Philip James
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Oh so blind are the fools.
Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you are saying, 'We see,' so your sin remains.
Peace!
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Oh so blind are the fools.
And I’ve crushed your asinine OSAS heresy in thread after thread after thread – yet you have failed to address even ONE of the passages I presented.
Here they are AGAIN – for about the seventh time. These passages are ALL about truly converted, BORN AGAIN believers who are in danger of LOSING their security forever.
The time for running from them is OVER . . .
Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?
Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.
2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.
Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory . . .
1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.
2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.
1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.
Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.
Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.
And I’ve crushed your asinine OSAS heresy in thread after thread after thread – yet you have failed to address even ONE of the passages I presented.
Why don't you just take one thread called "The Catholic Bashing Thread"? The Catholic Church has never asserted that the Lord Jesus Christ is "Catholic". That is just asinine.Jesus isn't a Catholic.
You're never HAD me on ignore.Okay, I am taking you off of Ignore to deal with this subject.
It is clear from John 5:24 (kjv) that we pass from death unto everlasting life from the moment of first faith and will not afterwards come into condemnation.
So, are you saying that the person who has faith in Luke 8:13 and falls away has epignosis; and therefore continues to be saved after falling away? (this would be heresy)
Because the scripture cannot be broken. John 5:24 is clear that the person who hears Jesus' words and believes on Him who sent Him shall not come into condemnation but has passed from death into everlasting life.
This assurance is two-fold:
1) they shall not come into condemnation
2) they "have" everlasting life (life that can never come to an end).
Now, whatever scriptures you may have to show that a man can fall away are not going to contradict what is spoken in John 5:24 (kjv); which is given as an absolute promise of holy scripture. Notice that Jesus, in John 5:24 (kjv) says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you..."
So, if you are going to come up with anything to contradict this verse, you are going to have to come up with a verse that has a similar backing of Jesus saying that it is absolute truth.
Otherwise, the verses you bring up must conform to what Jesus says is absolute truth in John 5:24 (kjv)...
I adjure you therefore to show, with every quotation, how the verse that you are quoting is brought into reconciliation with John 5:24 (kjv).
Jhn 5:24, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Otherwise you are merely cherry-picking and are pitting scripture against scripture.
Real good post with one exception....Grace is obeying Acts 2:38.-
Jesus isn't a Catholic.
Neither is Paul.
Also, think of every denomination you can think of, then add in 2500 more you dont know about.
Jesus and Paul are none of those........also.
Jesus and Paul do not belong to a man made denomination.
But you do, or have.
Do you belong to the Cult of Mary and call a leader "holy father" when the NT tells you to "call no man on earth Father"?
Its interesting that we are told to "not forsake the assembling of ourselves together"< but we are not told to join a denomination.
The Heretic thinks that their "church" is THE Church, when in fact ALL the born again believers are "the Body of Christ" or "The" Church.
There is the concept of a Local Church, revealed in the NT, but its never given a BRAND NAME.
Its never titled the Catholic or the Baptist Believer's Convention, or the Lutherans, or the "Pentecostals".
All that came later, as men moved in, took over, and created DENOMINATIONS such as the Cult of Mary.
Also...
IF you are born again, you've already joined the "one true Church", which is the literal, spiritual, body of Christ...that is not made with hands., but is made with The Blood of God as Jesus dying on The Cross.
So, is "organized religion", (denominations), the local church, good for you? ???
Well, It can be great for you and your family, but, the sticking point, is, that NT doctrine as "sound doctrine" is always sound, of itself..... but the way it is taught in "church", is often man made reinvention.
= Carnal bible twisting mania.
The only thing the Devil loves more then 25000 denominations that dont agree with each other's theology, (he had a full hand in this).....are 300 "New versions" of the BIBLE, that have changed verses, removed "sound" doctrine, and often try to leave God out, whenever possible.
Satan loves this.
LOVES it.
So, how do you know if your church is false, and is not walking in the Light, as Jesus is the Light?
It all comes down to how they teach Salvation and how they teach GRACE and how they teach JUSTIFICATION by FAITH.
It all comes down to each denomination's personal explanation of God's Gospel of GRACE.... Or as Paul said...>"My Gospel".
Understand Saint, that if they get this wrong, then everything else is wrong, also.
And if you belong to a church that has substituted works for Grace, or includes works (self effort) as a part of God's redemption, then you are wrong also., and they did it to you.
They, your church, has caused you to walk in the dark if you are trying to keep yourself saved, or if you believe that you can lose your salvation.
So, how do you check all this, to find out if you are in a poisonous religious cult, or if you are in a place where God reigns and the Holy Spirit is active? ???
First, you have to understand that Jesus is Grace.
JESUS is Eternal Life.
Jesus is Salvation....
Jesus is the author and finishers of YOUR FAITH. Hebrews 12:2.
And because Jesus is "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", and you are "IN Christ"", you have become the very "righteousness of Christ", if you are born again.
So, If you know all this, and believe all this, and TRUST all this and not in yourself to keep yourself saved.. then You will also have to come to the truth of the revelation that God began your salvation and HE will finish it.
Philippians 1:6
So....You have to come to a place in your theological mastery where you understand GRACE is a free gift, that Salvation is a free gift, and you no longer worry about losing your salvation, or still believe you have to keep yourself saved. = (Legalism) (Galatians 1:8)
Saint, you have to come to the revelation, that, if i ask you, "what are you trusting in, to get you to heaven""".... your only and final answer, is "JESUS."
And until you are there, completely certain..... until you have the revelation of "Grace without works".. Then you will always answer...."well, I trust in Jesus, BUT"....but....but......but..... = Spiritual and Theological Fail.
So, until you come to understand and truly believe that Jesus and Jesus alone saved you and will get you into heaven, then you are lost in the deceitful maze of "who is right"...>"who is lying"...."how do i know", and worst deceit of all = "you can lose your salvation".
You skipped the book of Acts...completely.You're never HAD me on ignore.
Your obsession with me is well-known . . .
ALL promises of eternal life and "eternal security" are CONDITIONAL. IF we remain in Christ - He remains in us, etc.
As I have warned you on MANY occasions - your cherry-picking of verses is your doom. You must take ALL of the promises of eternal security in CONTEXT with ALL of the other ones that put conditions on them.
ALL of the following verse have the condition that WE remain faithful in order to retain our security . . .
Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19
FALSE.You have copied and pasted your list repeatedly.
Repeatedly your list has been refuted Step by Step...
You don't learn what is before you.
You ignore the refutation, then pop back in with your list making your same Erroneous claim...
Nothing in Scripture says a man Can Receive Salvation....and Then Lose his Salvation.
Salvation is an Offering to every man.
That means the OFFERING of Salvation IS For every man TO Take/Receive.
If a man DOES NOT TAKE What is For him to receive....DUH!
He Loses what Was OFFERED for him.
He has Lost (his salvation)...
Because he refused to receive his salvation.
If something IS yours to Take...it is yours!
You are putting Christ to open Shame by preaching Christ gives Salvation, then takes it back. <---> is that what you were taught in Catholic School/Church?
Glory to God,
Taken
Just as I thought - more impotent ad hominems and more FAILURE.Do you realize that all your hilarious speech.....all this "crushed, epic fail, destroyed you"......all this sounds like you are 12 yrs old and think you are playing X-Box.
You are a laughing bag everytime you post to me, and others, as we can see you as a 12 yr old, in your mother's bedroom..on her Laptop.....saying outloud to me as you post here..>"i got you this time""", BAM.....DESTROYED... SMASHED...GOTCHA"......click, click, click,..... like you are playing a video game.
You're hilarious, son.
Thanks for the continuous laugh track, (all your posts) as you've given me and others here a lot of them, and no doubt we can look for more.
Too funny.
Listen you are a Cult of Mary who twists beads and prays to plastic statues, so, who can take such a deceived person seriously?
Understand?
I respond to you, because it keeps my Threads bumped to the top, so that new people can read the topic and see the Light.
So, you are useful to me in this way..
You remind me of a book that was put out a few years ago...."Useful Idiots".
So, you are useful to me on my Threads, as you are so ego-centric and self centered, and so theologically malformed.
Thank you for bumping my Threads. As this helps others, which is my reason for being here.
And i rarely respond to any type of post that is filled with unending and wrongly divided verses.
I call this type of ignorant posting...>"a waterfall of verses", and the people who do this are always playing games and never are they true.
Now, the reason you have issues with "OSAS"< is because you dont understand what this term actually means.
But i have taken the time today, to respond to your false understanding, in a previous post, so i hope that helps you.
And keep in mind, your Catholic Cult of Mary, teaches that : The CROSS + Works = Salvation, and that the city water system is "water regeneration" of the Spirit.
So, those are Grace denying heresies, and its typical of all cults that reject God's Grace= by changing the Gospel of Grace into the Gospel of Works.
That what you do, because you are such an over the top and silly product of your Cult of Mary.
Your cult of Mary and you, are Galatians 1:8.
You're never HAD me on ignore.
Your obsession with me is well-known . . .
ALL of the following verse have the condition that WE remain faithful in order to retain our security . . .
Notice that in Luke 8:13, the person who falls away has "Christian faith" yet has no root in himself and therefore falls away.Notice that LAST definition of "Christian faith".
Notice that in Luke 8:13, the person who falls away has "Christian faith" yet has no root in himself and therefore falls away.
So, it appears that there is a faith that is a step up from epignosis...
Because there is obviously a faith that results in everlasting life (John 6:47)...life that can never come to an end.
I don't know HOW many times I have to warn you about cherry-picking verses OUT of context.I suggest that you show how each of your scriptures does not contradict the plain meaning of what Jesus says verily, verily, to us, in John 5:24 (kjv)...
No we won't - not if we don't cooperate with God's Grace . . .Of course...and we will remain faithful because we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) who motivates us to remain faithful (see Philippians 2:13).
And also, we shall not depart from Him because we have the fear of the LORD in us (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv), Psalms 19:9 (kjv)).
And also, it is clear from holy scripture that no one can snatch us out of His hand (John 10:27-30).
I suppose I got those in the reverse order, and I expect I will have to quote the first verses (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv) and Psalms 19:9 (kjv)) in order to deal with the argument that I can foresee is coming.
I don't know HOW many times I have to warn you about cherry-picking verses OUT of context.
The CONTEXT of the Gospel message is that we HAVE everlasting life in Christ - IF WE REMAIN IN HIM . . .
No we won't - not if we don't cooperate with God's Grace . . .
No Bible-believing Christian can deny that any of this is not biblical. So this is NOT a "Catholic Jesus" at all.
Which means we need to be fair to the Catholic Church
The argument never came...which indicates to me that you (@BreadOfLife) can see that I have made an airtight case for eternal security (I have been arguing for POTS; and not for OSAS).I suppose I got those in the reverse order, and I expect I will have to quote the first verses (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv) and Psalms 19:9 (kjv)) in order to deal with the argument that I can foresee is coming.
Yes take note of who HE was talking to. There are many who need to take note of what they quote.Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you are saying, 'We see,' so your sin remains.
Peace!