Shall we discuss this?

[kcnalp]

No, that commentary renders it obsolete.

You said, "The Bible is a first century book written to and about first century thinkers."

It's not for us?

 

[Truther]

Maybe your Bible has secret doctrines in it My Bible doesn't and when some religion tries to teach me something I have show me in the scriptures.

No, not the Bible, but the commentary has secret doctrines.

 

[kcnalp]

But if God became a man, then God mediates unto Himself...unless Jesus is not a part of the Godhead.

Can't have both.

A man CANNOT become God. He already was God. He came to us in the flesh.

 

[user]

Well you err because you only look at teh English!

Deuteronomy 6:4 literally reads "Hear O Israel, the Lord your Gods are a compound one"

See it is YHWH you Elohim (plural) And in Hebrew there are two nouns for the word one; Yachid and echad. Echad is used when you have a compound one. An example. The Smiths live at 6 anywhere street. there is a father, Mother, and four children. Yet they are ONE family not six.

The Father is called God, The son is called god, and The spirit is called God. They are all true God and they are not the same person as the modalist heresy says. they are three unique and distinct individuals who all share the same essence- absolute Deity. that is why Jesus said "If you see me you see the Father" and I and the Father are one.

let's take a look...

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD(H3068) our God is one LORD:

H3068
Strong's hebrew and Greek:
יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord.


H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God


once again you stand in error.

God Bless!

 

[user]

Deuteronomy 6:4 literally reads "Hear O Israel, the Lord your Gods are a compound one"

See it is YHWH you Elohim (plural) And in Hebrew there are two nouns for the word one; Yachid and echad. Echad is used when you have a compound one. An example. The Smiths live at 6 anywhere street. there is a father, Mother, and four children. Yet they are ONE family not six.

Here are some places in the Bible where the Hebrew word "Elohim" (Strong’s # 430) is used where it DEFINITELY does NOT refer to God, but is definitely referring to ONE ... NOT two, or three ... ONE! And in so doing, those who use this word in an effort to assert a plurality of "persons" of GOD are only doing so in an effort to support the man made theory of three "persons" of God. And according to Leviticus 19:36; Ezekiel 45:10; Proverbs 11:1; and Micah 6:11 ... as well as the following scriptures ... is a double standard (an unjust balance), a definite abomination in the sight of God! Now, here's the examples which I offer as proof that the use of the word Elohim should NOT be used by anyone to "imply" or suggest that Deuteronomy 6:4 is actually MORE than one LORD ... OR more than ONE PERSON.

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - (Moses was one)

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. -(There is no other "person" or "persons" with God)

Judges 6:31 And Joash said unto all that stood against him, Will ye plead for Baal? will ye save him? he that will plead for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning: if he be a god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430), let him plead for himself, because one hath cast down his altar. -(baal was one)

Judges 9:27 And they went out into the fields, and gathered their vineyards, and trode the grapes, and made merry, and went into the house of their god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430), and did eat and drink, and cursed Abimelech. -(the house of their god was one)

Judges 9:46 And when all the men of the tower of Shechem heard that, they entered into an hold of the house of the god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) Berith. -(berith was one)

Judges 11:24 Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess. -(chemosh was one)

Judges 16:23 Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Dagon their god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430), and to rejoice: for they said, Our god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand. -(dagon was one)

Judges 16:24 And when the people saw him, they praised their god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430): for they said, Our god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us. -(their god, dagon, was one)

1 Kings 11:33 Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) of the Moabites, and Milcom the god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430) of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father. -(here we have ELOHIM being used individually to describe ashtoreth, chemosh, and milcom ... each of whom were still only one ... not a plurality)

1 Kings 18:27 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god (ELOHIM -Strong’s # 430); either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. -(baal was one)


God Bless!

 

[Truther]

You said, "The Bible is a first century book written to and about first century thinkers."

It's not for us?

Yes it is.

Commentary is not for us...it is deceitful.

 

[Truther]

A man CANNOT become God. He already was God. He came to us in the flesh.

No, he was MADE God, not "became" God.

Nor can a Spirit God become a man...

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


Jesus was a man/son of man.

 

[kcnalp]

No, he was MADE God, not "became" God.

Same EXACT thing!

Nor can a Spirit God become a man...

Is there any part of the Bible you believe?
"God was manifested in the flesh"

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Emphasis on "that He should lie".

Jesus was a man/son of man.

Your Jesus is not Jesus of the Bible!
John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh ...

 

[kcnalp]

Yes it is.

Commentary is not for us...it is deceitful.

You constantly reject the Bible. Now you reject commentary. You don't seem to have much left but your opinions.

 

[Truther]

Same EXACT thing!

Is there any part of the Bible you believe?
"God was manifested in the flesh"

Emphasis on "that He should lie".

Your Jesus is not Jesus of the Bible!
John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh ...

You just debunked this...

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Source: 37 Bible verses about Son Of Man

 

[Truther]

You constantly reject the Bible. Now you reject commentary. You don't seem to have much left but your opinions.

I reject your concept of the Bible per your commentary.

 

[kcnalp]

You just debunked this...

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Gee, you seem to forget, He hadn't came in the flesh yet.

 

[kcnalp]

I reject your concept of the Bible per your commentary.

Is that supposed to make any sense?

 

[Truther]

Gee, you seem to forget, He hadn't came in the flesh yet.

Gee, you seem to forget, He hadn't came in the flesh yet.

Repost...

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

 

[kcnalp]

Repost...

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

 

[Truther]

1 Timothy 3:16 (NKJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Which is perfectly illustrated here...

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


And all this time you thought it said God was manifest INTO flesh?

 

[kcnalp]

Which is perfectly illustrated here...

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


And all this time you thought it said God was manifest INTO flesh?

Wouldn't it be much easier for you to just write your own bible instead of trashing our Christian Bibles all the time?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No, not the Bible, but the commentary has secret doctrines.

I've noticed that

 

[Truther]

Wouldn't it be much easier for you to just write your own bible instead of trashing our Christian Bibles all the time?

I just quoted you a scripture and you call it trashing?

 

[kcnalp]

I just quoted you a scripture and you call it trashing?

You don't just quote, you TWIST! And what's really sad is that nobody else here seems to care.