This sounds like circular reasoning to me.
You parse the born again into "believers" and "saints", and then parse the letter from Paul to fit that division?
You were the one that came up with the term "carnal saints", I just accepted your circular reasoning...
Again I find this discussion hinges on what your view of justification is. I believe our justification and reconconciliation are complete. None who are reconciled will be 'left behind'. So no saints are rejected. All the redeemed are included.
Justification and reconciliation are one thing where I suspect we disagree is on is the destination in our journey. Not all the faithful in Christ are called to suffer for the Gospel only some are. This is fact and History. A person can live for Christ and die of Old age naturally and they have not died the death of a saint, nor given the testimony of a saint, because they were never given that opportunity because they were never chosen by God for this calling. This is simple common sense, They were never called upon to be saints, Not that this has anything to do with merit. That is the whole Point of this. Just like Job did not deserve what happened to Him, But it was of God's choosing.
It is By this testimony, that Satan is overcome and cast down to earth in the end times as Per Revelation 12:10-11. By the Blood of the Lamb (Justification), and the word of our testimony (Those called to be saints.) And in the end when Satan is cast down he will in his wrath create more saints by making war on the saints and appearing to overcome them during the great tribulation as he empowers the beast.... We are already seeing this begin in the world as lawlessness is increasing And congregating in church is being outlawed while going to casinos and liquor stores is not (changing the times and the laws), And soon to come is outright murder and imprisonment and what not as prophesied in Rev. 13, and Daniel 7.
But our justification is final, our reconciliation complete.
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. (Phil. 3:14) There is much of the church that thinks they are good with God and are living in complacency and not growing IN Christ, because they have accepted a doctrine such as this that leads to complacency, which lacks the whole council of God. They Like to quote Ephesians 2 :8-9 while ignoring verse 10, As this does not add up to them. But if you understand that it is God that works in you Both to will and to do of His good pleasure (Phil. 2:13), then you will understand that submission and surrender are the eventual destination of all Christian faith and when we arrive at that point of Total surrender we put to death the Old man and Christ lives in us. I Pray God Helps you see this.
BTW, Thanks for the interaction, At least you are not as closed minded as some here who just call what i am saying preaching catholic doctrine, and try to put a label on what i say so that they can avoid interaction, instead of being Berrean's about what is said. There are very few willing to do this in Christian circles anymore, as Post modernism is reaching its climax in the cancel culture of the day where you label someone and then ignore them and the facts and arguments they are presenting without hearing them out.
God Bless.