Would Jesus Wear a red Maga hat?

[Candidus]

It must be that degree in Thinkology!

 

[historyb]

We have several members here who support Trump. How exactly is it manifesting "fundamental decency" towards them for the first words out of your mouth on this forum to be, "take your seat near the back and assess yourselves," under the obvious assumption that they never have before?

Exactly. Makes it seem like the OP thinks he is better than anyone else. LONG LIVE TRUMP

 

[historyb]

Enough said. Another deluded Canadian who thinks he would be better off under Xi Jinping than Donald Trump.

Maybe he should go there and leave us alone. I am sure Kim Jung Un needs some more slaves and this OP is more than welcome to go there and get away from us freedom lovers.

 

[kcnalp]

Exactly. Makes it seem like the OP thinks he is better than anyone else. LONG LIVE TRUMP

It's amazing how the baby murdering Dems accuse others of being so wicked.

 

[K9Buck]

Why are so many Christians loyal to this president, a man that is so transparently not Christ-like? He lies, he cons, and he incites racism. He would do anything to further his selfish interests.

You're off the deep-end with this.

I take it you're voting for Biden, a guy who is neck-deep in corruption having stolen huge sums of money from the American people through his schemes in Ukraine and China when he was president. I take it that you're an atheist as well. It seems that you have been blinded to many truths.

Corinthians 2:12

 

[K9Buck]

I am in favour of gun control. How can we state we care about the sanctity of human life while doing nothing to reduce the rising rates of gun violence in the US?

America doesn't have a gun problem; America has a crime problem with most of it stemming from Godless, leftist communities managed by the types of politicians that you support.

 

[K9Buck]

There are good Christians on both sides of the aisle...

Anyone who supports abortion is NOT a true follower of Christ and, therefore, is NOT a true Christian.

 

[kcnalp]

America doesn't have a gun problem; America has a crime problem with most of it stemming from Godless, leftist communities managed by the types of politicians that you support.

"I am in favour of gun control." which means the Left wants to take away guns from decent people. Meanwhile the MONSTERS on the Left would still have their guns.

 

[K9Buck]

I am in favour of universal health care. This is a fundamental human right.

Why do you believe that I am indentured to work to pay for your healthcare? How did I earn that debt?

 

[K9Buck]

"I am in favour of gun control." which means the Left wants to take away guns from decent people. Meanwhile the MONSTERS on the Left would still have their guns.

Leftists frequently claim that "Nobody is trying to take your guns". Then I ask them the following: If leftists are ok with people having guns, why then is it next to impossible to obtain a conceal-carry permit in leftist jurisdictions? It's usually crickets thereafter.

 

[K9Buck]

Trump is caustic. He has a big mouth and often says/tweets some dumb remarks. However, I believe that his heart is in the right place. He ran on a platform of putting Americans first. Obama spent 8 years putting Americans LAST. It's refreshing to have a pro-American president.

The bottom line is that the Obama economy under-performed. If you disagree with that remark, then please explain why voters in swing states, who previously voted for Obama (twice), instead voted for Trump rather than maintain the status quo with Hillary?

The fact is, Trump is BETTER for the standard of living of both poor and middle-class Americans.

 

[Davy]

A few days ago I wrote the following essay which can be found here https://www.verticalpathway.com/post/ask-yourself-the-following-question

The purpose was to as Christians like myself this question - Would Jesus Wear a Red Maga hat?

There is division among Christians. Some insist that Trump is a Christian hero standing for religious rights. At the same time, others who counter that evangelical Christians have entered into a corrupt yet beneficial pact with a depraved leader whose affinities are dictatorial, not religious. And that's primarily what Christians in the United States did. Believing they were under assault, and this powerful man pledged to defend them. And in doing so, he has made great strides.

Trump's religious beliefs are not even relevant nor even equivalent as those of Christians; his value proposition is being a protector, not as a model to be emulated. A vast majority of evangelical Christians have lined up behind Trump; Trump has repaid them with constant attention to abortion and religious liberties. There's little outward sign of any religious devotion on Trump's part. Still, leading Christian figures, writers, and preachers, including many Canadians churchgoers, have defended his good Christian intentions and insisted that he is not just an ally of evangelical Christians but also a true believer.

But a few prominent evangelicals have remained deeply critical of Trump. They contend that Trump displays zero signs of Christian faith or morality and that Christians who align themselves with this president are making a crude deal with a flawed man to reach the safe refuge. Christians portray themselves as being an oppressed minority that needs a strongman to liberate them. This is by which Trump has encouraged evangelicals to see themselves. He has handled evangelicalism as an interest group requiring protection and elevation.

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Thanks for letting us all know you're fishin' on the Left side of the boat. Jesus said to fish out of the RIGHT side of the boat.

Abortion is about aborting babies, especially for usage of their carcasses in stem cell research. If that doesn't stir a sense of morality on that issue to stop it, then you aren't a Christian interested in protecting the right to life.

As for gun control, that issue was decided a long, long time ago per the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The RIGHT of the people to bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED, that's what it says. If you don't like a country which has a Constitution that abides by that right of the people, then maybe you ought to think about leaving and going to another country that does prevent citizens from owning and carrying firearms. And before the 2nd Amendment came into existence, Jesus even decided on that matter long ago too in Luke 22 when He told His disciples going out on the open road to go buy a sword if they didn't have one. These are God-given rights to God's people I'm speaking of, inalienable rights that no man dare take away.

Trying to remove those God-given rights is the attempt to come in between God and man, essentially attempting to replace God. No true Christian would ever agree to doing that, no matter how much they hate someone like Trump.

And just because someone says... they are a Christian doesn't necessarily mean it's so, as it was revealed in 1958 the Communist strategy to infiltrate the Christian Church and replace revealed religion with 'social religion' (per the 1958 book The Naked Communist by 16 year FBI agent Cleon Skousen). So the reality is that Communist goals and principles do NOT belong in Christ's Church. And that means Christ's Church is NEVER LEFTIST.

So you represent an 'oxymoron', one who claims this or that, but actually shows you are following the principles of Christ's enemies.

 

[kcnalp]

Thanks for letting us all know you're fishin' on the Left side of the boat. Jesus said to fish out of the RIGHT side of the boat.

Abortion is about aborting babies, especially for usage of their carcasses in stem cell research. If that doesn't stir a sense of morality on that issue to stop it, then you aren't a Christian interested in protecting the right to life.

As for gun control, that issue was decided a long, long time ago per the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The RIGHT of the people to bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED, that's what it says. If you don't like a country which has a Constitution that abides by that right of the people, then maybe you ought to think about leaving and going to another country that does prevent citizens from owning and carrying firearms. And before the 2nd Amendment came into existence, Jesus even decided on that matter long ago too in Luke 22 when He told His disciples going out on the open road to go buy a sword if they didn't have one.

The Left is a bunch of baby murdering MONSTERS, as bad or worse than Hitler and Stalin!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

A few days ago I wrote the following essay which can be found here https://www.verticalpathway.com/post/ask-yourself-the-following-question

The purpose was to as Christians like myself this question - Would Jesus Wear a Red Maga hat?

There is division among Christians. Some insist that Trump is a Christian hero standing for religious rights. At the same time, others who counter that evangelical Christians have entered into a corrupt yet beneficial pact with a depraved leader whose affinities are dictatorial, not religious. And that's primarily what Christians in the United States did. Believing they were under assault, and this powerful man pledged to defend them. And in doing so, he has made great strides.

Trump's religious beliefs are not even relevant nor even equivalent as those of Christians; his value proposition is being a protector, not as a model to be emulated. A vast majority of evangelical Christians have lined up behind Trump; Trump has repaid them with constant attention to abortion and religious liberties. There's little outward sign of any religious devotion on Trump's part. Still, leading Christian figures, writers, and preachers, including many Canadians churchgoers, have defended his good Christian intentions and insisted that he is not just an ally of evangelical Christians but also a true believer.

But a few prominent evangelicals have remained deeply critical of Trump. They contend that Trump displays zero signs of Christian faith or morality and that Christians who align themselves with this president are making a crude deal with a flawed man to reach the safe refuge. Christians portray themselves as being an oppressed minority that needs a strongman to liberate them. This is by which Trump has encouraged evangelicals to see themselves. He has handled evangelicalism as an interest group requiring protection and elevation.

Why are so many Christians loyal to this president, a man that is so transparently not Christ-like? He lies, he cons, and he incites racism. He would do anything to further his selfish interests. Jesus preached love, forgiveness, humility and acceptance; Trump is the root of selfishness, narcissism, hate and divisiveness. He is simply the worst example of Christian values. Trump's connection is rooted in the abortion issue, which governs all everyday Christian voters.

Because Trump and his Republican followers remain on the anti-abortion side of the aisle, they consider themselves as the defenders of Christian principles.

As a Christian, I find it challenging to comprehend how those who encourage love, acceptance and the equal protection of every member of society neglect to understand that there is more to being "pro-life" than merely standing against abortion.

I am in favour of gun control. How can we state we care about the sanctity of human life while doing nothing to reduce the rising rates of gun violence in the US? Unrestricted access to guns is not "pro-life." Our gun laws might not be perfect here in Canada, but I'm certainly proud of what is in place.

I am in favour of universal health care. This is a fundamental human right. If you genuinely value the sanctity of all human life, the availability of affordable healthcare for all people is a must. Thank God we have universal health care in Canada.

You can't be "pro-life" without believing we must take care of this planet, which sustains all life as we know it. Shouldn't we all be good stewards of this planet?

Finally, I am in favour of fundamental decency and kindness. Everyone is worthy of simple human respect.

Christians believe that everyone is a unique creation of God. In contrast, Trump is crude, condescending and despicable. Constant disrespect towards other people isn't consistent with respect for life.

No one individual or political party has a monopoly on Christian values. There are good Christians on both sides of the aisle Democrat/Liberal and Republic/Conservative, but it is quite clear that the party more closely aligned with Christian beliefs is not the party of Trump. Christians who endorse Trump continue to distance themselves from the very heart of Jesus' teachings.

So, I say to church leaders, elders, and preachers who consistently lift Trump as chosen by God now is the time to take your seat near the back and assess yourselves.


Ask yourselves, If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he be donning a red MAGA hat?

Ephesians 6:10

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.

Are you aware that there are plenty of other Trump-bashing threads on this forum? Why do we need another one?

I don't see any Americans starting Trudeau-bashing threads. Maybe you could start one of those. Just saying.

 

[K9Buck]

In any event, no, Jesus would not wear a MAGA hat and neither will I because, if I'm going to publicly support someone, it will be Jesus.

 

[Davy]

The Left is a bunch of baby murdering MONSTERS, as bad or worse than Hitler and Stalin!

Basically, yes. It's because of their fleshy theology. Communism-Atheism doesn't believe God exists, so they interpret evil to be just as natural as good. This is why Nazi scientists had no moral problems torturing their captives to death just to see how much pain they could inflict before the subject died. Their minds being godless, all things are brought down to simple laboratory experiment level. That is how they see the world, strictly materialistic. This is why the Communist-Socialist strategy is so meticulous with their rule over the working class like in 1984. Like former senator and actor Fred Thompson said in the movie Red October, that the Russians (Communists) don't go to the bathroom without a plan.

Because that system is a system for the 'dead', meaning those who are literally spiritually 'dead' inside, it is subject to perish in the "lake of fire" along with those who keep it.

 

[Giuliano]

There is division among Christians. Some insist that Trump is a Christian hero standing for religious rights. At the same time, others who counter that evangelical Christians have entered into a corrupt yet beneficial pact with a depraved leader whose affinities are dictatorial, not religious. And that's primarily what Christians in the United States did. Believing they were under assault, and this powerful man pledged to defend them. And in doing so, he has made great strides.

Trump's religious beliefs are not even relevant nor even equivalent as those of Christians; his value proposition is being a protector, not as a model to be emulated. A vast majority of evangelical Christians have lined up behind Trump; Trump has repaid them with constant attention to abortion and religious liberties. There's little outward sign of any religious devotion on Trump's part. Still, leading Christian figures, writers, and preachers, including many Canadians churchgoers, have defended his good Christian intentions and insisted that he is not just an ally of evangelical Christians but also a true believer.

It's as if a spirit of fear has gripped many people. Here's a clip of something Jim Bakker said recently. He admits he's afraid.

 

[Giuliano]

Have you seen how he has been vilified day after day?

What I have seen is Trump vilifying people who have disagreements with him. Some of his supporters sometimes do it too. Your post is a case in point. That kind of talk is not going to heal divisions. It makes things worse.

A real leader does not spend his time on Twitter responding to every little thing that he finds insulting. A real leader can ignore insults when they come his way. When Trump responds to a black politician angrily, it makes other blacks think he hates all black people. So it goes. He alienates people all the time. It may make amusing melodrama for people who enjoy reality TV shows, but it's no way to run a country. A smart politician understands what Solomon wrote:

Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

You can't win everyone over with soft words, but you can win a lot over. Trump doesn't know how. He takes things too personally. If AOC says something unpleasant about him, why respond at all? Why not find another Latino that he can say something nice about? When he responds angrily to her, he's playing her game and losing the support of Latinos. You and he can blame her for it, but he doesn't have to play along.

 

[Giuliano]

Abortion is about aborting babies, especially for usage of their carcasses in stem cell research. If that doesn't stir a sense of morality on that issue to stop it, then you aren't a Christian interested in protecting the right to life.

How about using stem cells from a baby to make vaccines? The Trump administration gave money to people doing that.

 

[Candidus]

How about using stem cells from a baby to make vaccines? The Trump administration gave money to people doing that.

Placenta stem cells are viable in most cases; I would have to see credible proof that such research would be inhibited without.

Hey, I was not happy with Trump on the 2nd Amendment infringement on Bump-Stocks, and his early opinion about Red Flag Laws that would violate the 4th Amendment. His bailing out on the Kurds was a bad message to our allies. Yes, he says some dumb things in many of his tweets... but if that is all I disagree with over 4 years, I would say that he has done better than any President in my lifetime (besides maybe Reagan).

We are dealing with a President, not a Pope; politics and not religion. As such, Christians may not like all that a politician says or does, but I believe in the case of Trump, the moral imperative is clear... Trump is the best choice this time around.