A Warning About The 2020 Election

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I could invent any number of scenarios.

It's not difficult to make any number of educated guesses, and come up with a reasonable seeming scenario.

In my lunchtime reading, I happened to come across this:

Jeremiah 28:9 ". . . when the word of the prophet come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him."

Much love!

 

[Philip James]

1. Trump actually wins the election.
2. But the DNC challenges the results, citing voter fraud.
3. Mass rioting ensues after the Leftists incite them to it through rumors of potential political corruption.
4. The rioting is bad enough in D.C. that mobs overtake the White House and Trump is forced to flee... "chased to the hospital" here would then suggest that his physical well-being is threatened but without there actually being anything wrong with him.
5. The capital is subjected to vandalism and looting after it is completely overrun, and finally
6. The original election results are overturned, and the Presidency is handed to the DNC, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris.

Yikes! That series of events would almost surely spark a civil war.

Hope the elephant doesn't roll over and squash us north of the border...

Lord have mercy!

 

[Hidden In Him]

I could invent any number of scenarios.

1. Trump loses.
2. Trump claims voter fraud.
3. White nationalists riot.
4. Trump flees the country, fearing arrest for fomenting unrest.
5. He seeks foreign help in aiding domestic terrorism and rebellion.
6. He continues to foment rebellion and urges his supporters to overthrow the government.

This isn't about "inventing" scenarios, Giuliano. This isn't the Political Events forum. We are discussing prophecy. This dream doesn't suggest voter fraud on the part of Trump. It doesn't suggest rioting on the part of White Nationals. Nor does it suggest he "seeks foreign help in aiding domestic terrorism and rebellion"...

If you think the symbolism used in the dream suggests any of the above, then show me how. Otherwise, this is not another rambling political thread. Please stay on topic.

 

[Giuliano]

This isn't about "inventing" scenarios, Giuliano. This isn't the Political Events forum. We are discussing prophecy. This dream doesn't suggest voter fraud on the part of Trump. It doesn't suggest rioting on the part of White Nationals. Nor does it suggest he "seeks foreign help in aiding domestic terrorism and rebellion"...

If you think the symbolism used in the dream suggests any of the above, then show me how. Otherwise, this is not another rambling political thread. Please stay on topic.

I think dreams can come from a variety of places -- some good, some bad, some indifferent. Some come out of our own unconscious minds. Our hidden fears are sometimes revealed in dreams.

 

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I think dreams can come from a variety of places -- some good, some bad, some indifferent. Some come out of our own unconscious minds. Our hidden fears are sometimes revealed in dreams.

I've done a bit of reading on dreaming and memory consolidation. Now, nothing I'm saying should be construed that God never gives dreams to people.

We may have things in our minds from the day that as we sleep, we're sorting all that out, and this sorting is experienced as dreaming. Successions of images and ideas in various interplay in the fantastical environ of our mind. The brain is a very complex and amazing thing!

Ecclesiastes 5
2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

The busier we are, the more we'll dream.

These dreams will reflect what's prominent in our lives. And they will reflect our perceptions and expectations. Dreams that seem to show future events may have a very "right" feel about them, because they may be reflections of our own minds on the subject.

Those who have reasonable Biblical knowledge will know how the Bible frames future events, and may incorporate that into dreams.

That's something that's sometimes struck me about end of the age prophetic dreams, they always show the eschatology of the one dreaming the dream, even though the dreamers have variously different eschatologies.

So why do I never hear of a non-pre-tribber having a pre-trib dream? Or a pre-tribber having a post-trib dream? Just something I wonder.

Anyway, this is why I'm so interested in seeing if someone's dream or prophecy is actually fulfilled.

Actually, upon reflection, I've had several post-trib dreams, very lucid, very powerful, but I've never thought them to be more than dreams. My dreams tend towards lucid, and widely diverse, to say the least!

I think some get irritated with me here for having this standard, and I hope I'm not irritating anyone right now. Hopefully this will say a little more why I think as I do.

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think dreams can come from a variety of places -- some good, some bad, some indifferent. Some come out of our own unconscious minds. Our hidden fears are sometimes revealed in dreams.

Well this would be a valid comment, and I have no problems with people expressing doubts. I'm not always sure either, LoL. I just act as I feel led and leave it in His hands. If I were heavily concerned about my image I probably wouldn't say anything at all. But I am a believer in end-time prophecy and especially the fulfillment of Joel 2:28 taking place in the end-times, so if anything I am trying to find my own way in developing what I believe to be a genuine gift of interpretation... but it's not easy when circumstances can be changed if those spoken over repent. But again, I think that has to do with humility, and being willing to be publicly humiliated if necessary in the pursuance of honestly just wanting to serve the Lord.

But yes, some dreams can be from God, some from the enemy, and some just because we left the TV on, and the cowboys and indians were fighting it out to the death, LoL.

As far as hidden fears, I personally don't have any, at least not about politics.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Ecclesiastes 5
2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

The busier we are, the more we'll dream.

I'm glad you're posting verses on it, but now, I think you are misreading the verse.

In the LXX, it reads as follows: "For through the multitude of trial a dream comes; yet a fool’s voice is with a multitude of words." What it means is that it takes a lot of work figuring out the accurate interpretation of a dream, and I can attest to this. I put in hours, and even then there will be stuff I miss. But the second half of the verse is about the opposite approach; just someone who starts mouthing off, and has no idea what they are talking about. No study, no prayer, no reflection, no weighing symbolism out against itself, and no use of logic and consistency; just open the mouth and let fly some ridiculous thing that has very little to no thought in it.

These dreams will reflect what's prominent in our lives. And they will reflect our perceptions and expectations. Dreams that seem to show future events may have a very "right" feel about them, because they may be reflections of our own minds on the subject.

Where I've seen this be true is in people's theology and eschatology, and I don't think it's because of the dreams themselves but how they interpret them based on preconceived assumptions.

That's something that's sometimes struck me about end of the age prophetic dreams, they always show the eschatology of the one dreaming the dream, even though the dreamers have variously different eschatologies.

YES! which is why having a strong knowledge of scripture is often necessary if one would be an accurate interpreter of dreams and visions from God. He will use much of the same imagery, and if you don't accurately know what it represents in scripture you won't know what it represents in dreams either.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Actually, upon reflection, I've had several post-trib dreams, very lucid, very powerful, but I've never thought them to be more than dreams. My dreams tend towards lucid, and widely diverse, to say the least!

Then you don't want to trust them : ) Lucid dreams are ones we control, and when the Lord gives a dream it will not be anything you have power over. In order to communicate a specific message, He doesn't allow us to tamper with a dream. Kinda like if Daniel had had the dream of the four beasts, but the fourth was so scary - having 7 heads and 10 horns - that he turned it into a nice fluffy kitten that brought faith, hope and love to the entire world, Lol.

 

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In the LXX, it reads as follows: "For through the multitude of trial a dream comes; yet a fool’s voice is with a multitude of words." What it means is that it takes a lot of work figuring out the accurate interpretation of a dream, and I can attest to this.

I'm just quoting the context, please don't misunderstand me.

Interpretations belong to God. Daniel asked for them, and received them. I don't know how much he had to try to figure out, or if he knew what all the elements meant.

But this is a place where Solomon acknowledges that dreams can come from all that is going on in our lives, and the more there is, the more you'll dream.

I'll need to look at the LXX there, I don't have time at the moment.

The full passage,

5 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.
4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.
6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?
7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

In the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities. There is much emptiness in dreams.

We're not to be too quick to say too much, we can have dreams, and millions of words, but there is much emptiness in both.

Again . . . not to say all dreams . . .

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

the fourth was so scary - having 7 heads and 10 horns - that he turned it into a nice fluffy kitten that brought faith, hope and love to the entire world, Lol.

If the Book of Revelation had been a lucid dream:

 

[Giuliano]

That's something that's sometimes struck me about end of the age prophetic dreams, they always show the eschatology of the one dreaming the dream, even though the dreamers have variously different eschatologies.

So why do I never hear of a non-pre-tribber having a pre-trib dream? Or a pre-tribber having a post-trib dream? Just something I wonder.

I think the human mind blocks out things. That can happen in both dreams and visions. To a large degree, we see what we expect or imagine in our inner being.

 

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Then you don't want to trust them : ) Lucid dreams are ones we control, and when the Lord gives a dream it will not be anything you have power over. In order to communicate a specific message, He doesn't allow us to tamper with a dream. Kinda like if Daniel had had the dream of the four beasts, but the fourth was so scary - having 7 heads and 10 horns - that he turned it into a nice fluffy kitten that brought faith, hope and love to the entire world, Lol.

I guess I've a different idea on lucid dreams. When I say lucid dream, I mean a dream that is indistinguishable from real life. And though I may be standing on the fractured crust of the earth as the Lord slags it with fervent heat, in that dream I didn't realize it was a dream, it just seemed real.

Other times I'll realize I'm dreaming, and those, well, usually I just want to go flying.

Much love!

 

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If the Book of Revelation had been a lucid dream:

Finally, one I can like!



That's a crack up!

 

[Hidden In Him]

I think the guy in the bandana is me, LoL.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I guess I've a different idea on lucid dreams. When I say lucid dream, I mean a dream that is indistinguishable from real life.

Yes, I've seen a number of people use the term this way. I used to think it meant the same thing myself. But then I was listening to the song Silent Lucidity one day and realized it's about dream control, so that you don't get too frightened by the negative stuff.

See second sentence:
Lucid dream - Wikipedia

 

[Giuliano]

As far as hidden fears, I personally don't have any, at least not about politics.

I couldn't judge that one way or another; but I can say if we knew what our hidden fears were, they wouldn't be hidden.

 

[Giuliano]

I guess I've a different idea on lucid dreams. When I say lucid dream, I mean a dream that is indistinguishable from real life. And though I may be standing on the fractured crust of the earth as the Lord slags it with fervent heat, in that dream I didn't realize it was a dream, it just seemed real.

Other times I'll realize I'm dreaming, and those, well, usually I just want to go flying.

Much love!

Have you ever had a lucid dream knowing you were dreaming and also knowing where your physical body was sleeping?

 

[Hidden In Him]

5 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.
4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.
6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?
7 For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

In the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities. There is much emptiness in dreams.

We're not to be too quick to say too much, we can have dreams, and millions of words, but there is much emptiness in both.

Yes, but you are reading in again, IMO : )

1 Be not hasty with your mouth, and let not your heart be swift to utter anything before God; for God is in heaven above, and you are upon earth: therefore let your words be few. 2 For through the multitude of trial a dream comes; and a fool’s voice is with a multitude of words. 3 Whenever you shall vow a vow to God, defer not to pay it; for there is no pleasure in fools: Pay therefore whatsoever you shall have vowed. 4 Better that you should not vow, than that you should vow and not pay it. 5 Suffer not your mouth to lead your flesh to sin; and say not in the presence of God, "It was an error," lest God be angry at your voice, and destroy the works of your hands. 6 For there is evil in a multitude of dreams and vanities and many words: but fear God.

In the words "lest God be angry at your voice, and destroy the works of thy hands. For [there is evil] in a multitude of dreams and vanities and many words: but fear God," what he is saying is, if you screw up and make unnecessary vows you don't keep, your dreams are going to go south and get ugly because judgment is coming. Why? Because He gets angry at such things, and they could try explaining their dreams away with all sorts of vain words, but these will be vanities. The correct interpretation, after getting all nervous and asking others "what it means" will be that the person is in trouble. That's the message of the passage. The rest of the Chapter is about fearing God, and walking in charity and kindness towards others, lest one's dreams turn dark for similar reasons.

Interpretations belong to God. Daniel asked for them, and received them. I don't know how much he had to try to figure out, or if he knew what all the elements meant.

They saw through a glass darkly just like we do; and just like those in NT times did:
Dream Interpretation - Is it New Age?

 

[Hidden In Him]

I couldn't judge that one way or another; but I can say if we knew what our hidden fears were, they wouldn't be hidden.

I know what my fears are : ) They don't involve the world. The world is about to descend into darkness, and it's a path they chose, so the consequences of their decisions are not going to steal my peace. He is a just God, and men will reap what they sow.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Hospitals are a place of healing and repairing...perhaps healing?

I don't think EITHER Kennedy (John or Bobby ) was healed and repaired. And so too which I anticipate in the "vision"!

Bobby Jo