All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Heyzeus]

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God (1 John 3:9).

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not; no one who sins has seen him, neither known him (1 John 3:6).

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Yes .. when in doubt .. quote vague passages you don't understand .. and nor do I in this case .. contradiction bells going off left right and center though .. and you might want to pay attention.

So why don't we start with John 3:3 ..

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again - "born from above" it says in the footnotes so which is it ... makes a huge difference.. but in any case..

5) Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Your passage differs than mine ? Standard NIV so can't go much further on this .. but yeah .. very strange.. and with stuff from John it gets that way .. colloquial language is in use here .. footnotes all over the place .. multiple translations.. one has to have a good understanding of the Logos concept .. and few do.

Let me know if you figure it out :)

The lust of this world is passing away; and he that doeth the will of the Lord abideth for ever (1 John 2:17)

This passage hearkens back to Matt 7 "The will of the Father" ..

 

[kcnalp]

You are the one one riding the fence - and now projecting your character traits onto others in an effort to evade. .. You are the one sentence wonder - not clarifying nor supporting your claims .. repetition of premise fallacy on steroids.

What fence would you like to ride today - Mr. Messiah - the one who thinks he knows who get's in and gets out.. and anyone who doesn't agree with his perspective is a Demon from Hell !!! Church loved your kind in the middle ages .. burn em all up yeah !

I say Jesus is sinless/GOOD. What about you? Don't ride your fence.

 

[DNB]

There is a problem here. If to you I am speaking in riddles then it is the experience you have that gives you insight to the words spoken.
The problem with us as humans is we think we are driven by our conclusions, but it is summaries and our emotional convictions that define our truth.
When I was young, I thought I could not betray myself, until I realised who I was, as a total person was designed to keep me stable within my current state and not find the truth. So whatever I thought or progressed, if it created instability I could not go there.

Our whole perception of everything is not free and unbound, like Pharoah our priorities and loyalties define how we act and what we accept.
We think we decide, while actually it is our foundations that decide for us. Jesus came to establish a different set of relationships, which define how we are, starting from us becoming like a child, and being built again from the ground up. Everything we are is learnt and built upon the world or upon Jesus. It is this foundation that determines our ultimate conclusions.

What are the issues Jesus criticised the pharisees for missing? Mercy, justice and faithfulness. We are so quick to break things that should not be compromised, to drop things because it is easy, to ignore situations because it costs less. But our fragility and this breaking of essential points, is the foundation of our failure, and learning these things are essential. Gods word only has value because He will keep it. Imagine if it was just an illusion, of what value would it be, how could it transform or even hint at who God is. Yet for us to change and lie is like a leaf blown in the wind, we count it as a minor thing, until we understand it is how we communicate and bring order to the world and society.

So when Thomas says "My Lord and my God" he means it. And to those who devalue Gods word and those who speak it, woe to them, for on that day they will answer to the King whose word it is. I have met so many who wish harm to me, who espouse sin and punishment for listening to Jesus, but I do listen and I do hear. And I do fear, for I know in His hand my whole life lies, and upon Him do I have everything He has taught me.

What can I have to lose if I am listening to Jesus? Nothing. If Jesus speaks, amen eternally. But to those who build their house on their own emotional drives, gnashing of teeth and weeping is their end. The warnings are clear, and the path to life for all who are willing to hear.
God bless you

Yes, but not all Pharaohs may be painted with the same brush. For if one has decreed such a law, then it does not necessarily follow that all subscribe to the same position. If I were to judge one's sentiments on a particular issue, and then conclude that not all truths bare the same weight of veracity, would I not be affirming that there are many levels or depths to truth?
Are we not all peering through a glass darkly, examining the level of clarity that the glass offers. For who would dare to drink from a dirty glass, or eat with unwashed hands. Did Jesus not state that it is not that which is ingested which defiles the man, but that which proceeds from his mouth, namely his heart. The heart is a mysterious thing, through it passed blood, but also love and hate. Therefore, why be over-righteous or over-wicked and destroy yourself before your time is due? Are we not all indebted to God or each other, in one manner or another? Therefore, pay your dues, give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's. And, always look both ways before crossing the road.

 

[kcnalp]

...the question is, should we believe you, ...on anything?

I didn't write the Book of John. Have you never read the Bible? lol
John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

 

[kcnalp]

I think that @kcnalp is a very credible source...I have never seen him preach any kind of false doctrine.

Thank you!

 

[DNB]

I think that @kcnalp is a very credible source...I have never seen him preach any kind of false doctrine.

He is renowned for it. Actually, he's rather prolific and incessant at it.

 

[kcnalp]

He is renowned for it. Actually, he's rather prolific and incessant at it.

For instance?

 

[Heyzeus]

I say Jesus is sinless/GOOD. What about you? Don't ride your fence.

That is nice that you are commenting how Jesus is without sin. Not sure what the point is but - when you figure it out let me know.

Me ? sinner - bad to the bone .. which is why I do not go around passing judgments which are the purview of Jeshua.
Judge not - lest you be judged by the same standard - and roast in the fiery pit that you wish to send others.

Reminds me of the fellow that built that bull which was to be used to roast a person alive .. the screams coming out pipes - making the sound of a Bull. The King was not impressed and put the inventor into the machine.

 

[Heyzeus]

He is renowned for it. Actually, he's rather prolific and incessant at it.

incessant inane gibberish often... condemning people to hell and so forth ! :)

 

[DNB]

For instance?

Sorry, too many to mention. But, in short, almost every time that you post something. In other words, you go ahead and pick one, it will speak for itself.

 

[DNB]

incessant inane gibberish often... condemning people to hell and so forth ! :)

Precisely!

 

[kcnalp]

That is nice that you are commenting how Jesus is without sin. Not sure what the point is but - when you figure it out let me know.

Me ? sinner - bad to the bone .. which is why I do not go around passing judgments which are the purview of Jeshua.
Judge not - lest you be judged by the same standard - and roast in the fiery pit that you wish to send others.

Reminds me of the fellow that built that bull which was to be used to roast a person alive .. the screams coming out pipes - making the sound of a Bull. The King was not impressed and put the inventor into the machine.

You rode the fence again. Let's try again.
"I say Jesus is sinless/GOOD. What about you? Don't ride your fence."

 

[kcnalp]

incessant inane gibberish often... condemning people to hell and so forth ! :)

For instance?

 

[kcnalp]

Sorry, too many to mention. But, in short, almost every time that you post something. In other words, you go ahead and pick one, it will speak for itself.

You can't even name one? So you lied?

 

[Heyzeus]

You rode the fence again. Let's try again.
"I say Jesus is sinless/GOOD. What about you? Don't ride your fence."

I agreed the last time - and have never claimed otherwise .. looks like the only one riding this pole is you ?

 

[kcnalp]

I agreed the last time - and have never claimed otherwise .. looks like the only one riding this pole is you ?

So you believe Jesus was good? It's a yes or no question. Can't you say Jesus was good and sinless?

 

[DNB]

You can't even name one? So you lied?

...need I say anymore!

 

[kcnalp]

...need I say anymore!

No, because you lied. You have ZERO proof.

 

[DNB]

No, because you lied. You have ZERO proof.

...like I said, every time that you speak you display your inanity.

 

[kcnalp]

...like I said, every time that you speak you display your inanity.

Like I said, you can't name one instance because you lied! Inanity? What's that?