Do we know the year of Christ's return?

[Bobby Jo]

Truth is according to the bible, actually according to Christ because he said it himself the day and the time ...

Did you mean this verse? --

Matt. 24:42 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

So maybe we CAN know the Millennia (1,000); Daytona (500); Century (100); Score (20); Decade (10); Year (1); Season; Month; and Week?

Bobby Jo

 

[Jay Ross]

Hi Josho

Jesus told us of the year in which this present age will end, precisely, within the bounds of when the seasons begin and end, in Matt 24:32.

Jeremiah 50-51 describes what is occurring at this present time for those who can understand.

Sadly there has been introduced a disconnect between the relativity of the timeframe of God's and the timeframe of man's which means that we can get a close understanding of when the important End Time event will occur but not a precise understanding.

As recorded, the understanding of the End Time Prophecies have been sealed up and will not be revealed to help us to understand, as God want mankind to accept by faith His promises of salvation and not by a perceived knowledge of the timing of the End Time events which the riddle makers seem to believe that they do know.

This topic is a can of worms but the fish that bite will not be rewarding for the person who goes out searching for the truth.

Shalom

 

[Waiting on him]

Well there seems to be a number of people here who think we might be in the Tribulation or they think they even know the year of Christ's return and when judgement day will happen.



There has been many failed predictions though of dates when Jesus Christ will return.

So does anyone really know but God?

What if it’s already taken place?

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
Jesus told us of the year in which this present age will end, precisely, within the bounds of when the seasons begin and end, in Matt 24:32. ...

Ummmmmmmm, the JW's have given a myriad of dates:

539 A.D. - Thought to be the start of Catholic Papal rule and the start point of many prophetic interpretations.

... Rutherford continued to promote Russell's interpretation of the dates for the 1700's, 1800's and 1914 until the 1930's. Many of the date prophecies were re-explained between 1930 and 1932; the remainder were adjusted in 1943. Rutherford even dismissed the majority of his own 1900's predictions.

1799 A.D. - The beginning of the Last Days.

"WE HAVE no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925." Watchtower 1922 May 15 p.147

... it was not until 1943 that the beginning of Christ's presence was specifically changed from the year 1874 to 1914.

... Russell's preached the Second Coming of Jesus was 1874, and the start of the 1000 year earthly reign was 1914, as it was to end in 2914 A.D.

In 1912 Russell explained that he did not know how to account for the year 0 between B.C. and A.D. and that the end could be in either 1914 or 1915.

p.268, 75,000 edition "Is not yet come.- But is due to make its appearance with the close of the war, some time about October 1st, 1917.

2,604,000 edition "Is not yet come. - But is due to make its appearance after the close of the war, probably early in the year 1918.

... The Seventh-days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to 1921

Many had emphasized the year 1925 as the date, and then when that date did not materialize the date was moved up to 1932. Again, 1932 came and "Christendom" was not destroyed.... Because men tried to fix the date when God would destroy modern Nineveh and God did not back up their prophecy... is that any reason to be peeved?" Watchtower 1938 Feb 15 p.55​

... and because I'm getting tired and bored with all the JW's prevarications, let me simply paste the subsequent lies:

1935
1940s
1951
1975
2000​

And if you noticed, they actually cited a "DAY" of October 1st, 1917, -- which is a stupid as a former pastor (small "p") who as a youth went up with the Youth Leader to a mountain top to practice "jumping" as though it were for the "rapture".

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

What if it’s already taken place?

... then you're gone and the world is a better place?

Bobby Jo

 

[DNB]

Well there seems to be a number of people here who think we might be in the Tribulation or they think they even know the year of Christ's return and when judgement day will happen.

There has been many failed predictions though of dates when Jesus Christ will return.

So does anyone really know but God?

From a distant, no, no one knows but God the Father. For even Christ presently does not know, and will not know until the Father gives him the go-ahead, as this is not a prerogative that the Father has bestowed upon him.
But, there will be undeniable signs that will immediately precede the return of Christ. Therefore, I trust that the wise and theologically astute, will be able to recognize these unprecedented events that will signify the final days.
Precision no, but 'dispensation', yes.

 

[historyb]

That may have been applicable before the crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and exaltation of Christ. But since He Himself announced that ALL power and authority in Heaven and on earth had been given to Him (Mt 28:18) it follows that at this time the Son of God knows precisely when He will return, and all other events preceding and succeeding His return.

Since we are definitely NOT in the Tribulation or Great Tribulation, but in the period known as the Great Apostasy, those events are still in the future. It is only when the heavenly bodies as well as the earth are seriously shaken out of their places that people may expect the Second Coming of Christ. So in that sense, there will be a time when the inhabitants of the earth will be in great fear while expect Christ to come with power and great glory.

We should take note of the following passages:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:29,30)

REVELATION 6: THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places... 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

I don't believe in that, nor do I believe that Revelation is written to us and that it is symbolic to the Roman Empire and the Christians of the 1st Centruy knew what it meant but it was lost to us a long time ago. As far as Matthew that happened in 70 ad when the temple was destroyed. If you want to know what's going to happen read Acts Chapter 1. I know you all hate me for my views and ideas but there they are, I believed all that nonsense in the past and it's just that nonsense, something that was invented in the 18th Century not the faith once delivered to us by the Apostles.

 

[Waiting on him]

I don't believe in that, nor do I believe that Revelation is written to us and that it is symbolic to the Roman Empire and the Christians of the 1st Centruy knew what it meant but it was lost to us a long time ago. As far as Matthew that happened in 70 ad when the temple was destroyed. If you want to know what's going to happen read Acts Chapter 1. I know you all hate me for my views and ideas but there they are, I believed all that nonsense in the past and it's just that nonsense, something that was invented in the 18th Century not the faith once delivered to us by the Apostles.

I just hope they don’t mistake Him as the Pharisees did and accidentally shoot Him

 

[Josho]

What if it’s already taken place?

It hasn't because the world is not bad enough yet, the Tribulation will be worst, then what there is today.

Even the current Pandemic/Riots are a walk in the park compared to the Great Tribulation.

 

[marks]

I don't believe in that, nor do I believe that Revelation is written to us and that it is symbolic to the Roman Empire and the Christians of the 1st Centruy knew what it meant but it was lost to us a long time ago. As far as Matthew that happened in 70 ad when the temple was destroyed. If you want to know what's going to happen read Acts Chapter 1. I know you all hate me for my views and ideas but there they are, I believed all that nonsense in the past and it's just that nonsense, something that was invented in the 18th Century not the faith once delivered to us by the Apostles.

Hi historyb,

I don't hate you for any reason!



What happens when this age ends? How do you see it?

Much love!

 

[historyb]

Hi historyb,

I don't hate you for any reason!



What happens when this age ends? How do you see it?

Much love!

The end of the age happened at the destruction of the Temple. The end of the age never meant the end of the world, remember Christ said there would be those standing there that would see these things come to pass and they did.

 

[Waiting on him]

It hasn't because the world is not bad enough yet, the Tribulation will be worst, then what there is today.

Even the current Pandemic/Riots are a walk in the park compared to the Great Tribulation.

Keep them all thinking in a straight line.

 

[Waiting on him]

You guys help me out, does Jesus leave from within us to go somewhere to return again? The reason I ask is because scripture says He never leaves for forsakes.


Hebrews 13:5 KJV
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Now I’ve heard all the arguments my friend was over just the other night and I asked him what the rapture was, he says it’s when Jesus comes to get His bride, but this makes no sense. I’m a child of God how can I be His bride?

 

[Bobby Jo]

... no one knows but God the Father, for even Christ ...

... the DAY or the HOUR, or the YEAR as asked?

Bobby Jo

 

[historyb]

You guys help me out, does Jesus leave from within us to go somewhere to return again? The reason I ask is because scripture says He never leaves for forsakes.


Hebrews 13:5 KJV
[5] Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Now I’ve heard all the arguments my friend was over just the other night and I asked him what the rapture was, he says it’s when Jesus comes to get His bride, but this makes no sense. I’m a child of God how can I be His bride?

Well the rapture is a piece of fiction. When He said He would be with us always, it is the Holy Spirit who is always with us and the Church as a whole is the bride of Christ not individuals

 

[Waiting on him]

Well the rapture is a piece of fiction. When He said He would be with us always, it is the Holy Spirit who is always with us and the Church as a whole is the bride of Christ not individuals

John the Baptist tells us who the bride is, and we are born of her and His seed remains in us. This is why I call Him Father.

 

[DNB]

... the DAY or the HOUR, or the YEAR as asked?

Bobby Jo

And I replied accordingly.

 

[Waiting on him]

Isaiah never says His name shall be called husband?


John 3:29 KJV
[29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
The way a read John only encountered Jesus once literally, question is what or who is this bride he sees him posses?

 

[Waiting on him]

Galatians 4:26-28 KJV
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

 

[historyb]

Can't go by the Bible alone for everything. Since the beginning the Church has been known as the bride of Christ. But since you all have to go by the Bible alone, even though the Bible never says to use it alone, here is an article that uses verses and explains it Bride of Christ - Wikipedia