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Yeah, it seems like that! Lol
The issue, IMHO, is often the questions being asked.

I have known some to dive into Scripture wanting God to explain to them His mind and motivations, the "order of salvation", ect. When they come to a conclusion they are absolutely sure God gave them that "truth". Of course, most often those "truths" are not in the Bible but instead products of their own mind as they try to understand what has not been revealed of an infinite God.

No wonder there are so many opinions.
 
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Sorry. It stands for "Southern Baptist Convention".

We are like rednecks let loose in the theology section of a library. We may not know what we believe, but we dang sure know it's correct. :)
Had I the authority to do so, I would most emphatically award this the most humorous and dang near correct post of the year.

My dad asked me one time: "Do you know the difference between a Baptist and a Lutheran?" (He was courting a Lutheran lady st the time) Of course, I played along and said no. He said: "Lutherans say 'Howdy' when they see each other in the liquor store."
 

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Has anyone ever changed their minds on a doctrinal position as a result of praying and studying something out that they read here on CB?

Please share. Debate is not the goal here, as inevitable as it may be. Testimony is.

I'll start.

I once realized while dicussing covenants on another forum website, that I didn't know nearly enough about them. (Still don't, btw)
Absolutely! I bought into the whole pretribulation rapture hoax, even after I learned the dubious source of the doctrine. The Holy Spirit showed me verse after verse in my "devotional" reading through the book from front to back that knocked the foundations out from under that doctrine and finally sealed its tomb with a passage in the book of the revelation about the 1 st and 2nd resurrection.
The thing is, it's always been God who's changed my mind. Human understanding is way too unreliable and shifts all the time. However, other people's opinions have given me pause to think and ask God to show me the truth. I can tell you with 100% certainty that I'm neither the first or last to have believed an error taught by men, and to have been corrected by God, the Holy Spirit.
 
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Absolutely! I bought into the whole perturbation rapture hoax, even after I learned the dubious source of the doctrine. The Holy Spirit showed me verse after verse in my "devotional" reading through the book from front to back that knocked the foundations out from under that doctrine and finally sealed its tomb with a passage in the book of the revelation about the 1 st and 2nd resurrection.
The thing is, it's always been God who's changed my mind. Human understanding is way too unreliable and shifts all the time.
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much for your testimony!
 
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Are you referring to modern-day prophets? If so, who are these prophets? And why would anyone not study and search the Scriptures but simply trust the word of a other person as having all the insight as a "prophet"?

We have the full revelation of the Word of God. Scripture is the final authority and teaches us all things (2 Tim. 3:16-17).

"If private revelations agree with Scripture, they are needless; and if they disagree, they are false" John Owen
Prophesy was a large part of the revelation of God and the content of scripture, but most people seem to have missed the calling and purpose of the prophets. It was never strictly revelation, but the application of the word to real life situations in a call to repentance. The signs and wonders were always given to convince or motivate wicked men to consider the message. The fact that some of their writings have become part of the Canon is coincidental to their purpose, but obviously according to God's will. The Revelation of God in the person of His Son is complete and the Bible is sufficient to teach us all we need to know about Him, but scripture alone is insufficient to convince of truth and convict of sin (or everyone who's ever read them would've instantly believed and been born again). That's the work of the Holy Spirit.
It's relatively easy to point out someone's sin based upon scripture alone when that sin is done out in the open, but how is hidden sin addressed in the church? Have you ever been in a congregation where the pastor took a break from verse by verse treatment of a book, and gave a special message because God moved him to do so? That's the gift of prophecy at work, even if the pastor doesn't realize it. God has given him a specific message to address a specific issue affecting his congregation, even though he's unaware of the issue. If he already knew that there was a problem, he could just approach the people involved and address them outright about it. When the pastor himself has a problem, you would hope that the elders of the church would recognize it and speak to him about it. Unfortunately, when Christians "go astray" we tend to rationalize our behavior and hide it, leading to more and more sin, until we confess it or are found out. The principal job of the prophets has always been to approach leaders, rulers, elders, congregations, etc. to warn them when they've strayed from God's purposes. How has that changed in the church age? Consider God's anointed King David. His anointing enabled him to write a large part of scripture by the Spirit of prophecy, yet when he sinned with Bathsheba it took Nathan the prophet to open his eyes to his own sin.
I realize that my argument may be self serving in a sense, but I need to defend my calling to a church that has negated the scripture by the consensus of leaders who would usurp Christ's authority and deny the relevance of what scripture itself says.
 

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Prophesy was a large part of the revelation of God and the content of scripture, but most people seem to have missed the calling and purpose of the prophets. It was never strictly revelation, but the application of the word to real life situations in a call to repentance. The signs and wonders were always given to convince or motivate wicked men to consider the message. The fact that some of their writings have become part of the Canon is coincidental to their purpose, but obviously according to God's will. The Revelation of God in the person of His Son is complete and the Bible is sufficient to teach us all we need to know about Him, but scripture alone is insufficient to convince of truth and convict of sin (or everyone who's ever read them would've instantly believed and been born again). That's the work of the Holy Spirit.
It's relatively easy to point out someone's sin based upon scripture alone when that sin is done out in the open, but how is hidden sin addressed in the church? Have you ever been in a congregation where the pastor took a break from verse by verse treatment of a book, and gave a special message because God moved him to do so? That's the gift of prophecy at work, even if the pastor doesn't realize it. God has given him a specific message to address a specific issue affecting his congregation, even though he's unaware of the issue. If he already knew that there was a problem, he could just approach the people involved and address them outright about it. When the pastor himself has a problem, you would hope that the elders of the church would recognize it and speak to him about it. Unfortunately, when Christians "go astray" we tend to rationalize our behavior and hide it, leading to more and more sin, until we confess it or are found out. The principal job of the prophets has always been to approach leaders, rulers, elders, congregations, etc. to warn them when they've strayed from God's purposes. How has that changed in the church age? Consider God's anointed King David. His anointing enabled him to write a large part of scripture by the Spirit of prophecy, yet when he sinned with Bathsheba it took Nathan the prophet to open his eyes to his own sin.
I realize that my argument may be self serving in a sense, but I need to defend my calling to a church that has negated the scripture by the consensus of leaders who would usurp Christ's authority and deny the relevance of what scripture itself says.
It didn't seem self-serving at all to me, until that last paragraph.

I think you're on to something.
 
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What "church" are you talking about, if specifically?
I don't know who initiated the doctrine that the gifts of the spirit disappeared when "that which is perfect has come" and defined that which is perfect as the Canon of scripture as defined today. Was it the council of Nicea? I don't know. I've only read one complete book about church history that included ancient records and it was really only about the apostate Popes of the 1st millennia up to about the 14th century of the second millennia (as well as a little of the book of martyrs). That awful read was titled, "The bad Popes". I can usually get the gist of something written in archaic prose, but I find reading such material tedious to say the least, and angering when I read of intentional deceit and the abuses of greedy men using their religious authority to steal from their congregation. However, I ran into this doctrine in the Baptist church, where my ministry was either received as biblical wisdom, or rejected to the loss of leadership and congregation.
 

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Ugh...well when you're spiritually bankrupt you can't afford any thing expensive.
What's wrong with ramen noodles and ice cream?
I've been told Ramen noodles aren't healthy, but an occasional fast and lazy meal of noodles is wonderful. I've never liked milk, but I always loved ice cream. If there were an ice cream of the word, I'd eat it until I was spiritually bloated.
 
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Debate is not the goal here, as inevitable as it may be.

So the thread is now going into discussing doctrine, which was not the idea when this thread was started. Maybe you folks need to start an other thread where you can fly into doctrinal issues....take your pick. Including your "Burger King Theology"......whatever that is.... :)
 
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I had a dream about the food here once, it was ramen noodles and ice cream for some.

I remember this.

I'd say we're eating slightly better these days, only the political stuff is definitely Ramen.

It's nice for a day or two, but after Day #59, it's like... "Can we PLEASE have something else?!!" LoL.
 
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On Monday, I created a thread titled, "Why do faith healers avoid hospitals and funeral homes" and not one reply. Surprising since we have all these believers here having gifts of apostles.

We have believers here having gifts of the apostles? That's interesting....

I say we start a thread and find out who they are, cuz that seriously interests me, LoL.

P.S. Sure that thread you created wasn't Ramen? : )
 
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Not so much did I change my mind, but I learned about dreams and visions. I guess what changed was believing that the power of the Holy Spirit that indwells in us is still alive and working in us. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit at Teen Challenge, but being raised in Baptist beliefs, prayer language/dreams/visions/prophecy...doubt was easy to come by. Here at CB, I made up my mind about all of that (I do hold charismatic beliefs, or pentecostal. Whatever you call it.) I also believed in OSAS, and now I have reason to believe that repentance is grace rather then a work.
 

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The issue, IMHO, is often the questions being asked.

I have known some to five I to Scripture wanting God to explain to them His mind and motivations, the "order of salvation", ect. When they come to a conclusion they are absolutely sure God g
We have believers here having gifts of the apostles? That's interesting....

I say we start a thread and find out who they are, cuz that seriously interests me, LoL.

P.S. Sure that thread you created wasn't Ramen? : )

Majority of the theology here is Ramen :)
 
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I'm so glad for you : )

And I feed bad for you that the Word is not enough. Still waiting for you to tell me who these prophets are, but I'm not surprised you won't answer the question.

2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
 

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I have also learned a lot of theological beliefs I never knew. And learned about the mandela effect, deal with major anxiety and was very much shaken about it, then after a few weeks of fleshing out, gained my composure and a better dosage in my anxiety medicine, and put that froot loop aside. Or fruit loop. Whatever it is. Lol. No, I don't believe it. At least how the mandela effect theory is.
 

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We have believers here having gifts of the apostles? That's interesting....

I say we start a thread and find out who they are, cuz that seriously interests me, LoL.
P.S. Sure that thread you created wasn't Ramen? : )
Just curious, but where in scripture do you find "apostolic gifts?" I've read at least 9 different translations of the Canon ( as well as a version of the apocrypha ) starting with the KJV and ending with the Complete Jewish Bible and I can't recall ever reading about apostolic gifts. I'm somewhat familiar with the gifts of the Spirit, but these are available to all and given by God's election to born again believers as enablement for the ministry to the church. The sign gifts (given to follow disciples to identify them as disciples) weren't necessarily discretionary, but spontaneous occurrence. What was it that was given to the Apostles that wasn't given to disciples for the purpose of ministry in the body of Christ?
 
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Just curious, but where in scripture do you find "apostolic gifts?" I've read at least 9 different translations of the Canon ( as well as a version of the apocrypha ) starting with the KJV and ending with the Complete Jewish Bible and I can't recall ever reading about apostolic gifts. I'm somewhat familiar with the gifts of the Spirit, but these are available and given by God's election to all born again believers as enablement for the ministry to the church. The sign gifts (given to follow disciples to identify them as disciples) weren't necessarily discretionary, but spontaneous occurrence. What was it that was given to the Apostles that wasn't given to disciples for the purpose of ministry in the body of Christ?
Thank you for sharing this...I have argued the same thing. There is no such thing as apostolic gifts....only Holy Spirit Gifts....