Jesus isn't Catholic

[Behold]

We are saved THOUGH the water of Baptism (1 Pet. 3:19-22) - not BY it.
Get your facts straight, son.
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Listen carefully deceiver.
Your granddaughter is not saved by or through water.
Not the beach, not a Lake, not a fountain, and not the city water system.
Understand?
Its a lie, and a Cross rejecting heresy to teach that water is the means by which a person is saved.
Your demonic theology is taken from your demonic Catholic bible, that teaches in John 3, that water regenerates.
This is a Catholic lie of the devil, and on this forum, you are the biggest mouth regarding that cult of mary lie.

Here are the facts.
1. You are Galatians 1:8
Jesus did not die on a cross, as God shedding His blood, so that a catholic cult of mary can redefine God's mercy as "water".
God that deceiver?

Face the fact, deceiver.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Listen carefully deceiver.
Your granddaughter is not saved by or through water.
Not the beach, not a Lake, not a fountain, and not the city water system.
Understand?
Its a lie, and a Cross rejecting heresy to teach that water is the means by which a person is saved.
Your demonic theology is taken from your demonic Catholic bible, that teaches in John 3, that water regenerates.
This is a Catholic lie of the devil, and on this forum, you are the biggest mouth regarding that cult of mary lie.

Here are the facts.
1. You are Galatians 1:8
Jesus did not die on a cross, as God shedding His blood, so that a catholic cult of mary can redefine God's mercy as "water".
God that deceiver?

Face the fact, deceiver, before you and your granddaughter die and find out the hard way.

Okay - so you believe that the Holy Spirit LIED through Peter when He said that we are SAVED through the water of Baptism 1 Pet. 3:180-22).
Good luck with that, son . . .

 

[Behold]

Okay - so you believe that the Holy Spirit LIED through Peter when He said that we are SAVED through the water of Baptism 1 Pet. 3:180-22).
Good luck with that, son . . .

I think that you, like all Catholics, are obsessed with Peter and Mary and water.
If you were obsessed with Paul, as you should be, as he is the gentile apostle, and we are in the times of the Gentiles......if you could get your deceived head into that reality, you would not be in a Cult of Mary.

See, you read a bible but you don't discern the scriptures.
I think you might be unable to even read a bible, but you sure can cut and paste.
Congrats.
Look, in verse 21 your "first pope" says that this baptism that you are lost without is a "FIGURE".
Its a "figure", .
This means its SYMBOLIC.
So, your cult of mary, has taken a symbolic idea, of water, that is a FIGURE, according to your first pope, and created the devil's lie that water saves.

It does not.
Jesus saves, and God through the BLood of Jesus, is the Principal Savior.

Its like this.....Mary idolator.
Take all the water off the Planet.
Now its one big dry land mass.
Can a person still be born again?
Can a person still be saved?
NOT according to your cult of mary or to your deceive theology.

You, are Galatians 1:8.
You are a deceiver.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think that you, like all Catholics, are obsessed with Peter and Mary and water.
If you were obsessed with Paul, as you should be, as he is the gentile apostle, and we are in the times of the Gentiles......if you could get your deceived head into that reality, you would not be in a Cult of Mary.

See, you read a bible but you don't discern the scriptures.
I think you might be unable to even read.
Look, in verse 21 your "first pope" says that this baptism that you are lost without is a "FIGURE".
Its a "figure", .
This means its SYMBOLIC.
So, your cult of mary, has taken a symbolic idea, of water, that is a FIGURE, according to your first pope, and created the devil's lie that water saves.

It does not.
Jesus saves, and God through the BLood of Jesus, is the Principal Savior.

I'm obsessed with Christ - NOT Paul or Mary or Peter.
That's your problem - you worship a man instead of God.

Peter spoke well of YOU when he wrote:
2 Pet. 3:15-16
So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the IGNORANT and UNSTABLE twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

As for Peter only speaking "symbolically" in 2 Pet. 3:18-22 - remember that he ALSO said:
Acts 2:38
“Repent, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

That's what salvation is ALL about, son.

 

[Behold]

I'm obsessed with Christ - NOT Paul or Mary or Peter.
That's your problem - you worship a man instead of God.

Peter spoke well of YOU when he wrote:

If you were obsessed with Christ, then you would not be the liar who is on a "christian" forum giving Praise to the water that you say saved your granddaughter.
Got that cult of mary obsessed?
Am i clear enough?
You're a deceiver, who is apparently not associated with the Blood Atonement.
But go now to your favorite site, and cut and paste more for us to read, that you pretend that you wrote and believe.
Pathetic.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus's sacrifice doesn't give you carte blanche to go on sinning with impunity.
you ohave a bizarre view of saving grace.

I didn't say that it does.

However, Jesus says to me that my sins are forgiven for His name's sake (1 John 2:12).

The fact that I am forgiven much means that I love much (Luke 7:36-50); because He first loved me (1 John 4:19) and has also shed abroad His love in my heart through the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

This love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:13, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4); it is a practical love (1 John 3:17-18) that produces works.

But the point is that I love Him because I am forgiven.

And it is not that I can become somehow unforgiven if I don't measure up on some level. I am forgiven regardless of my performance (Romans 4:5).

And this creates in me a heart that wants to do well for the Lord. I am set free by the knowledge that I am forgiven of all of my sins and that there is no condemnation for me (Romans 8:1a, John 5:24 (kjv)).

Hopefully this will provoke you to emulation. Hopefully it makes you jealous of me so that you want what I have. For I have forgiveness and this cannot be taken away from me. I am redeemed faithfully by the blood of the Lamb and cannot lose my salvation for any reason.

 

[Behold]

However, Jesus says to me that my sins are forgiven for His name's sake (1 John 2:12).

The fact that I am forgiven much means that I love much (Luke 7:36-50); .

Yes, all your sin is forgiven.
Jesus didn't miss a single one. Colossians 2:13.
"well, a catholic says......"what about tomorrow's"..
A.) Check. = The Blood of Jesus is 2000 yrs ago shed and its still redeeming and forgiving into the FUTURE.
This means, past sin, today's works of the flesh, and tomorrow's carnal deeds, are all "under the blood".
The only sin that Jesus's blood can't forgive, and has not already is : CHRIST REJECTION.
As to reject Christ is to reject forgiveness of sin.
This is the unpardonable sin, and there is only one. = Never been born again.

Also, your comment that you are forgiven much, means that you love much,..... is the absolute key to understanding WHY this idea of "license to sin" is a devil designed FRAUD as explained by Jude.

The fact is READER, in the Kingdom of God....when you are given more, you love more.
In other words when you realize that you are totally forgiven...this creates you to love God more..
It never creates you to think....."ok good, now let me go SIN".

Its like the woman who came to anoint Jesus, when Christ was talking to the Pharisee.
She had been "forgiven MUCH", and see how she reacts?
She LOVES JESUS MORE !!
And that READER is how you respond to the understanding of having all your sin forgiven.
It does not cause you to want to sin more.....but rather it causes you to love GOD MORE and want to SERVE HIM MORE.
He that is forgiven little, loves little.
He that is forgiven much, LOVES MUCH.
Thats the Spiritual RULE.
Thats the reality.

The devil's liars, teach that teaching the correct theological knowledge that all your sin is gone (forgiven) if you are born again, creates you to have a : " license to sin" mentality.
But that is exactly what does NOT Happen.
In fact, its the people who think they can lose their salvation, are those who have the sinning and repenting issue, not the people who understand the Grace of God correctly.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hi @Behold

I think it depends on whether the person in question is carnal or spiritual.

A carnally-minded person will have the thinking that Paul had to address in Romans 6:1-2...

However, this thinking is based on a very true premise of extravagant and scandalous grace, (preached in Romans 5,) that if a man is not born again of the Holy Spirit, he may begin to think of it (unrighteously) as a license for sinning. So, the teaching must needs be qualified by statements such as what we find in all of Romans 6 and Romans 8. In this, the person who might take grace as a license for sinning is rebuked for his carnal attitude towards grace (for he is an abuser of grace).

Nevertheless, you are right in saying that grace, when it is properly taught, is indeed extravagant and scandalous, and can be misconstrued as a license for sinning by the carnally-minded.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you were obsessed with Christ, then you would not be the liar who is on a "christian" forum giving Praise to the water that you say saved your granddaughter.
Got that cult of mary obsessed?
Am i clear enough?
You're a deceiver, who is apparently not associated with the Blood Atonement.
But go now to your favorite site, and cut and paste more for us to read, that you pretend that you wrote and believe.
Pathetic.

I don't give praise to water.
No need to LIE, son.

I told you - about TEN times now that water doesn't save us. We are saved through water in Baptism like the bible tells us (John 3:5, Acts 2:38, 2 Pet. 3:18-22).

If you have a problem with that - take it up with the Holy Spirit - not me . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I didn't say that it does.
However, Jesus says to me that my sins are forgiven for His name's sake (1 John 2:12).

The fact that I am forgiven much means that I love much (Luke 7:36-50); because He first loved me (1 John 4:19) and has also shed abroad His love in my heart through the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

This love is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within me (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:13, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4); it is a practical love (1 John 3:17-18) that produces works.

But the point is that I love Him because I am forgiven.

And it is not that I can become somehow unforgiven if I don't measure up on some level. I am forgiven regardless of my performance (Romans 4:5).

And this creates in me a heart that wants to do well for the Lord. I am set free by the knowledge that I am forgiven of all of my sins and that there is no condemnation for me (Romans 8:1a, John 5:24 (kjv)).

Hopefully this will provoke you to emulation. Hopefully it makes you jealous of me so that you want what I have. For I have forgiveness and this cannot be taken away from me. I am redeemed faithfully by the blood of the Lamb and cannot lose my salvation for any reason.

Yup - EVERY sin you committed BEFORE coming to christ has been forgiven.
Every sin you have committed AFTER coming to Christ, however, needs to be repented of.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yup - EVERY sin you committed BEFORE coming to christ has been forgiven.
Every sin you have committed AFTER coming to Christ, however, needs to be repented of.

Jesus has forgiven the believer in Him of past, present, and future sins.

My reasons for believing this are as follows:

1) All of our sins were yet in the future when Jesus died on the Cross (Romans 5:8).

2) He has given to us eternal redemption (Hebrews 9:12).

3) Those things which are present, and those things which are to come (including our sins) do not have the power to separate us from the love of God (Romans 8:38-39); and,

4) Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin (Romans 4:8). This indicates that in the present moment, we can be assured that God will not hold our sins to our account on the day of judgment (which is yet future).

In 1 John 1:9, it is relationship / koinoniea fellowship / connectedness that is restored by confession (to God); while the sin in question, before it is confessed, does not change our position as being righteous before Christ (Romans 4:5).

 

[Behold]

I don't give praise to water.
No need to LIE, son.

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Did you edit your post?
You'd be the exact type to do it "son".
Listen "son", you are so PROUD that your Granddaughter was "saved by water".
Problem is, she isn't, and neither are you "son".
Stop being a fool.

Let me explain something to you, cult of mary= deceiver.
God does not save by the "cookie" or the 'water" , nor does he speak thru a false "pope".
And finally, There is no "perpetual virgin" or "queen of heaven", found where God exists.
You are going to find this out, the hard way, because you are too full of yourself to let go of the LIES.

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[BreadOfLife]

Did you edit your post?
You'd be the exact type to do it "son".
Listen "son", you are so PROUD that your Granddaughter was "saved by water".
Problem is, she isn't, and neither are you "son".
Stop being a fool.

Let me explain something to you, cult of mary= deceiver.
God does not save by the "cookie" or the 'water" , nor does he speak thru a false "pope".
And finally, There is no "perpetual virgin" or "queen of heaven", found where God exists.
You are going to find this out, the hard way, because you are too full of yourself to let go of the LIES.

Nope - I didn't "edit" my post,
YOU just deleted everything that proved you wrong.

Here is it again for your edification.
Next time - there's NO need to lie, son . . .

I don't give praise to water.
No need to LIE, son.

I told you - about TEN times now that water doesn't save us. We are saved through water in Baptism like the Bible tells us (John 3:5, Acts 2:38, 2 Pet. 3:18-22).

If you have a problem with that - take it up with the Holy Spirit - not me . . .

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes we know that :

Jesus was not catholic
mary was not catholic
disciples were not catholic
their disciples were not catholic

rome created the heresy known as the RCC, not God !

 

[Taken]

Jesus isn't Catholic
OP ^

Jesus Established His Church.
Men Established Catholicism.

Jesus said follow Him.
Catholic Bishops (men) Taught follow Them.

Jesus Taught His Doctrine.
Catholics (men) Teach their Doctrine.

Jesus Taught of an anti-Christ.
Catholics (men) Teach anti-Catholic.

God established a division between Abram's son Ishmael and his sons,
AND
Abraham's son Isaac and his sons.

Catholic pope onboard for Chrislam!

ON and ON...

Follow Jesus.
PRAY do our Nation.

Taken

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus isn't Catholic
OP ^

Jesus Established His Church.
Men Established Catholicism.

Jesus said follow Him.
Catholic Bishops (men) Taught follow Them.

Jesus Taught His Doctrine.
Catholics (men) Teach their Doctrine.

Jesus Taught of an anti-Christ.
Catholics (men) Teach anti-Catholic.

God established a division between Abram's son Ishmael and his sons,
AND
Abraham's son Isaac and his sons.

Catholic pope onboard for Chrislam!

ON and ON...

Follow Jesus.
PRAY do our Nation.

Taken

Good summary.

 

[Taken]

We are saved THOUGH the water of Baptism (1 Pet. 3:19-22) -

Nonsense.
(1 Pet 3:19-22 says no such thing!)

Men Are Saved BY (a true Heartful) Confession!


Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the Mouth confession is made unto salvation.

By the way - since my granddaughter would have NO hope of being saved before she could consciously decide to follow Christ -

Nonsense.
Why would a child be even "hoping" for what they know not?

does that mean ALL children up to the "age of reason" go to Hell?

No.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nonsense.
(1 Pet 3:19-22 says no such thing!)
Men Are Saved BY (a true Heartful) Confession!

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the Mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Nonsense.
Why would a child be even "hoping" for what they know not?

No.

Sooooo, According to YOUR formula - if the ONLY way to be saved is by a "true heartful confession" - then ALL children under the "age of reason" go to Hell. That includes ALL people with impaired mental capabilities as well.

Show me where the BIBLE says that.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes we know that :

Jesus was not catholic
mary was not catholic
disciples were not catholic
their disciples were not catholic

rome created the heresy known as the RCC, not God !

I'll go even further than that:
Jesus wasn't a Christian at ALL, Einstein.

He is the SUBJECT of Christianity - NOT a member.
Mary, the Disciples and their Disciples were Catholic.

Here is an excerpt from on of John's disciples, who was a FIRST century Bishop of Antioch:
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Now THAT'S Catholic . . .

 

[ChristisGod]

I'll go even further than that:
Jesus wasn't a Christian at ALL, Einstein.

He is the SUBJECT of Christianity - NOT a member.
Mary, the Disciples and their Disciples were Catholic.

Here is an excerpt from on of John's disciples, who was a FIRST century Bishop of Antioch:
Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 107]).

Now THAT'S Catholic . . .

sure and the tooth fairy is just as real as mary, and the disciples being catholic. you made that up since its NOT IN SCRIPTURE.