Dare I ask this...

[Cristo Rei]

You are using the word "Communist" in a meaningless way.

Look, you are free to think what you like. I know I'm not an expert -- I'm not even a doctor, and I don't think I'm in a position to judge this either way. If you think you know enough to judge, go for it.

What I do wonder about is why these doctors were experimenting on their patients. In the US, there are protocols. Certain drugs are recommended for certain things. If someone wants to experiment, he's supposed to get permission. Then he does his study. Some studies are small; when you have small studies, you often get different results in them; but if a drug shows promise, then a larger study gets done. Different variables are also studied. A drug may be safe for most people but pose dangers for specific groups. Thus the VA study was quite interesting. Veterans had an unusually high mortality rate. In one way, it seemed to work; in another way, it seemed to kill certain people. Until science knows what's what, the small benefits of using HCQ probably do not outweigh the dangers posed to certain groups of people. When more is known, perhaps HCQ will be more widely recommended.

Covid-19: VA Study Points to Increased Mortality with Hydroxychloroquine | Physician's Weekly

The study authors noted that patients with more severe disease were more likely to be prescribed either HC alone or in combination with AZ.

The patients in all arms of the study were around age 70, more than half were black, and all had a BMI around 30 kg/m2.

“Thus, as expected, increased mortality was observed in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine, both with and without azithromycin,” they wrote. “Nevertheless, the increased risk of overall mortality in the hydroxychloroquine-only group persisted after adjusting for the propensity of being treated with the drug. That there was no increased risk of ventilation in the hydroxychloroquine-only group suggests that mortality in this group might be attributable to drug effects on or dysfunction in non-respiratory vital organ systems. Indeed, hydroxychloroquine use in Covid-19 patients has been associated with cardiac toxicity.”

To be honest with you, you seem to be the person insisting you know everything for sure. You have all the facts. You have the right to tell others what drugs they should prescribe. You have the right to tell Facebook what they should allow -- or even be forced to have on their site. You seem to have a strong authoritarian streak yourself, so why complain about Dr. Fauci? Are you envious of people with positions that grant them respectability? Is that what this is about? Well, if you want to think you're an expert and know it all, I can't stop you. I just find it a bit far out there.

Calm down... Ur trying to read between the lines and forming conclusions on all kinds of other things...
All im basically saying is that i disagree with censorship in science.

 

[Brakelite]

I will say it again...Fear has its own penalties and hysteria numbs the mind. Stay away from the politics of it and the media hype, and the sky is falling statistics. Do smart things.

Some people like to be scared. Take my advise or do not. If you want to live in a hole the rest of your life....be my guest. But this is not the plague.

My area is not the norm, we have never paid much attention to Covid. Traffic is normal, most businesses are open, stores open, restaurants busy, bars, grocery stores are busy, churches open, parks are open, kids are playing, picnic and barbecues are happening, boating on the lakes and rivers. Block barbecues are popular and people are paying out of work teachers to teach groups of kids. In a hundred mile radius i know of about five death plus or minus. The kicker is that there is zero Covid cases in the hospital and they have only had one since this began and hydroxychloroquine and zithromax had him out in short order.

Now you are probably wondering how this can be. This area is called Mineral Area, because it has several historic mines, some closed, some open. Large piles of mine debris, some that can be seen for miles. In some cases they use this debris for landscaping. Now we know Covid does not like Zinc, and maybe other minerals. Now is this the reason? Maybe....This is a diversed area, retirement area, normal families, some close together some rural. The city has several large modern subdivisions and large apartment complexes, just normal stuff.

Now the mineral thing is why it is important to take your vitamins....multivitamins, some extra Zinc and vitamin D, and get some sunlight.

Mental health, we have been into this for a while and at least some of it is going to be around. We are human and everyone needs to be social, and that goes for the elderly also. Get outside, take walks with people, social distance, have a barbecue and socialize. Do not youth bomb people that are elderly, get them outside and social distance.

Oh that all of that were legal. Here in Victoria $1500 fines for traveling without sufficient reason. Social permits for traveling to work. Curfew between 8pm and 5am. $200 fines for not wearing masks in public. Fines for traveling outside of s five kilometer zone to shop. Exercising outside your immediate neighborhood. One can't even go over the road to surf alone at his local beach. Or play golf at his local course. It is a manipulated mind numbing overreaction where the common sense now is not to do the right thing Iin response to the virus, but the common sense thing in response to the legal niceties that have been laid down by over zealous glory hunting politicians.
I agree with the mineral cure. Natural remedies. With HCQ. if it were available. I don't know. I don't think so. No-one here wants to talk about it and when you do you are shouted down as if you are proposing cyanide as a cure. Will blindness and rather than herd immunity it's more like the herd of pigs jumping into the dead sea.
But I'm not depressed. Just sad that so many are in fear unnecessarily. And I'm grateful I have Jesus who pulls me back from becoming angry and frustrated at the blindness. It isn't anyone's fault. The devil has sold us a bridge to no where and it's beginning to collapse, but praise God, all this nonsense and confusion is only for a short time.

 

[BarneyFife]

A doctor in practice is not an expert in research matters. Doctors in practice try to keep up with research by reading various journals. They don't call themselves experts. Those twelve doctors included Stella Immanuel -- we've already discussed some of her other odd ideas. Facebook took down one of her videos, and she threatened them saying Jesus would do something to Facebook. The woman is a nutcase. She may also be a little hot water in Texas.

Should Facebook be in the business of offering medical advice? Should it allow a doctor to hand out advice to people he never met? Facebook was going by the general consensus of the "experts" -- both in the Trump administration and in various research groups. People offering different views most likely means they lack the best science on their side. It could kill people. People are still drinking sanitizer because Trump mentioned it in passing.

The truth is the truth, even when a nut says it. Unless you opt for the genetic fallacy. If I were sick and dying, I'd want a nut to treat me, if that nut was the only person who knew enough, cared enough, or dared enough to get the job done. Just sayin'.

 

[Enoch111]

All im basically saying is that i disagree with censorship in science.

Today the truth is being suppressed in science, and bogus science is being presented as truth. The Lancet had to literally withdraw a bogus article on HCQ, since is was merely a hit piece. And the so-called research on Remdesivir was severely criticized by those who are in a position to do so legitimately.

 

[Enoch111]

The truth is the truth, even when a nut says it.

Correct. Stella should never had made bizarre remarks to undermine herself and the medical profession, but she is in fact a qualified physician according to what has bee reported.

Also, if someone holds unorthodox ideas that does not make them a nut. But the Leftists (including the Leftist media) know how to dodge the truth by focusing on irrelevancies while they lie, cheat, and steal daily and then do their sickening virtue-signaling.

 

[bbyrd009]

This is communism

prolly more like fascism. or capitalism, being as how we got it

 

[Cristo Rei]

Oh that all of that were legal. Here in Victoria $1500 fines for traveling without sufficient reason. Social permits for traveling to work. Curfew between 8pm and 5am. $200 fines for not wearing masks in public. Fines for traveling outside of s five kilometer zone to shop. Exercising outside your immediate neighborhood. One can't even go over the road to surf alone at his local beach. Or play golf at his local course. It is a manipulated mind numbing overreaction where the common sense now is not to do the right thing Iin response to the virus, but the common sense thing in response to the legal niceties that have been laid down by over zealous glory hunting politicians.
I agree with the mineral cure. Natural remedies. With HCQ. if it were available. I don't know. I don't think so. No-one here wants to talk about it and when you do you are shouted down as if you are proposing cyanide as a cure. Will blindness and rather than herd immunity it's more like the herd of pigs jumping into the dead sea.
But I'm not depressed. Just sad that so many are in fear necessarily. And I'm grateful I have Jesus who pulls me back from becoming angry and frustrated at the blindness. It isn't anyone's fault. The devil has sold us a bridge to no where and it's beginning to collapse, but praise God, all this nonsense and confusion is only for a short time.

The thing is that we all live in different places and have our own personal situations. The people cheering for lockdowns and calling us selfish are always either working or well off or living somewhere with relative freedom...

If i get criticised now I'm just going to ask them where their at, if they've had to endure Victorian style lock downs, if they've lost their jobs, if they lost a family member, if they know where they will be in 6 months or even 3...

I think I'm going to enact my retirement plan sooner expected. Drop everything here and run away from this dark concrete jungle. Drive east for a few hours past Gippsland and settle near a small coastal town in NSW.

Somewhere like Merimbula, simple life, good boating with the ocean and lakes, the snow fields aren't far, the bush in the backyard. It's also ideal place to take up the new hobby I had planned, bird watching, in the Aussie bush, serene, peaceful, tranquilo... Ah one day

 

[Giuliano]

The truth is the truth, even when a nut says it. Unless you opt for the genetic fallacy. If I were sick and dying, I'd want a nut to treat me, if that nut was the only person who knew enough, cared enough, or dared enough to get the job done. Just sayin'.

Odds of lunatics being right isn't that good.

 

[Giuliano]

Correct. Stella should never had made bizarre remarks to undermine herself and the medical profession, but she is in fact a qualified physician according to what has bee reported.

Also, if someone holds unorthodox ideas that does not make them a nut. But the Leftists (including the Leftist media) know how to dodge the truth by focusing on irrelevancies while they lie, cheat, and steal daily and then do their sickening virtue-signaling.

"Oh yes, I talk about demon seed and the health problems caused by having sex with demons -- and yes, I am a qualified physician too."

 

[Giuliano]

Calm down... Ur trying to read between the lines and forming conclusions on all kinds of other things...
All im basically saying is that i disagree with censorship in science.

I'm not the person constantly complaining about wearing masks and other things. My life isn't going to be wrecked by someone asking me to wear a mask in public.

No one is being censored in science. You found out about these people. It's not as if someone shot them for having opposing views. Facebook could be sued if someone died from taking "bad medical" advice posted on their site.

You did not post a link to what you meant by 6000 physicians. I found out where that came from. You were mistaken about that. You've been bamboozled. My guess is you read some bad reporting at a fringe website. Six thousand doctors were not recommending HCQ. They were given a list of 15 things and asked which one they thought might be most useful.

Hydroxychloroquine: About That 6,000-Doctor Survey...

The Sermo survey, known as Sermo’s COVID-19 Real-Time Barometer Study, compiled answers from 6,227 physicians from 30 countries. It's conclusions include that among doctors who have treated coronavirus patients, 33 percent have prescribed Hydroxychloroquine, 41 percent Azithromycin, and 56 percent analgesics. And in the conclusion that has drawn the most media attention, Hydroxychloroquine was rated the "most effective therapy" from a list of 15 options, with 37 percent of COVID-19 treaters choosing it.

The other options listed include anti-HIV drugs, cough medications, "compassionate use of experimental drugs," Vitamin D, zinc tablets and "nothing." Among U.S. doctors, only 23 percent listed "Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine" — and the top answer, with 51 percent, was "nothing."​

I don't know where you read what you did; and if you told me, I'd give them a big negative mark, telling myself never to take their word for anything. You've been bamboozled.

 

[Grailhunter]

Rolling Thunder!!!

For those conspiracy theorists out there this will be the conspiracy of to top all conspiracies, because it is true and because it is worldwide. This will go down as the most deadly conspiracy of all time!

The preventative and the cure for Covid-19 is hydroxychloroquine and zithromax and this fact has been covered up to the point that it is criminal. The culprits; High ranking members of the medical community, the FDA, web services and social media like Yahoo, Google, Twitter, just to name a few. The democratic party was heavily involved in much of this. Even some of the members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, most notably Dr. Anthony Fauci. White House Task Force working for the President, so is President Trump to blame for this? He is the captain of the ship so to some extent, yes. Even though he took hydroxychloroquine himself to prove it was safe. These people should have been fired and charged with conspiracy to commit mass murders...what would you call that, manslaughter to the extreme. At that point it really would not have mattered if they were convicted, the ruckus that that would have caused would have uncovered the hydroxychloroquine conspiracy a few months back and saved a lot lives.

At this time there is nowhere for them to hide, but they have no choice but to continue to try to cover it up because of the legal and civil suits that are potentially awaiting them.

The death toll is over 160,000 now and the statistics show that about 40 percent of these deaths occurred in nursing homes. Wrongful death settlements to relatives for neglect and incompetence range from about 5 million to 50 million. So wrongful death lawsuits could be filed against nursing homes for staff and patients, government agencies, the medical community, and the internet services, if you take the average settlement for wrongful death as 20 million it could potentially reach 3.2 trillion dollars. Keep in mind that people can file multiple lawsuits against more than one organization at a time. 160,000 deaths and climbing, but not all will file or will be able to file and settlements will vary. Of course prisons are another factor, since hydroxychloroquine is also a preventative, those locked up should have been given this. So their relatives can file lawsuits.

3.2 trillion dollars in settlements will depend on the suits filed and the settlements. If the settlements go higher than 20 million dollars for settlements, than 3.2 trillion could be a low figure. Criminal charges and imprisonment is harder to press, because unless intent can be proven, few go to prison for stupidity.

Because of the money involved and criminal suits, they have no choice but to continue to cover it up and deny the facts. I have listed websites for lawsuit regarding hydroxychloroquine versus the FDA and also lawsuits regarding Covid-19 wrongful deaths in nursing homes. Most of these websites were suppressed until the last few days and they are dated back to the end of May. Now all this is coming out on the TV news, websites, radio, and newspapers, so the cat is out of the bag so to speak.

It does not matter at this point if they continue to deny, suppress, or cover it up, it is the perfect storm and there is no stopping it, information is coming out everyday and it is pealing back the layers of the cover-up to reveal the sinister plots.

Copy these into your web browser so that I do not place links that do not work.

Lawsuits against the FDA regarding hydroxychloroquine.

U.S. doctors group sues FDA for limiting access to drug touted by Trump for COVID-19

Physicians Sue FDA For Blocking Access To Life-Saving Drug - Yated.com

AAPS Sues the FDA to End Its Arbitrary Restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine

Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS) Sues the FDA to End Its Arbitrary Restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine

Physicians Sue FDA to Widen Access to Hydroxychloroquine (1)

Doctors Sue FDA Over Withholding Hydroxychloroquine, Leading to Thousands of Unnecessary Deaths During COVID-19 – Shore News Network

Nursing home and adult care wrongful death lawsuits

https://www.nursinghomeabusecenter....mes/coronavirus-wrongful-death-nursing-homes/

Nursing Homes, Hit Hard by COVID-19, May Soon Face Lawsuits

The U.S. Is Repeating Its Deadliest Pandemic Mistake

First Wrongful Death Lawsuit Filed Today Against Notorious Pennsylvania Nursing Home Linked To At Least 80 COVID-19 Deaths

Family sues nursing home over death of Army veteran from coronavirus

Lawsuit Filed Against Portland Nursing Home With Nearly 30 COVID-19 Deaths

COVID-19 Killed at Least 25 Residents of One Illinois Nursing Home. The Family of One Victim Has Filed a Lawsuit, Alleging Negligence. — ProPublica

Troubled nursing home sued over housekeeper's COVID-19 death

Nursing Home Neglect and Coronavirus Lawsuits

https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article243614337.html

 

[mjrhealth]

Masks or not, we have lost out rights and it will be long before we get them back, and things like being social will become an evil thing, that what is good is now declared evil, people will become less tolerant and more eager to dob one another in, just like china an North Korea, we have by stealth all being handed over to communism, the wealthy have all the money and every one else has nothing. All dependent on welfare handouts, making way for that dreaded mark, heralding in the cashless society, one tiny little bug has reigned in the end of life as we know it. And there are more people behind this than you think. None of out governments are innocent in this.

 

[Brakelite]

The thing is that we all live in different places and have our own personal situations. The people cheering for lockdowns and calling us selfish are always either working or well off or living somewhere with relative freedom...

If i get criticised now I'm just going to ask them where their at, if they've had to endure Victorian style lock downs, if they've lost their jobs, if they lost a family member, if they know where they will be in 6 months or even 3...

I think I'm going to enact my retirement plan sooner expected. Drop everything here and run away from this dark concrete jungle. Drive east for a few hours past Gippsland and settle near a small coastal town in NSW.

Somewhere like Merimbula, simple life, good boating with the ocean and lakes, the snow fields aren't far, the bush in the backyard. It's also ideal place to take up the new hobby I had planned, bird watching, in the Aussie bush, serene, peaceful, tranquilo... Ah one day

You mean those places hit so hard in the fire last summer?

 

[Brakelite]

Odds of lunatics being right isn't that good.

Mmm. So from a medical professional what said a couple of things that sounds off-beat and a little nutty, all of a sudden she has graduated to lunacy?

 

[Brakelite]

I'm not the person constantly complaining about wearing masks and other things. My life isn't going to be wrecked by someone asking me to wear a mask in public.

No one is being censored in science. You found out about these people. It's not as if someone shot them for having opposing views. Facebook could be sued if someone died from taking "bad medical" advice posted on their site.

You did not post a link to what you meant by 6000 physicians. I found out where that came from. You were mistaken about that. You've been bamboozled. My guess is you read some bad reporting at a fringe website. Six thousand doctors were not recommending HCQ. They were given a list of 15 things and asked which one they thought might be most useful.

Hydroxychloroquine: About That 6,000-Doctor Survey...

The Sermo survey, known as Sermo’s COVID-19 Real-Time Barometer Study, compiled answers from 6,227 physicians from 30 countries. It's conclusions include that among doctors who have treated coronavirus patients, 33 percent have prescribed Hydroxychloroquine, 41 percent Azithromycin, and 56 percent analgesics. And in the conclusion that has drawn the most media attention, Hydroxychloroquine was rated the "most effective therapy" from a list of 15 options, with 37 percent of COVID-19 treaters choosing it.

The other options listed include anti-HIV drugs, cough medications, "compassionate use of experimental drugs," Vitamin D, zinc tablets and "nothing." Among U.S. doctors, only 23 percent listed "Hydroxychloroquine or Chloroquine" — and the top answer, with 51 percent, was "nothing."​

I don't know where you read what you did; and if you told me, I'd give them a big negative mark, telling myself never to take their word for anything. You've been bamboozled.

So we should take the majority opinion and do nothing.

 

[Brakelite]

"Oh yes, I talk about demon seed and the health problems caused by having sex with demons -- and yes, I am a qualified physician too."

You'd be surprised at how widespread the opinion is throughout Christendom of not only the possibility, but the veracity of demons having sex with humans.
And strangely it always seems male demons with female human. I find that totally misogynistic and very unfair to the gay community.

 

[Candidus]

It's "just" a mask!"

 

[Stumpmaster]

People are dying no doubt. Many are getting sick, certainly.

I got sick when I was 4 years old, nearly died in the night. I understand it's normal for people to get sick, and to die of something at some stage. Communicable Diseases. They've got something communicable. Better not communicate with them in person so we don't get it. A reasonable precaution ...that's all I'm sayin'.

 

[Giuliano]

You'd be surprised at how widespread the opinion is throughout Christendom of not only the possibility, but the veracity of demons having sex with humans.
And strangely it always seems male demons with female human. I find that totally misogynistic and very unfair to the gay community.

I happen to believe in the possibility of humans having sex with demons myself; but I'm not a doctor diagnosing patients on my religious beliefs.

So we should take the majority opinion and do nothing.

I figure following the general consensus of most experts is probably the safest course to follow. They know more than I do, so why would I think I knew better than they do? Science is mostly about educated guesses, so why not let the people who are educated make their best guesses? If more information comes in, the best guess of yesterday may have been wrong; but that's not a good reason to suppose all science is bosh.

Mmm. So from a medical professional what said a couple of things that sounds off-beat and a little nutty, all of a sudden she has graduated to lunacy?

I think her channel at You Tube is still up. Go listen to some of the things she says, then decide for yourself if she's a lunatic.

 

[Cristo Rei]

You mean those places hit so hard in the fire last summer?

Life's too short to live in fear of anything, fires and viruses included. True? U live in a high risk fire area but u get get exotic native birds visting u as well... LoL...

What's the story with the little kookaburras???