Jesus isn't Catholic

[justbyfaith]

On a public forum - it is EVERY poster's responsibility to post the truth. If you are going to post your objections to another poster's beliefs - you had better be DARN sure that you have your facts straight. Otherwise - keep your mouth shut until you GET the facts.
Then you can post your objections.

Don't tell another poster that they CAN'T correct yu or expose you when you openly LIE about their beliefs. If you don't like being exposed - then DON'T post falsehoods. If you are unsure that what you are posting is 100% true - RESEARCH it.

YOU don't like me because you feel that I am "rude" for exposing your falsehoods.
I expose them because I don't like lies . . .

I don't like you because you have called me a liar on not a few occasions; and this is an attack on my character as an evangelist.

You continue to be unrepentant about this, as well.

I have never sat down and thought to myself, "I am going to start thinking up lies about the Catholic Church and start purporting them on the internet."

As a matter of fact, I am a man who hates lying.

I admitted where I was wrong when I gave misinformation about the Catholic Church in previous threads. And even then, there is a possibility that I was still misinformed in that I took up your opinion on the matter.

Unwittingly spreading misinformation is not the same thing as deliberately lying on an issue.

The fact that you are here on these forums means that if misinformation is given about the Catholic Church, we can be certain that you will correct it. So no one is going to be able to get away with spreading misinformation about the Catholic Church while you are on the prowl.

But again, the fact that your demeanor in correcting it exhibits bad fruit means to many of us that you are as a false prophet (Matthew 7:15-20) because you are bearing bad fruit and therefore the tree that you are hailing from is also bad according to the passage in question.

Therefore you are defeating your own purpose; if you are indeed wanting people to convert to Catholicism, you are diverting people from seeing the Catholic Church as a good tree to latch onto as branches. Your bad witness is causing people to recognize that the Catholic Church is a source of bad fruit.

And therefore, if anyone desires to connect themselves to the Catholic Church, they will be connecting to something that will cause them to bear bad fruit.

I suppose that I could go on and on but I will stop there.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I don't like you because you have called me a liar on not a few occasions; and this is an attack on my character as an evangelist.

You continue to be unrepentant about this, as well.

I have never sat down and thought to myself, "I am going to start thinking up lies about the Catholic Church and start purporting them on the internet."

As a matter of fact, I am a man who hates lying.

I admitted where i was wrong when I gave misinformation about the Catholic Church in previous threads. And even then, there is a possibility that I was still misinformed in that I took up your opinion on the matter.

Unwittingly spreading misinformation is not the same thing as deliberately lying on an issue.

The fact that you are here on these forums means that if misinformation is given about the Catholic Church, we can be certain that you will correct it. So no one is going to be able to get away with spreading misinformation about the Catholic Church while you are on the prowl.

But again, the fact that your demeanor in correcting it exhibits bad fruit means to many of us that you are as a false prophet (Matthew 7:15-20) because you are bearing bad fruit and therefore the tree that you are hailing from is also bad according to the passage in question.

Therefore you are defeating your own purpose; if you are indeed wanting people to convert to Catholicism, you are diverting people from seeing the Catholic Church as a good tree to latch onto as branches. Your bad witness is causing people to recognize that the Catholic Church is a source of bad fruit.

And therefore, if anyone desires to connect themselves to the Catholic Church, they will be connecting to something that will cause them to bear bad fruit.

I suppose that I could go on and on but I will stop there.

I've never called you a "liar" - or any other name for that matter.
I have CAUGHT you in MANY lies, however.

As for your 2nd comment above in RED - there is ZERO excuse for anybody to post lies on a debate forum with ALL of the information on the internet at your fingertips. If you ave a question about Catholic teaching - you need go NO further than the Catechism of the Catholic church, which is posted online for ALL to read.
Yet, you ALWAYS manage to screw that up because the LIE is more entertaining than the TRUTH.

 

[justbyfaith]

In saying that I have lied on many occasions, you are calling me a liar.

You know, I have also caught you in many lies.

So maybe you are also lying when you say that I have lied and am a liar.

But the Lord spoke to me on what is happening between me and you.

The Lord is utilizing you in my life as a thorn in the flesh, to keep me from being exalted above measure.

You caught me in perhaps one lie about the Catholic Church (because I proved that two of the three lies that you accused me of were not in fact lies) and you cannot ever let it go; even though what I said was not a deliberate lie but an unwitting repeating of misinformation. And even there, I am not certain that your take on the information given was necessarily the most accurate scoop on the subject. And therefore it may in fact be that you were the one spreading misinformation; and through intimidation convinced me that I was the one doing so, when in fact it may very well be that you are the one who is guilty.

But I know that you want to insist that I have committed some kind of heinous sin against your church; you want to insist that I set out to deliberately lie about your denomination. I did not. But if you are possessed to continue to rail against me then I know that you are simply a messenger of satan sent to buffet me.

See 2 Corinthians 12:7.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you ave a question about Catholic teaching - you need go NO further than the Catechism of the Catholic church, which is posted online for ALL to read.

Sorry, but my time is precious to me; and I would rather spend it reading my Bible than to read the Catholic Church's commentary on the Bible; especially when I disagree with much of what is taught by Catholicism...that I don't have to go to the Catechism to be able to discover...I can go as far as what Catholics say on public forums such as this one and the (bad) fruit that they bear...to know that I want nothing to do with the Catholic Church as a tree from which I might draw nourishment as a branch.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus said,

Mat 6:14, For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15, But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry, but my time is precious to me; and I would rather spend it reading my Bible than to read the Catholic Church's commentary on the Bible; especially when I disagree with much of what is taught by Catholicism...that I don't have to go to the Catechism to be able to discover...I can go as far as what Catholics say on public forums such as this one and the (bad) fruit that they bear...to know that I want nothing to do with the Catholic Church as a tree from which I might draw nourishment as a branch.

Just as I said. It's too much work posting the truth.
Besides - the LIE is more entertaining . . .

Thanks for proving me right yet again.


Exod. 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

 

[justbyfaith]

When you start reading your Bible according to the following plan:

An excellent Bible reading plan.

Then you can condemn me for not doing enough work.

 

[justbyfaith]

Exod. 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

Jesus said,

Mat 6:14, For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15, But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

I think that you keep dredging up things that are firmly placed underneath the blood of Jesus.

That is what satan does.

You need to stop before you end up being condemned yourself.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think that you keep dredging up things that are firmly placed underneath the blood of Jesus.
That is what satan does.
You need to stop before you end up being condemned yourself.

Sooooooo, because you feel that you have been forgiven for LYING - that gives you license to continue lying?

That simply shows that YOU are unrepentant - and THAT'S what Satan does . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

When you start reading your Bible according to the following plan:

An excellent Bible reading plan.

Then you can condemn me for not doing enough work.

I never accused you of not reading the Bible.
I said that you lie about what the Catholic church teaches and believes.

I believe that you read the Bible quite a lot.
It's a shame you don't actually LEARN from it . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

Sooooooo, because you feel that you have been forgiven for LYING - that gives you license to continue lying?

That simply shows that YOU are unrepentant - and THAT'S what Satan does . . .

Show how I have continued lying about anything.

 

[justbyfaith]

I said that you lie about what the Catholic church teaches and believes.

What lies have I spoken?

They must be multitudinous for you to keep carrying on like this.

If you can point out more than the original three that you accused me of, I will be surprised...

And it is also true that I proved that two of the orginal three were not in fact lies and that the third was merely unwitting misinformation.

At this point I am beginning to believe that your treatment of me is persecution.

Gal 4:28, Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29, But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[justbyfaith]

I never accused you of not reading the Bible.
I said that you lie about what the Catholic church teaches and believes.

I believe that you read the Bible quite a lot.
It's a shame you don't actually LEARN from it . . .

What I am saying is that if you read your Bible as extensively as I do, you won't have the time to read your Catechism.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What lies have I spoken?
If you can point out more than the original three that you accused me of, I will be surprised...

Show how I have continued lying about anything.

Okay - here are TWO lies from THIS thread alone:

Lie #1
YOU stated:
"It's no lie that some in the Catholic Church were guilty of selling indulgences."

I responded with:
SOME within the Church, like Johann Tetzel were selling Indulgences. THEIR sins do not represent the ENTIRE Church – any more than YOUR sins represent YOUR entire sect.


Lie #2
YOU stated:
"So, the Protestant sects do not differ in doctrine in your opinion? I find that interesting..."

I responded with:
I NEVER said that Protestants did NOT differ in doctrine and that you differed “only” in practice. This is a flat out LIE of your own making. I merely said that Protestants believe in MANY of the same doctrines. YOU added the rest.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What I am saying is that if you read your Bible as extensively as I do, you won't have the time to read your Catechism.

Then DON'T post what YOU think Catholic believer or teach until you have the FACTS.

 

[justbyfaith]

Lie #1
YOU stated:
"It's no lie that some in the Catholic Church were guilty of selling indulgences."

I responded with:
SOME within the Church, like Johann Tetzel were selling Indulgences. THEIR sins do not represent the ENTIRE Church – any more than YOUR sins represent YOUR entire sect.

I responded with this tidbit from Wikipedia.

From Wikipedia (Indulgence - Wikipedia):

The scandalous conduct of the "pardoners" was an immediate occasion of the Protestant Reformation.[3] In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his Ninety-five Theses, condemning what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In Thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs".[42] The Ninety-five Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the Pope's right to grant pardons on God's behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God's power alone.[43]

Did Pope Leo X have no authority within the Catholic Church?

Apparently you think that what a Pope does does not represent the Catholic Church.

I am of the opposite opinion.

Lie #2
YOU stated:
"So, the Protestant sects do not differ in doctrine in your opinion? I find that interesting..."

I responded with:
I NEVER said that Protestants did NOT differ in doctrine and that you differed “only” in practice. This is a flat out LIE of your own making. I merely said that Protestants believe in MANY of the same doctrines. YOU added the rest.

Now, I had to go searching back for that particular exchange and apparently it is so far back that I couldn't find it. But I recall correctly that you did in fact imply that Protestants have all the same doctrines and therefore they have no excuse for the differences in practice. Perhaps I will keep searching for this, it is important that the exact words that were spoken be put to the forefront.

But the fact that you remembered this indicates that you have a good memory of how people have seemingly wronged you...while in 1 Corinthians 13 we find that love keeps no record of wrongs.

I really desire to place you on Ignore again....because much of this bantering back and forth is a waste of good time I could be spending doing something else.

 

[justbyfaith]

Lie #2
YOU stated:
"So, the Protestant sects do not differ in doctrine in your opinion? I find that interesting..."

I'm sorry, but I just couldn't find where this quote was located in our discussion.

However, I know that wherever it was located, the context of the quote does vindicate me and shows that I was also not lying in that instance.

Now, if you want to use the quote feature and quote it, then we can look at the context of the quote and I will be shown to be vindicated.

But if not, then I am also vindicated in this case; because it is clear that you did not want the subject to be exposed to the scrutiny of the context of the quote; and therefore you have not shown that I lied but are merely pointing the finger as an accuser of the brethren (see Revelation 12:10-11).

It will be clear from looking at the context of the quote, if it is brought to bear on the situation, that I made that conclusion based on sound logic and reasoning (what is posted above in the quote, in RED).

Please use the quote feature next time; you are forcing me to waste valuable time searching for things that have been quoted in order to defend myself against your (adversarial) attacks.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I responded with this tidbit from Wikipedia.
Apparently you think that what a Pope does does not represent the Catholic Church.
I am of the opposite opinion.

Provide the DOCUMENT where Pope Leo decreed the selling of Indulgences.
Don't give me a wikipedia opinion - give me historical FACTS.

Now, I had to go searching back for that particular exchange and apparently it is so far back that I couldn't find it. But I recall correctly that you did in fact imply that Protestants have all the same doctrines and therefore they have no excuse for the differences in practice. Perhaps I will keep searching for this, it is important that the exact words that were spoken be put to the forefront.

But the fact that you remembered this indicates that you have a good memory of how people have seemingly wronged you...while in 1 Corinthians 13 we find that love keeps no record of wrongs.

I really desire to place you on Ignore again....because much of this bantering back and forth is a waste of good time I could be spending doing something else.

Read post #477, where you responded to my comment:
"As to your last comment that practice is ALWAYS the result of doctrine - this is perhaps your most stupid remark.
The fact that there are literally tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL practice different traditions and discipline while believing in MANY of the same doctrines should have tipped you off . . ."

Then YOU dishonestly stated:
"So, the Protestant sects do not differ in doctrine in your opinion? I find that interesting..."

Another perfect example of your LIES . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

Provide the DOCUMENT where Pope Leo decreed the selling of Indulgences.
Don't give me a wikipedia opinion - give me historical FACTS.

Apparently you don't consider Wikipedia to be a valid source as presenting historical information.

Perhaps Cognitive Dissonance is the reason behind this.

However, it is also a source that stands as a second witness that I was not lying in what I said.

Read post #477, where you responded to my comment:
"As to your last comment that practice is ALWAYS the result of doctrine - this is perhaps your most stupid remark.
The fact that there are literally tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL practice different traditions and discipline while believing in MANY of the same doctrines should have tipped you off . . ."

Then YOU dishonestly stated:
"So, the Protestant sects do not differ in doctrine in your opinion? I find that interesting..."

Another perfect example of your LIES . . .

You really are one to go about nitpicking, aren't you?

It seemed to me that this is what you had said...and you want to go on and on about how my misinterpretation of your words was instead, LIES.

Whatever. I'm growing tired of your accusations. I will be glad when you are finally thrown out of heaven, accuser.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Whatever. I'm growing tired of your accusations. I will be glad when you are finally thrown out of heaven, accuser.

That s something I would never dare to say to another human being because I fear God.

Matt. 7:2
For with the judgment YOU pronounce YOU will be judged, and with the measure YOU use it will be measured to YOU.

Good luck with that . . .