answer.
     
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    OR, you could learn what Scripture says, and what the Father says, and what Jesus says (all in perfect harmony , totally true)..

    What heresy did you pick those two choices from in the OP ?
     
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    Like father, like son; God has begotten a son who is like him, the image of God in the flesh.
    If this is wrong, then the Son can only be the Father.
     
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    Yes!? Not logical from the first sentence which is correct in Scripture,
    this underlined yes, is wrong the way(s) you've put it..
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    NEITHER IS THE CORRECT ANSWER. But it looks like you will never come to a knowledge of the truth.
     
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    JESUS is the Father who is the ordinal "First". and JESUS is the Son who is the ordinal "LAST", meaning he, Jesus is the "First"/Father, and the "Last"/Son.

    PICJAG.
     
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    to quote:
    though (hopefully instead of never), we may (God Willing) all in Christ Jesus pray for the best - that everyone will willingly turn to the Father , trusting Him,
    to be brought to the truth in and thru His Son Our Lord and Savior Jesus, and be set free from every false doctrine and from all the teachings of darkness.
     
  8. janc

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    Who am I? Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the anointed one, the Son of the living God. And he answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon son of Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
     
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    yes, the ONE to turn and or call on is JESUS, for he is the ONLY ONE WHO SAVES.

    PICJAG.
     
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    And your apparent trouble is in whoever told you , who you in error believed?

    (I don't recognize the cult though)
     
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    Who is the Son?

    Gods Word that came forth out from Gods mouth in a flesh body God prepared for His Word.


    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    what about Isaiah 63:5?

    PICJAG.
     
  13. janc

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    John 1:1
    In the beginning were the words of God, and the words of God came out of the mouth of God, and the words of God were the utterance of the mind of God. Everything was created from God through his words, and without his words nothing was created.


    Psalms 33:6-9
    Through the words of God the heavens were created, through the spirit of his mouth, for he spoke and it was.


    Genesis 1:1
    God spoke: "Let there be light, and there was light."
    God spoke: (the words)
    God spoke: (the words)
    .....


    John 1:14
    And the words of God became flesh.

    =
    The words I speak to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father who is in me he does it.
     
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    The Bible says that God spoke through the prophets, but with the Son, the Bible says that God spoke to the people in him. Through and in are not the same.
    God's spirit was in the Son, that means God was literally in the Son, everyone who spoke with the Son spoke with God.
    The Bible says nobody has seen God, by seen are meant his mind. By the words of a person we recognize his mind, we have recognized God by his words in the Son.
    Every person has his own word, and what he says reflects his spirit. If someone says good he is good, if someone says bad he is bad. Everything a person speaks reflects his mind.
    Nobody knows what is in man, except the spirit of man, nor does anyone know what is in God except the spirit of God.
     
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    What about it?
     
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    God the Son always existed and is not the Father. The Father is not the Son nor the Spirit, The Son is not the Father or the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father nor the Son. The Father is separate, the Son is separate, the Holy Spirit is separate and all are he same God. There is one God in three persons whom have always existed.
     
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    Btw, It is possible to see and feel the spirit of man, when someone speaks then the expressed thought of the spirit comes out.
    If you hold your hand in front of your mouth and speak, you can feel your own spirit. With special devices you can also see the spirit.
     
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    That's silly and unbiblical.
     
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    Yes , again.

    Did janc ever say what school or whatever says those things to him or to her ?

    (in Naples it may well be a , well, a known dis-order opposed to Scripture)
     
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    Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."
    YOU SAID?
    the question is what or "WHO" is God's ... "OWN" ARM? metaphorically speaking, God "OWN" ARM is his POWER, (God himself). so the words that came out of God's mouth is not the Son, (but God himself, the ordinal First). for the scriptures states that the Son, the ordinal Last eminated from the Spirit who is the Holy Spirit that we call "GOD". supportive scripture, John 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." which clearly means that which came from God is "Spirit". so that which was mad flesh is no thought, but spirit itself. to prove this, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:". here the "FORM" of God is NATURE, and God's NATURE is Spirit, for God is a Spirit. so no the Lord Jesus is no thought nor a word out of God's MOUTH.

    clearly he is "Spirit", and there is only "ONE" Spirit, and the Lord Jesus the ordinal Last is "EQUAL" with, not equal to, but EQUAL "WITH", meaning the SAME Person. and this is where "diversity" come in at...... (one might want to look into what Phil 2:6 is saying).

    so we suggest you look back over your assessment, concering the Lord Jesus as simply as words out of his "own" mouth. for this is why I brought Isaiah 63:5 to your attention.

    remember this is a discussion, no put down ok, just asking you to reevaluate your assessment of "WHO IS THE SON".

    NOW Isaiah 63:5, and Phil 2:6 is the keys to understand who the Son is.

    Looking to hear from you soon.

    PICJAG.
     
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