There are born again, non-Catholics (Protestants).everyone who has been 'born again' is catholic, by definition..
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BreadOfLife
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Ummmmm, how many other people do you put on "Ignore" - only to come back every other day to argue with?
You're obsessed with me . . .
Philip James
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".. All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church"
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText
Peace!
In your dreams.
I think that you think too much of yourself.
As I said, my obsession is with keeping sound doctrine as prevailing doctrine on these boards. I also have taken you off of Ignore. I figure that if you are going to be obnoxious, my ignoring you isn't going to put a stop to it; so I may as well continue addressing your posts when they are off-kilter (which is often).
BreadOfLife
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Put me on "Ignore" - take me off of "Ignore".
Put me on . . . take me off, etc.
Just make up you mind already . . .
You are off of Ignore permanently...
Just know that your self-righteous, hyper-critical, judgmental attitude is not of the Lord and is the reason why many have put you on Ignore permanently.
I think that I can work with it if you will not harden your heart at my rebukes.
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Just as long as you don't get so defensive when I expose your many lies about the Catholic Church.
Do your homework, and I won't have to expose you . . .
I don't say lies about the Catholic Church (for I did not sit down one day and say, "I think I'll make up lies about the Catholic Church and propagate them on the internet")...
You are filled with hyper-critical judgmentalism and seek to condemn those who oppose you.
So, while we are saying, "just as long as you..."
Just as long as you realize that every time you point the finger at someone else, you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42)...
Just as long as you recognize that in seeking to condemn others you are opening yourself up to being condemned by the Lord on your day of judgment (Luke 6:37).
Just as long as you realize that in calling other people liars you are not really detracting from the reality that you yourself have lied on many occasions (Romans 2:1-4); because "judgmental criticism is a well-known way of escaping detection in your own crimes and misdemeanors. But God isn't so easily diverted. He sees through all such smoke screens and holds you to what you've done." (Romans 2:2, The Message).
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@BreadOfLife,
I also find that you utilize methods of intimidation in order to put a stop to any naysaying about the Catholic Church; by accusing the naysayer of lying each and every time that anything bad is said about it.
And while you may even be right, in that the naysayer may in fact be misinformed, it is not accurate to say that they are deliberately lying...for in all reality they are merely repeating misinformation.
And there may also be times when the person is not misinformed when he naysays the Catholic Church.
Is it not your ministry to correct people when they are misinformed concerning the Catholic Church and then propagate that misinformation on the internet?
But I think that you can do this with a spirit of lovingkindness rather than being accusatory in your demeanor.
If you did change over to such a spirit, it would lend credibility to your cause; because as it is now, I'm afraid men will consider you to be a false prophet and not to be listened to according to Matthew 7:15-20; because your demeanor amounts to bad fruit; which indicates a bad tree.
I also find that you utilize methods of intimidation in order to put a stop to any naysaying about the Catholic Church; by accusing the naysayer of lying each and every time that anything bad is said about it.
And while you may even be right, in that the naysayer may in fact be misinformed, it is not accurate to say that they are deliberately lying...for in all reality they are merely repeating misinformation.
And there may also be times when the person is not misinformed when he naysays the Catholic Church.
Is it not your ministry to correct people when they are misinformed concerning the Catholic Church and then propagate that misinformation on the internet?
But I think that you can do this with a spirit of lovingkindness rather than being accusatory in your demeanor.
If you did change over to such a spirit, it would lend credibility to your cause; because as it is now, I'm afraid men will consider you to be a false prophet and not to be listened to according to Matthew 7:15-20; because your demeanor amounts to bad fruit; which indicates a bad tree.
Marymog
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The Spirit of truth.
I suggest you receive Him; for in doing so I believe that you will begin to believe in sola scriptura and will hold the Bible to be the ultimate authority on any given subject. For He is the Spirit of "truth" and in receiving Him you will be taught by Him to believe the truth about holy scripture, that it is the ultimate authority.
The Holy Bible is also the diviner of what is objective truth.
2Ti 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Act 17:10, And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11, These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Jhn 18:37, Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Jhn 18:38, Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
Act 17:10, And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11, These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Jhn 18:37, Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Jhn 18:38, Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
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Marymog
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John Calvin, Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, Andreas Rudolph Bodenstein von Karlstadt etc. did they have the Spirit of truth?
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body."
Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,
for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
Peace!
John Calvin, I have my disagreements with, Martin Luther, I do not like parts of his testimony and teaching, the other two I never heard of. God knows whether they had the Spirit of truth.
Marymog
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Good Morning JBF,
Can you help clear this up for me: You answered that the Spirit of Truth decides what sound doctrine is. You clearly disagree with Calvin and Luther so I am assuming that you would think they did not have the Spirit with them when they came to their truth’s?
Sooooo WHO in the last 1,900 years (since the last Apostle died) has had the Spirit of Truth in them that helps us decide what sound doctrine is? WHO are your go to guys when looking for sound doctrine?
Mary
I would say that Luther and Calvin may have indeed had the Spirit of truth but were also subject to fallibility because they were also human.
But that if anyone comes to a conclusion based on having been taught by the Spirit of truth, that the doctrine developed would not be inaccurate.
This is why the verses that I quoted in post #532 (Jesus isn't Catholic) are so important. It is why we need to determine for ourselves what the Holy Spirit is saying to us personally at any given moment.
Heb 4:12, For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Another translation says that the word is "living and active"...
So then, each one of us has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ; and what we may believe in at any given moment will be both given and adjusted by the word of the Lord as He molds us and shapes us into His image; not only in character but as concerning what we believe at any given moment.
The Holy Spirit will lead us and will guide us into all truth. We may not have the fulness of the truth in the present moment; but if we continue on in a relationship with the Holy Spirit, He will be leading us closer to the truth every moment that we are alive. The devil and his demons will be attempting to lead us in the opposite direction.
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On a public forum - it is EVERY poster's responsibility to post the truth. If you are going to post your objections to another poster's beliefs - you had better be DARN sure that you have your facts straight. Otherwise - keep your mouth shut until you GET the facts.
Then you can post your objections.
Don't tell another poster that they CAN'T correct yu or expose you when you openly LIE about their beliefs. If you don't like being exposed - then DON'T post falsehoods. If you are unsure that what you are posting is 100% true - RESEARCH it.
YOU don't like me because you feel that I am "rude" for exposing your falsehoods.
I expose them because I don't like lies . . .
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Thank you.
Many men believe that they have the fullness of truth. They all disagree with each other.
Even your theory that the Holy Spirit will lead us and guide us into all truth if we continue our relationship with the Spirit is a truth that you currently believe. But according to your theory you could be led away from that “truth” some day and realize that Scripture teaches something different. Your theory suggest that you will never know when you have the truth. You could be getting “closer to the truth every moment you are alive” or it could be demons leading you in the opposite direction. How do you know that demons didn’t lead you to this theory?
Mary
I don't believe that I will ever be led away from this truth for as long as I believe that the holy scriptures are the word of God; for the holy scriptures clearly teach it:
Jhn 16:13, Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Since it is my view that scripture never contradicts scripture and therefore the topical or immediate context of a verse will never nullify the meaning of the verse; I find that the possibility is next to zilch that I should ever depart from this understanding that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth.
