Would Jesus Wear a red Maga hat?

[Candidus]

"Jesus said to fish out of the RIGHT side of the boat."

Good one!

 

[Candidus]

Trump is caustic. He has a big mouth and often says/tweets some dumb remarks.

You can find montages of Joe Biden's stupid, racist and caustic statements online without a problem.

I don't thing that pointing out dumb things Trump has said, and missing that Joe has dwarfed him in this area does much for that criticism. I'm just saying, we could do worse!

 

[Candidus]

Do Canadians wear MAGA hats?

I think they paste on eyebrows!
eyebrow falling off - Bing video

 

[K9Buck]

You can find montages of Joe Biden's stupid, racist and caustic statements online without a problem.

I don't thing that pointing out dumb things Trump has said, and missing that Joe has dwarfed him in this area does much for that criticism. I'm just saying, we could do worse!

The left is incapable of expressing criticism for anyone with a "D" by their name. I don't want to be like them. I want to tell the truth and, sometimes, that involves criticizing Trump.

 

[Candidus]

The left is incapable of expressing criticism for anyone with a "D" by their name. I don't want to be like them. I want to tell the truth and, sometimes, that involves criticizing Trump.

Between the two candidates, I would say that telling the truth would be to acknowledge both in the criticism if it applies to both.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

LOL--- Christian like "yourself"... LOL

Start a thread about Jesus ... then Fill your post with a LONG list of personal Accusations Againt Trump.

Christian "like yourself", is something you should think about not proclaiming...when you are posting a hate filled gossip commentary about Trump.

Shameful!

Glory to God,
Taken

Trump has stated on record for the world to see that he has NEVER asked for Forgiveness because he has done nothing to ask Forgiveness “ FOR”. Wow.Can one ever give a better proof that he is Lost?
Never forget that Fidel Castro also claimed to be a “ Christian”......Trump and Castro have two things in common—— they would not know Christianity if it came up and bit them on the Ass....

 

[Rita]

Why do you believe that I am indentured to work to pay for your healthcare? How did I earn that debt?

It worked in the UK - it was rooted in the common concern for the well-being of those who were less fortunate . At the time many went without health care because they didn’t have the income. I have always been incredibly grateful for the NHS and I don’t recent paying my NH contribution from my wages each month.
I do dislike it when others from other countries come here and get instant access though - so it does have its issues x
Rita

 

[Candidus]

Trump has stated on record for the world to see that he has NEVER asked for Forgiveness because he has done nothing to ask Forgiveness “ FOR”. Wow.Can one ever give a better proof that he is Lost?
Never forget that Fidel Castro also claimed to be a “ Christian”......Trump and Castro have two things in common—— they would not know Christianity if it came up and bit them on the Ass....

I never claimed he was saved, nor has he! Yet how long ago was the quote? Keep in mind that Saul, (Later called Paul) led mobs to kill Christians early on in the Book of Acts. Do we stand in judgement of his actions and say after he becomes a Christian... but, but, but you did this last year! Can I give any better proof that Paul was never a Christian?

Many people have "faith" yet are "not yet" Christians. Tonight, he appealed to God frequently; perhaps God is working on him. Scripture says to pray for our leaders.

 

[Rita]

We have several members here who support Trump. How exactly is it manifesting "fundamental decency" towards them for the first words out of your mouth on this forum to be, "take your seat near the back and assess yourselves," under the obvious assumption that they never have before?

I have to address this HIH - since being a part of this forum I have observed that if anyone says anything negative about Trump they are bounced on - I am one of those people. I have also assessed things, from different prospectives. So where is the equal decency towards them within this forum. I realise that you are addressing a ‘ first post ‘ and I get that, but some of us have been posting for quite a few years and we still are not given that decency with regards to expressing our thoughts and opinions.
Rita

 

[K9Buck]

It worked in the UK - it was rooted in the common concern for the well-being of those who were less fortunate . At the time many went without health care because they didn’t have the income. I have always been incredibly grateful for the NHS and I don’t recent paying my NH contribution from my wages each month.
I do dislike it when others from other countries come here and get instant access though - so it does have its issues x
Rita

I have NO PROBLEM kicking in to help people that are incapable of working. With that said, in the U.S., we have had private healthcare forever. And then the American left decided that we needed to let people stop working and force working citizens to pay for their healthcare.

For YEARS, Americans paid for their own healthcare through private insurance plans and it was the best in the WORLD. Then, the left changed all that.

The left also supports open borders, unlimited immigration and they want working Americans to pay for their existence. That's slavery.

Again, I ask, how am I responsible to pay for another able-bodied person's healthcare?

 

[K9Buck]

Trump has stated on record for the world to see that he has NEVER asked for Forgiveness because he has done nothing to ask Forgiveness

Unless you have video of Trump saying such a thing, then it never happened.

 

[Taken]

But after four years at a University, educated people know that the reason Socialism has always failed is that no one has ever done it right! They say "trust me! I can make it work!"

Right!

 

[Taken]

Trump has stated on record for the world to see

What Record? LOL!

that he has NEVER asked for Forgiveness because he has done nothing to ask Forgiveness “ FOR”. Wow.
Can one ever give a better proof that he is Lost?

LOL...
Can't pseudo Christians make up their minds?
What Trump says is Proof Positive?
Everything Trump says is not True?

Never forget that Fidel Castro also claimed to be a “ Christian”

Actually...
Castro and Hitler were both baptized Catholics.

.....Trump and Castro have two things in common—— they would not know Christianity if it came up and bit them on the Ass....

And you? A model Christian, whose post is about gossip and ass biting? Thanks for sharing, it's been enlightening! LOL

 

[Taken]

Would Jesus Wear a Red Maga hat?

You wrote a essay, wondering what Jesus would or would not wear?
Why?

There is division among Christians.

Not news. Jesus stated some 2,000+ years ago He came to cause Division.

Some insist that Trump is a Christian hero standing for religious rights. At the same time, others

Some and others...Divided...
Proof positive...Jesus Accomplished - Division.

this powerful man pledged to defend them. And in doing so, he has made great strides.

Actually A Presidental Pledge in the US is to Defend the US Constitution.

Trump's religious beliefs are not even relevant

True.

nor even equivalent as those of Christians;

Irrelevant.

A vast majority of evangelical Christians have lined up behind Trump;

Irrelevant.

There's little outward sign of any religious devotion on Trump's part.

Irrelevant.

Christian figures, writers, and preachers, including many Canadians churchgoers, have defended his good Christian intentions and insisted that he is not just an ally of evangelical Christians but also a true believer.

Irrelevant.

But a few prominent evangelicals have remained deeply critical of Trump.

Irrelevant.

Christians portray themselves as being an oppressed minority that needs a strongman to liberate them.

Converted Christians I know, already know they are among the Few and already Have a strongman...they call Him Lord Jesus.

Why are so many Christians loyal to this president,

Well...- It is Simple really..
* Converted Christians Have their Religious Faith IN Christ Secure.
* American Converted Christians had their Civil hope in Trump, and he has proved himself to accomplish many things for the benefit of all Americans.

a man that is so transparently not Christ-like?

It's Not Christ-like...???
To be a charitable giver?
To curb the government Taking what people earn?
To create thousands of jobs and employ thousands of people, so they may Provide for their families?
To institute measures to curb illegal activity?
To seek measures to stop sending Americans to foreign battlefields?

He lies, he cons, and he incites racism. He would do anything to further his selfish interests.

Those are charges you level personally at Trump...
But...why stop there at accusations?

Since you have Personally charged Trump...
Give us Your Personal Response ...
What exactly did;
Trump lie TO You about?
How did Trump con You?
How did Trump incite You TO be racist?
What exactly is Trumps Selfish interest that has affected You so negatively?

I have not experienced Any of those things...
But Apparently YOU HAVE, Right?
Surely you are not making False Personal charges....being a Christian as you say...

So tell us all about how Trump has so negatively Affected You...???

Jesus preached love, forgiveness, humility and acceptance;

Uh huh. And and what is your point?
You are Christ- like? And have come here to express your loving, forgiving, humble acceptance of Trump???
Or complain because others have?

Finally, I am in favour of fundamental decency and kindness. Everyone is worthy of simple human respect.

Everyone? And How exactly does a Christian, such as yourself display fundamental decency, kindness and respect...that you say Everyone is worthy of?

Trump is crude, condescending and despicable.

Ask yourselves, If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he be donning a red MAGA hat?

If Jesus were walking the Earth today ... I would be more interested in His response to You Talking out of both sides of your mouth, as Jesus Commented to the Pharisees' who talked out of both sides of their mouths...
What was that Jesus called them???
Oh right...Hypocrites.

You have more to consider...then what Jesus might be wearing.

 

[Giuliano]

I have to address this HIH - since being a part of this forum I have observed that if anyone says anything negative about Trump they are bounced on - I am one of those people. I have also assessed things, from different prospectives. So where is the equal decency towards them within this forum. I realise that you are addressing a ‘ first post ‘ and I get that, but some of us have been posting for quite a few years and we still are not given that decency with regards to expressing our thoughts and opinions.
Rita

And then the same people who jump on you complain about how they are censored. Go ahead, smile or even laugh -- or you could get depressed or angry. . . .

The sad thing is that Trump sets this tone of intolerance, and he had some really good people working for him, but he got heavy-handed and got his feelings hurt when they didn't agree with him. Now he's surrounded by flatterers who make him feel good about himself but who don't tell him the truth he should know.

I don't see how Melania lives with him. Look at what she said in her speech to the convention:

Melania Trump says US deserves 'total honesty' from president despite husband’s 20,000 untruths in office

“We all know Donald Trump makes no secrets about how he feels about things. Total honesty is what we as citizens deserve from our president, whether you like it or not, you always know what he is thinking.”

But the first lady’s comments about her husband’s “honesty” will have bemused fact-checkers at the Washington Post. Just over a month ago, the team revealed that the president had made 20,000 false or misleading claims since assuming office in 2017.​

I looked at her statement from the personal angle. How could she be serious? Did Donald tell her about his affairs when he was cheating on her? I think I have it figured out now: She says whatever she has to say to keep the peace, even if that means she lies telling us how he's so honest. Oh my!

 

[John Caldwell]

A few days ago I wrote the following essay which can be found here https://www.verticalpathway.com/post/ask-yourself-the-following-question

The purpose was to as Christians like myself this question - Would Jesus Wear a Red Maga hat?

There is division among Christians. Some insist that Trump is a Christian hero standing for religious rights. At the same time, others who counter that evangelical Christians have entered into a corrupt yet beneficial pact with a depraved leader whose affinities are dictatorial, not religious. And that's primarily what Christians in the United States did. Believing they were under assault, and this powerful man pledged to defend them. And in doing so, he has made great strides.

Trump's religious beliefs are not even relevant nor even equivalent as those of Christians; his value proposition is being a protector, not as a model to be emulated. A vast majority of evangelical Christians have lined up behind Trump; Trump has repaid them with constant attention to abortion and religious liberties. There's little outward sign of any religious devotion on Trump's part. Still, leading Christian figures, writers, and preachers, including many Canadians churchgoers, have defended his good Christian intentions and insisted that he is not just an ally of evangelical Christians but also a true believer.

But a few prominent evangelicals have remained deeply critical of Trump. They contend that Trump displays zero signs of Christian faith or morality and that Christians who align themselves with this president are making a crude deal with a flawed man to reach the safe refuge. Christians portray themselves as being an oppressed minority that needs a strongman to liberate them. This is by which Trump has encouraged evangelicals to see themselves. He has handled evangelicalism as an interest group requiring protection and elevation.

Why are so many Christians loyal to this president, a man that is so transparently not Christ-like? He lies, he cons, and he incites racism. He would do anything to further his selfish interests. Jesus preached love, forgiveness, humility and acceptance; Trump is the root of selfishness, narcissism, hate and divisiveness. He is simply the worst example of Christian values. Trump's connection is rooted in the abortion issue, which governs all everyday Christian voters.

Because Trump and his Republican followers remain on the anti-abortion side of the aisle, they consider themselves as the defenders of Christian principles.

As a Christian, I find it challenging to comprehend how those who encourage love, acceptance and the equal protection of every member of society neglect to understand that there is more to being "pro-life" than merely standing against abortion.

I am in favour of gun control. How can we state we care about the sanctity of human life while doing nothing to reduce the rising rates of gun violence in the US? Unrestricted access to guns is not "pro-life." Our gun laws might not be perfect here in Canada, but I'm certainly proud of what is in place.

I am in favour of universal health care. This is a fundamental human right. If you genuinely value the sanctity of all human life, the availability of affordable healthcare for all people is a must. Thank God we have universal health care in Canada.

You can't be "pro-life" without believing we must take care of this planet, which sustains all life as we know it. Shouldn't we all be good stewards of this planet?

Finally, I am in favour of fundamental decency and kindness. Everyone is worthy of simple human respect.

Christians believe that everyone is a unique creation of God. In contrast, Trump is crude, condescending and despicable. Constant disrespect towards other people isn't consistent with respect for life.

No one individual or political party has a monopoly on Christian values. There are good Christians on both sides of the aisle Democrat/Liberal and Republic/Conservative, but it is quite clear that the party more closely aligned with Christian beliefs is not the party of Trump. Christians who endorse Trump continue to distance themselves from the very heart of Jesus' teachings.

So, I say to church leaders, elders, and preachers who consistently lift Trump as chosen by God now is the time to take your seat near the back and assess yourselves.


Ask yourselves, If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he be donning a red MAGA hat?

Ephesians 6:10

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.

I think there are two issues.

Some look at Trump as the embodiment of Christian values. This is wrong, IMHO. We do not know a man's heart, and we certainly do not know a politician's heart. Trump has pandered to Christians.

But Trump has pandered to Christians. The platform he advances is in many ways aligned with Christian values (even if the man himself is pandering).

His platform and actions have not been anti-Christian. In the US we the other large party is the Democrat party. Their platform is anti-Christian on many points. PPeople can disagree with Trump, but his policies are not anti-Christian.

It is sad, but in the US the GOP has the only platform that has a shread of morality (I do not trust any of the politians.... just looking at platforms).

 

[Giuliano]

I think there are two issues.

Some look at Trump as the embodiment of Christian values. This is wrong, IMHO. We do not know a man's heart, and we certainly do not know a politician's heart. Trump has pandered to Christians.

But Trump has pandered to Christians. The platform he advances is in many ways aligned with Christian values (even if the man himself is pandering).

His platform and actions have not been anti-Christian. In the US we the other large party is the Democrat party. Their platform is anti-Christian on many points. PPeople can disagree with Trump, but his policies are not anti-Christian.

It is sad, but in the US the GOP has the only platform that has a shread of morality (I do not trust any of the politians.... just looking at platforms).

In the long run, I think Trump's kind of pandering harms Christianity. There appears to be an effort by Trump supporters to paint anyone who doesn't support him as an atheist, a Communist or socialist, or maybe even someone being controlled by demons. I think that portrays Christians as intolerant and aiming for political control -- and some of the ministers who support him brag about their influence. If I wasn't a Christian, that kind of behavior would make me want to run away from Christianity as fast as I could.

I can't say there is a connection; but Bibles made the news twice recently. Trump held one up, and a protester burned one. Are they connected? They could be. Someone who hates Trump thinks burning Bibles is a way of showing it. Attacks on churches are up -- could that be by people who hate Trump? I don't know. I see both sides as being wrong -- and I can see how they feed each other. The more Trump waves the Bible, the more other people want to burn Bibles and attack churches; and the more they do that, the more Christians feel threatened and hope Trump will save them.

It seems more bad news comes about Jerry Falwell Jr. daily. He touted Trump in 2016 and was instrumental in getting Trump elected. Now he's enmeshed in his own scandal -- a sex scandal too like Trump was. Paula White, another Trump supporter, had her three marriages and sex scandal. Sorry but those kind of ministers are not helping Christianity.

Recently too, we saw how many churches got money from the government. They were called "businesses." Paula White got on the phone and called Trump supporting ministers to make sure they knew they could get money. It reeks. I want churches that are independent of the government, not churches that act like prostitutes, spreading their legs for the rulers of this world. We're on a slippery slope. It's not as bad as it was in Germany; but we should remember Hitler got support from the Catholics and Lutherans by giving them money for their schools. Churches should not bow down to the state so they get favors.

 

[Yan]

A few days ago I wrote the following essay which can be found here https://www.verticalpathway.com/post/ask-yourself-the-following-question

The purpose was to as Christians like myself this question - Would Jesus Wear a Red Maga hat?

There is division among Christians. Some insist that Trump is a Christian hero standing for religious rights. At the same time, others who counter that evangelical Christians have entered into a corrupt yet beneficial pact with a depraved leader whose affinities are dictatorial, not religious. And that's primarily what Christians in the United States did. Believing they were under assault, and this powerful man pledged to defend them. And in doing so, he has made great strides.

Trump's religious beliefs are not even relevant nor even equivalent as those of Christians; his value proposition is being a protector, not as a model to be emulated. A vast majority of evangelical Christians have lined up behind Trump; Trump has repaid them with constant attention to abortion and religious liberties. There's little outward sign of any religious devotion on Trump's part. Still, leading Christian figures, writers, and preachers, including many Canadians churchgoers, have defended his good Christian intentions and insisted that he is not just an ally of evangelical Christians but also a true believer.

But a few prominent evangelicals have remained deeply critical of Trump. They contend that Trump displays zero signs of Christian faith or morality and that Christians who align themselves with this president are making a crude deal with a flawed man to reach the safe refuge. Christians portray themselves as being an oppressed minority that needs a strongman to liberate them. This is by which Trump has encouraged evangelicals to see themselves. He has handled evangelicalism as an interest group requiring protection and elevation.

Why are so many Christians loyal to this president, a man that is so transparently not Christ-like? He lies, he cons, and he incites racism. He would do anything to further his selfish interests. Jesus preached love, forgiveness, humility and acceptance; Trump is the root of selfishness, narcissism, hate and divisiveness. He is simply the worst example of Christian values. Trump's connection is rooted in the abortion issue, which governs all everyday Christian voters.

Because Trump and his Republican followers remain on the anti-abortion side of the aisle, they consider themselves as the defenders of Christian principles.

As a Christian, I find it challenging to comprehend how those who encourage love, acceptance and the equal protection of every member of society neglect to understand that there is more to being "pro-life" than merely standing against abortion.

I am in favour of gun control. How can we state we care about the sanctity of human life while doing nothing to reduce the rising rates of gun violence in the US? Unrestricted access to guns is not "pro-life." Our gun laws might not be perfect here in Canada, but I'm certainly proud of what is in place.

I am in favour of universal health care. This is a fundamental human right. If you genuinely value the sanctity of all human life, the availability of affordable healthcare for all people is a must. Thank God we have universal health care in Canada.

You can't be "pro-life" without believing we must take care of this planet, which sustains all life as we know it. Shouldn't we all be good stewards of this planet?

Finally, I am in favour of fundamental decency and kindness. Everyone is worthy of simple human respect.

Christians believe that everyone is a unique creation of God. In contrast, Trump is crude, condescending and despicable. Constant disrespect towards other people isn't consistent with respect for life.

No one individual or political party has a monopoly on Christian values. There are good Christians on both sides of the aisle Democrat/Liberal and Republic/Conservative, but it is quite clear that the party more closely aligned with Christian beliefs is not the party of Trump. Christians who endorse Trump continue to distance themselves from the very heart of Jesus' teachings.

So, I say to church leaders, elders, and preachers who consistently lift Trump as chosen by God now is the time to take your seat near the back and assess yourselves.


Ask yourselves, If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he be donning a red MAGA hat?

Ephesians 6:10

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.

Indeed, if the nation are "pro-life" then why did they promote pornography to include in their first amandemen ?
It obviously the works of the devil, "pro-life" in birthing of the prodigal sons. Do they had in purpose to do that, so that will rise many "disposable soul" to pay what they called as blood debts to their gods of Arabian ?

 

[Hidden In Him]

I have to address this HIH - since being a part of this forum I have observed that if anyone says anything negative about Trump they are bounced on - I am one of those people. I have also assessed things, from different prospectives. So where is the equal decency towards them within this forum. I realise that you are addressing a ‘ first post ‘ and I get that, but some of us have been posting for quite a few years and we still are not given that decency with regards to expressing our thoughts and opinions.
Rita

Yeah, it mostly has to do with someone joining a forum and immediately acting superior by talking down to people. Anyone who can pull that one off strikes me as being pompous at best, whether their post is well-worded or not.

When it comes to established members who have become solid contributors, I have always demonstrated all the decency I was capable of towards them, and that goes for any subject.

But showing up and immediately taking a "holier than thou" stance while peddling their own website on Post #1? Let's put it this way: I would have no problems with Pro-Biden members here jumping on someone if the first words they posted were that Biden-supporters needed to go hang their head in shame and "assess" themselves.

As for the behavior of other established members here who are Trump people, I don't know that I could ever police everything that gets posted here, Rita. I usually only have time for doing so when it involves something that is either over-the-top egregious or a personal affront, although there have been instances when I have defended someone's right to speak their minds even though I personally did not agree with them. I recall Bukka was really rubbing everyone the wrong way when he first joined - I think over a Trump issue as a matter of fact - and I jumped in to defend his right. But the above "contributor" in the OP strikes me as being a snob, and I have no intentions of letting it slide when someone joins this community and immediately insinuates that they are morally and intellectually superior to me.

They will find out otherwise.

 

[Giuliano]

Yeah, it mostly has to do with someone joining a forum and immediately acting superior by talking down to people. Anyone who can pull that one off strikes me as being pompous at best, whether their post is well-worded or not.

When it comes to established members who have become solid contributors, I have always demonstrated all the decency I was capable of towards them, and that goes for any subject.

But showing up and immediately taking a "holier than thou" stance while peddling their own website on Post #1? Let's put it this way: I would have no problems with Pro-Biden members here jumping on someone if the first words they posted were that Biden-supporters needed to go hang their head in shame and "assess" themselves.

As for the behavior of other established members here who are Trump people, I don't know that I could ever police everything that gets posted here, Rita. I usually only have time for doing so when it involves something that is either over-the-top egregious or a personal affront, although there have been instances when I have defended someone's right to speak their minds even though I personally did not agree with them. I recall Bukka was really rubbing everyone the wrong way when he first joined - I think over a Trump issue as a matter of fact - and I jumped in to defend his right. But the above "contributor" in the OP strikes me as being a snob, and I have no intentions of letting it slide when someone joins this community and immediately insinuates that they are morally and intellectually superior to me.

They will find out otherwise.

I wonder if we should expect a flood of new members showing up more for political reasons than anything else? I can see people on both sides doing it. Who knows? I raise an eyebrow myself when a relatively new member posts links to his site or You Tube channel. I can't be sure what's going on, but it makes me wonder.