I'm a Christian and I support the legality of same-sex marriage

[Grailhunter]

If Trump wins again don't be surprised if the Left tries to burn America to the ground!

Oath of political office
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion and that I will well and faithful discharge the duties of the office of which I am about to enter: So help me God.

Oath of citizenship
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

They want to call it a revolution ...take up arms against the United States.....burn it down!....attempt to establish anarchy and mob rule...go for it! No more rubber bullets and teargas.....full auto! As Thomas Jefferson said, an occasional revolution is a good thing!

I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Thomas Jefferson ~~ Monticello

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, it took some time for the culture of Christendom to deteriorate, but the fruit of rebellion, is always rebellion...

Lord Jesus,
For the sake of your sorrowful passion,
Have mercy on us, and on the whole world!

I am jealous of your beard!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Of course, the atheists, secularists, evolutionists, etc do not want us to have any say in the government of our country because if we do it will upset the apple cart for them as they will not be able legally to indulge in soul-destroying sins which affect everyone.

We were told that if we legalized same-sex marriage that would only be the beginning. Of course, the Gaystapo who are specialists in lying said all we want is the right to get married. Behind closed doors, they said this is only the beginning. What we are planning is the total destruction of the family as we know it and to make anything sexual legal so that there is no such thing as illegal sex.

As is the case today, we believed the lies and ignored the truth. NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association has petitioned the government and asked that Man-Boy love be legalized because they were born that way so it should not be illegal.

I tell you now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Won't be long before there is a fight to make incest legal.

Well incest is one I do not worry too much about. Other than genetically transmitting familial diseases, there was no prohibition on incest until the Law of Moses!

But bestiality has already had a stamp of approval by many members of the American Psychiatric Association. We as believers need to do what we have always been commanded to do! Glorify the Lord, exalt His name, and encourage good laws be passes in the lands where people have a voice in govt. The darkness is going to get far worse, Scripture has told us that. The closer we get to the day the Lord recalls the church home, the worse we can expect it.

So all we need to do is what we always have needed to do, be about our Fathers business.

 

[Philip James]

I am jealous of your beard!

Lol dont be, I shaved it off in April... Will start growing it again in late Sept..

(Its my winter fur )

Peace!

 

[Grailhunter]

Lol dont be, I shaved it off in April... Will start growing it again in late Sept..

(Its my winter fur )

Peace!

Well it does not look like a Quaker or Amish. A little mountain man...which is good. Hope all is good with you and yours.

 

[liafailrock]

I support freedom and personal choice. I do not want to live under a theocracy. Therefore, religious doctrine should NOT be used to regulate another's behavior, such as same-sex relations or marriage. I DO support laws that protect being victimized by another. For example, murder, assault, abortion, etc. should be ILLEGAL because they adversely affect an innocent, third-party. Same-sex marriage does not.

Frankly, the government should NOT be in the marriage "business". Why should citizens have to pay a fee to the government to get a marriage license? State governments should get OUT. Then, two consenting, competent adults can get "married" within their private organization and they can tell us everyone they're "married" and we can choose to recognize it or ignore it. Courts can continue to deal with marital issues as they are the arbitrator for all sorts of contracts, including marriage.

As well, I will remind my Christian friends that, God gave us free will to make our own choices. Who are we to restrict another's free will by imposing laws against behavior that doesn't affect us in the slightest? While we're at it, I also believe that prostitution, drug use and gambling should also be legal.

Those are your ideas. How about giving God glory in His laws and ways? Keep in mind the bible was the bible long before you were born, so who are you to say what is right and wrong when the Lord already defined it? Was the world waiting for you to be born to interpret such Laws? Maybe cut yourself down a few notches, become humble, repent, and don't start such threads.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Do you believe in individual liberty? Do you believe in separation of church and state? Opposing the legality of same-sex marriage defies both of those concepts.

There is no such thing as the separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase, but it isn't in the constitution. What is in the constitution is the establishment clause which disallows the establishment of a state religion (as in England at the time of the American revolution.) If you read the opinions of the writers of the constitution, you'll find most believed that the nation wouldn't survive without a firm rooting in religion (and most of them were free Masons first, Christians second.)

 

[Grailhunter]

There is no such thing as the separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase, but it isn't in the constitution. What is in the constitution is the establishment clause which disallows the establishment of a state religion (as in England at the time of the American revolution.) If you read the opinions of the writers of the constitution, you'll find most believed that the nation wouldn't survive without a firm rooting in religion (and most of them were free Masons first, Christians second.)

I love it when people like to mince words in an attempt to deceive. What is the bill of rights in relation to the Constitution?
It is called the First Amendment for a reason....not an alienated document.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The principle is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson’s comment on "separation between Church & State” in a letter he wrote to Danbury Baptist Association and later published in a Massachusetts newspaper.

History history history....The New World....the people of the time period knew all to well about the tyranny caused by governments that were entangled with various religions. The United States was the first government formed on the concept of freedom and liberty. During the 1700 years that passed after Christ, no Christian organization tried to form a government based on freedom and liberty. They seeked power by attaching themselves to the most powerful empire, kingdom, or government. The Puritans...Plymouth Rock...did not come to the New World for religious freedom, that came to practice their religion and opposed other denominations. They were not alone, denominations in the early colonies were bickering with one another right off the bat.

The men that formed the foundation of this country did believe in God but did not want to repeat the mistakes of others. History has proven that given enough power, religions become tyrannical and do not share power well with other denominations. Ergo the numerous wars and persecutions between Christian denominations.

So the intent was for the denominations to practice their beliefs freely without "imperial involvement" But be sure to know, in their minds, religion meant Christian...Voodoo, Islam, witchcraft, and Hinduism were not even considered religions.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I love it when people like to mince words in an attempt to deceive. What is the bill of rights in relation to the Constitution?
It is called the First Amendment for a reason....not an alienated document.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The principle is paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson’s comment on "separation between Church & State” in a letter he wrote to Danbury Baptist Association and later published in a Massachusetts newspaper.

History history history....The New World....the people of the time period knew all to well about the tyranny caused by governments that were entangled with various religions. The United States was the first government formed on the concept of freedom and liberty. During the 1700 years that passed after Christ, no Christian organization tried to form a government based on freedom and liberty. They seeked power by attaching themselves to the most powerful empire, kingdom, or government. The Puritans...Plymouth Rock...did not come to the New World for religious freedom, that came to practice their religion and opposed other denominations. They were not alone, denominations in the early colonies were bickering with one another right off the bat.

The men that formed the foundation of this country did believe in God but did not want to repeat the mistakes of others. History has proven that given enough power, religions become tyrannical and do not share power well with other denominations. Ergo the numerous wars and persecutions between Christian denominations.

So the intent was for the denominations to practice their beliefs freely without "imperial involvement" But be sure to know, in their minds, religion meant Christian...Voodoo, Islam, witchcraft, and Hinduism were not even considered religions.

What's your point? There is no mention anywhere in the constitution or Bill of rights of any separation of church and state. The establishment clause, as I said disallows the establishment of a state religion and guarantees a right of religious expression as your post indicates.

 

[Grailhunter]

What's your point? There is no mention anywhere in the constitution or Bill of rights of any separation of church and state. The establishment clause, as I said disallows the establishment of a state religion and guarantees a right of religious expression as your post indicates.

Pay attention. "There is no mention anywhere in the constitution or Bill of rights." Again, the Bill of Rights are part of the Constitution.
The Bill of Rights are a group of Amendments to the Constitution. The Constitution was ratified June 21, 1789 and then they realized that there needed to be more directed to the people so they started to add Amendments. The early Amendments and best known were ratified in 1791.

Separation of church and state is a paraphrase from Thomas Jefferson who suggested the Bill of Rights from the get go. The concept of separation of church and state is definitely what the First Amendment is addressing.

 

[michaelvpardo]

And judgment has come, not because of homosexual behavior or our fornications, or any other sin regardless of how gross, but because of the growing worldwide rejection of God and the redemption in His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus the Christ.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Pay attention. "There is no mention anywhere in the constitution or Bill of rights." Again, the Bill of Rights are part of the Constitution.
The Bill of Rights are a group of Amendments to the Constitution. The Constitution was ratified June 21, 1789 and then they realized that there needed to be more directed to the people so they started to add Amendments. The early Amendments and best known were ratified in 1791.

Separation of church and state is a paraphrase from Thomas Jefferson who suggested the Bill of Rights from the get go. The concept of separation of church and state is definitely what the First Amendment is addressing.

In your mind and certainly in that of Thomas Jefferson, but no where in those documents.

 

[Grailhunter]

In your mind and certainly in that of Thomas Jefferson, but no where in those documents.

Seriously you have to be kidding me....you are not that stupid....right!
In my mind! Is this the first time you ever heard of separation of church and state?
I do not have a good bedside manner for this depth of silly.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Seriously you have to be kidding me....you are not that stupid....right!
In my mind! Is this the first time you ever heard of separation of church and state?
I do not have a good bedside manner for this depth of silly.

Actually I'm a top 5 percenter if you place any merit in IQ tests and I'm not stupid enough to place any merit in the comments of a deist free Mason slave holder American aristocrat who was at odds with the other "founding fathers" about the innate relationship between government and God (who is the source of all, not some authority.)
So what's your excuse for your biblical ignorance?

 

[Grailhunter]

Actually I'm a top 5 percenter if you place any merit in IQ tests and I'm not stupid enough to place any merit in the comments of a deist free Mason slave holder American aristocrat who was at odds with the other "founding fathers" about the innate relationship between government and God (who is the source of all, not some authority.)
So what's your excuse for your biblical ignorance?

You appear to be one of those that have conspiracy theories instead of theology. Looking for the Zombie apocalypse or UFO to come down and get you.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I support freedom and personal choice. I do not want to live under a theocracy. Therefore, religious doctrine should NOT be used to regulate another's behavior, such as same-sex relations or marriage. I DO support laws that protect being victimized by another. For example, murder, assault, abortion, etc. should be ILLEGAL because they adversely affect an innocent, third-party. Same-sex marriage does not.

Frankly, the government should NOT be in the marriage "business". Why should citizens have to pay a fee to the government to get a marriage license? State governments should get OUT. Then, two consenting, competent adults can get "married" within their private organization and they can tell us everyone they're "married" and we can choose to recognize it or ignore it. Courts can continue to deal with marital issues as they are the arbitrator for all sorts of contracts, including marriage.

As well, I will remind my Christian friends that, God gave us free will to make our own choices. Who are we to restrict another's free will by imposing laws against behavior that doesn't affect us in the slightest? While we're at it, I also believe that prostitution, drug use and gambling should also be legal.

Brother if we are allowed to live our lives according to the desires of our flesh then Jesus died in vain. Also being born again of His Spirit is to put to death the lusts of the flesh, the old man, and to be holy as He is.

And that's my 2 cents worth.

 

[michaelvpardo]

You appear to be one of those that have conspiracy theories instead of theology. Looking for the Zombie apocalypse or UFO to come down and get you.

, but I'm not holding it against you. I'm not an historical scholar, but I've read at least a few books about the founders. I still possess one of them titled "The Politically Incorrect guide to The Founding Fathers" authored by Brion McClanahan, PhD. It addresses at least some of the farcical notions you seem to hold dear. It's a pretty thorough examination of the founding fathers to the extent that they left behind documents expressing their points of view . Quotes are referenced, a bibliography is listed with source information if you need to look deeper. I recommend it as an easy read and it's a part of the best selling P.I.G. Series. Perhaps if you gave it a read, you might learn something, but first I would suggest that you read the scriptures carefully, and believe at least what Jesus said, if not the entire book.

 

[Grailhunter]

You appear to be an idiot, but I'm not holding it against you. I'm not an historical scholar, but I've read at least a few books about the founders. I still possess one of them titled "The Politically Incorrect guide to The Founding Fathers" authored by Brion McClanahan, PhD. It addresses at least some of the farcical notions you seem to hold dear. It's a pretty thorough examination of the founding fathers to the extent that they left behind documents expressing their points of view . Quotes are referenced, a bibliography is listed with source information if you need to look deeper. I recommend it as an easy read and it's a part of the best selling P.I.G. Series. Perhaps if you gave it a read, you might learn something, but first I would suggest that you read the scriptures carefully, and believe at least what Jesus said, if not the entire book.

You done all that and have learnt nothing. You should try to get your money back. You are probably a leftist conspiracy theorist. At one time I wondered why people talk about those on the right side of politics and those on the left side of politics and then I found the answer in the the scriptures. Ecclesiastes 10:2 "A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him towards the left."

 

[michaelvpardo]

You done all that and have learnt nothing. You should try to get your money back. You are probably a leftist conspiracy theorist, maybe drugs have hurt your head. At one time I wondered why people talk about those on the right side of politics and those on the left side of politics and then I found the answer in the the scriptures. Ecclesiastes 10:2 "A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him towards the left."

Yup, Ecclesiastes, a favorite of the Masonic crowd... They just love their esoteric symbolism. Are you on the level? Solomon was not faithful to our God.
"Therefore you shall be careful to do as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left." Deuteronomy 5:32

 

[Grailhunter]

Yup, Ecclesiastes, a favorite of the Masonic crowd... They just love their esoteric symbolism. Are you on the level? Solomon was not faithful to our God.
"Therefore you shall be careful to do as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left." Deuteronomy 5:32

Are you thinking the masons came down off a UFO? Surely you have a conspiracy theory about that.