Where does the Bible say?

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Thank you kcnalp. I get it...you are against anything that The Church teaches. You don't need to repeat yourself....
You may be right. I don't know much that Catholics believe that are Biblical. The Pope does not overrule the Christian Bible. Mary was a sinner saved by the Blood of Jesus.
 
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Do you know what will happen to "ALL LIARS"?
Rev 21 All liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.
And there's no exit door no matter how much the Devil lies to you about the "Purgatory" myth.
That's why I pray for you guys DAILY . . .
 

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The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.”
He said, "Hail, Kecharitomene.”

People in Heaven are in this state -
But not people on Earth.

Mary is the ONLY one in ALL of Scripture who is given this title.

No - the Angel came to Nazareth, where she was (Luke 1:26).
Don't you own a Bible??

You contradict yourself.
 

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-kcnalp-

Have you ever seen anyone so utterly ridiculous? LOL

PRAY For our Nation,
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kcnalp

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Sure, she was.
The Bible says so (Luke 1:28).
Not even close to saying Mary was sinless.
Luke 1:28 (NKJV)
28 And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"
Just because you're too ignorant to understand the original Greek - don't get angry about it.
LEARN . . .
I understand you're trying to rewrite our Christian Bibles.
 

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You contradict yourself.
And YOU don't have any common sense.

I was making the comparison of Mary's soul with those in Heaven - and the rest of us. I said that Kecharitomene is a condition that only those in Heaven enjoy - except when it came to Mary. She is described as Kecharitomene while still on earth.
 

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Not even close to saying Mary was sinless.
Luke 1:28 (NKJV)
28 And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"

I understand you're trying to rewrite our Christian Bibles.
It doesn't say "highly favoured one" - it says, "Kecharitomene".

When Jerome translated the Bible into Latin, he translated this title as “Gratia plena” (full of grace).
He could HARDLY write: “Hail, completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace, which is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with a PERMANENT result” - which is the definition of "Kecharitomene".
The SAME is true for when the KJV was translated - only, "thou that art highly favoured" was used in place of the actual definition.

“Full of grace” was simply the most concise way of explaining the above definition. Jerome probably didn’t think that it would be an issue. - nor did the translators of the KJV who held Mary is MUCH higher regard than YOU or your fellow 21st century anti-Marianists.

At any rate - I suggest yo do your homework . . .
 

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And YOU don't have any common sense.

I was making the comparison of Mary's soul with those in Heaven - and the rest of us. I said that Kecharitomene is a condition that only those in Heaven enjoy - except when it came to Mary. She is described as Kecharitomene while still on earth.
Is Mary equal to Jesus? Is the Pope a sinner?
 

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It doesn't say "highly favoured one" - it says, "Kecharitomene".

When Jerome translated the Bible into Latin, he translated this title as “Gratia plena” (full of grace).
He could HARDLY write: “Hail, completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace, which is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with a PERMANENT result” - which is the definition of "Kecharitomene".
The SAME is true for when the KJV was translated - only, "thou that art highly favoured" was used in place of the actual definition.

“Full of grace” was simply the most concise way of explaining the above definition. Jerome probably didn’t think that it would be an issue. - nor did the translators of the KJV who held Mary is MUCH higher regard than YOU or your fellow 21st century anti-Marianists.

At any rate - I suggest yo do your homework . . .
Which Bible translations agree with you? I have MANY.
 

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Which Bible translations agree with you? I have MANY.
If you can find one that has a literal translation of "Kecharitomene" literally - that would be something.

As I TRIED to explain to you, but was unsuccessful - “Hail, completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace, which is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with a PERMANENT result” would have been silly.

You REALLY need to do some homework . . .