All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

[Heyzeus]

Jesus was and is good because He was and is God.

And you know this how certainly not from Scripture but - lets go with your hypothesis - and it is God - All Powerful - almighty .. hanging there on the cross ..

Now if a God wanted to make an impression - he would get down off the cross and hurl a few lightning bolts .. then say "See .. I told you - now your in for it and restore Israel to former glory like in the old days.

but - no in some form of masochistic bliss .. this God forgets who he is - and starts calling out for himself - and saying that some God has forsaken him.

Folks watching don't see lightning - what they see is a regular crucifixion .. like any old day in Rome..

Sorry - but - I don't believe in a delusional God that can't remember who he is from one moment to the next .. or do you think it was the self induced masochistic bliss that did it ?

Should we feel sorry for this God hanging there ? I suppose it is sad for a God to get dimentia - maybe this one is on its last legs and needs to be replaced .. but don't feel sad for the suffering .. The God wanted to do this - self inflicted it was.. no big deal .. I sure God can handle it - God can blink away the pain at any moment .. ohhh .. but what if this God forgot how to do this - given the late stage alzheimers.

I wouldn't count on this God of yours remembering your name at the pearly gates..

 

[kcnalp]

Any good discussion of Ephesians should start out with the fact that Paul didn't write it

Ephesians 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

Hmm

 

[kcnalp]

actually no .. you have been the one carrying on .. numerous pointed insinuations - desperately trying to build a straw man -

Do you even remember your claim ? "I wasn't aware that believing in Jesus/God and the Bible were sins." suggesting I had stated that believing in Jesus was a sin .. and you added the Bible to the equation .. clearly there are sins in the Bible.. should we do as they did - and slaughter whole towns because of a few people in that town found to be worshiping other Gods...

Just go next door with an ax - take out your pregnant neighbors wife .. cause she had a statue of Buddha..

I would say that is a sin .. and so would Jesus.. Someone has clouded your mind - and it isn't Sataniel - fu real

You're highly confused my friend. lol

 

[ChristisGod]

WHY DO YOU WRITE ''SAME'' WHILE YOU DON'T MEAN ''SAME''? Or is blood not flesh and "OF THE ESSENCE OF BEING'' like "BONE" is ?

Belief in the eternal Hell is not required for residency therein. KCN Alp
Just one unadmitted lie is enough.

why do you write resurrection when you do not believe in Jesus Resurrection bodily(flesh) a real man, real body with real crucifixion scars, the same body in the grave was Resurrected ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Now if a God wanted to make an impression - he would get down off the cross and hurl a few lightning bolts .. then say "See .. I told you - now your in for it and restore Israel to former glory like in the old days.

but - no in some form of masochistic bliss .. this God forgets who he is - and starts calling out for himself - and saying that some God has forsaken him.

Folks watching don't see lightning - what they see is a regular crucifixion .. like any old day in Rome..

Sorry - but - I don't believe in a delusional God that can't remember who he is from one moment to the next .. or do you think it was the self induced masochistic bliss that did it ?

Should we feel sorry for this God hanging there ? I suppose it is sad for a God to get dimentia - maybe this one is on its last legs and needs to be replaced .. but don't feel sad for the suffering .. The God wanted to do this - self inflicted it was.. no big deal .. I sure God can handle it - God can blink away the pain at any moment .. ohhh .. but what if this God forgot how to do this - given the late stage alzheimers.

<<Now if a God wanted to make an impression - he would get down off the cross>> and do exactly as the <satanial> geists dared Him do.

<<and hurl a few lightning bolts>> "there was an earthquake" so there were lightning bolts as well, it cannot be denied one might imagine.

<<"See .. I told you - now your in for it and restore Israel to former glory like in the old days.>> so then that is what you say

<<this God forgets who he is>> Blatant lie. He spoke to his Father how would He not know who He was Himself? You blaspheme!

<<- and starts calling out for himself - and saying that some God has forsaken him>> Poor lie-BORROWER you are. Can't you think out your own lies? No, because you are too learned to even know your own bull's dust.

<<what they see is a regular crucifixion .. like any old day in Rome.>> More poorly informed learnedness. No regular crucifixion like any old day in Rome, for example, they used nails; the Romans crucified him against everyone's laws without proof of any misdemeanour. Again you blaspheme with the old regular Roman Catholic Antichrist blasphemies of today.
You won't suffer Alzheimers or dementia in God's late stage Judgement and every delusional dream you have of beckoning hedonistic pleasures in That Bone Day, you're gonna regret eternally.

 

[Taken]

And you know this how certainly not from Scripture but - lets go with your hypothesis - and it is God - All Powerful - almighty .. hanging there on the cross ..

Now if a God wanted to make an impression - he would get down off the cross and hurl a few lightning bolts .. then say "See .. I told you - now your in for it and restore Israel to former glory like in the old days.

but - no in some form of masochistic bliss .. this God forgets who he is - and starts calling out for himself - and saying that some God has forsaken him.

Folks watching don't see lightning - what they see is a regular crucifixion .. like any old day in Rome..

Sorry - but - I don't believe in a delusional God that can't remember who he is from one moment to the next .. or do you think it was the self induced masochistic bliss that did it ?

Should we feel sorry for this God hanging there ? I suppose it is sad for a God to get dimentia - maybe this one is on its last legs and needs to be replaced .. but don't feel sad for the suffering .. The God wanted to do this - self inflicted it was.. no big deal .. I sure God can handle it - God can blink away the pain at any moment .. ohhh .. but what if this God forgot how to do this - given the late stage alzheimers.

I wouldn't count on this God of yours remembering your name at the pearly gates..

The Word of God, came to Earth "as the Son of Man", in a Body of Flesh, God "prepared", (SINLESS), Expressly TO BE Given unto Death, For the the Payment of the (SIN), of Every Earthly man's (Corrupt/ Sin-FULL Body of Flesh).

Why would The VERY BODY of Jesus, that God Prepared TO Die, climb Down off the Cross, and Save THAT Very BODY from Dying?

Have you never promised to PAY the Debt of Your Own child? Milk money in school? Toys for your child on a credit card? A bank loan co- signing for a car or college?

And What? Then try to Find a WAY to wiggle out of Paying what You Promised You Would pay?

Jesus, The Son of Man, did NOT COME TO Earth (the First Time), With ALL Power.

Jesus, The Son of Man, Came to Earth, AS A Servant, TO men, AS A Minister OF Earthly men, TO TEACH "WILLING Earthly men", How To "ALSO", BE a Servant OF God, and Minister To Other Earthly men.

It is clearly obvious, You have no inclination of Gods Intent in Sending His Own Word To Earth, in a FASHION, men could HEAR, and SEE.

You would Do Well to Learn the Truth, Before you Reject the Truth.

But then FYI:
• God is JUST.
God FORCES "NO ONE", to hear, believe, trust, agree, or BE With Him.
• God is JUST
God Almighty has "Prepared" an Eternal Place "FOR" every Earthly man WITH Him "and" every Earthly man AGAINST Him.

BTW- When the Son of Man Returns...He Return WITH Power!!

THAT ^ should give you Satisfaction.
You Freely choosing TO Stand Against God...
God WILL accommodate you, in this Lifetime AND Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !
OP ^

TRUE!

Earthly Men can See the Body, That God Purposed IN Himself and Prepared FOR Earthly men TO SEE.
Earthly Men Can NOT See God, (as He IS), and Live.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hathpurposed in himself:

Heb 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Ex 33:
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.


It all hinges on an Earthly man's Willingness TO Believe, What They Can NOT See.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Truther]

And Jesus is God. John 1 The Word was God. The Word became flesh ...

No, YOU are "misspeaking". You are TWISTING Jesus' words.

No, you're not good. You're saying Jesus wasn't good.

What was Jesus inadvertently saying here?...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God

 

[Truther]

You said Jesus wasn't good. Stop lying!

I didn't say it, but HE said it....


And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God

 

[Truther]

Not good enough.



Jesus was and is good because He was and is God.

Then what exactly did he mean by this?...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God

 

[Truther]

Maybe you'll change your mind if you have the CORRECT rendering of Ephesians 1:22-23, "He is given to the Church as Head: THE ALL in all (the Church) fulfilling Fullness-OF-GOD". He <has> not the fullness only <<dwelling in Him>>-- He "IS The Fullness-of-God" overflowing and out-dwelling unto His Body The Church. The head is part of the body yet is not the body. The Fullness of God is the Head - Christ; the Body the Church is not God nor is it the Fullness of God.

He has all the entirety of the fullness of what God consists of, dwelling inside him, bodily.

This is exactly what Col 2:9 is saying.

 

[Truther]

That makes no sense ..

You need to be born again via Acts 2:38 to even qualify yourself to read Romans through Revelation(epistles).

These are letters to the churches only.

If you read them pre Acts 2:38, it is a form of mail theft.

 

[kcnalp]

I didn't say it, but HE said it....


And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God

You're not saying Jesus wasn't good? You're not being honest!

 

[kcnalp]

Then what exactly did he mean by this?...

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God

You totally ignored my comment!
"Jesus was and is good because He was and is God."

 

[kcnalp]

He has all the entirety of the fullness of what God consists of, dwelling inside him, bodily.

This is exactly what Col 2:9 is saying.

Yes, because Jesus is God. And He was always good in spite of you saying He wasn't good.

 

[Heyzeus]

Ephesians 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

Hmm

Ephesians was not written by Paul .. was written shortly after the Fall of the Temple - ~80 AD.

 

[FollowHim]

And you know this how certainly not from Scripture but - lets go with your hypothesis - and it is God - All Powerful - almighty .. hanging there on the cross ..

Now if a God wanted to make an impression - he would get down off the cross and hurl a few lightning bolts .. then say "See .. I told you - now your in for it and restore Israel to former glory like in the old days.

but - no in some form of masochistic bliss .. this God forgets who he is - and starts calling out for himself - and saying that some God has forsaken him.

Folks watching don't see lightning - what they see is a regular crucifixion .. like any old day in Rome..

Sorry - but - I don't believe in a delusional God that can't remember who he is from one moment to the next .. or do you think it was the self induced masochistic bliss that did it ?

Should we feel sorry for this God hanging there ? I suppose it is sad for a God to get dimentia - maybe this one is on its last legs and needs to be replaced .. but don't feel sad for the suffering .. The God wanted to do this - self inflicted it was.. no big deal .. I sure God can handle it - God can blink away the pain at any moment .. ohhh .. but what if this God forgot how to do this - given the late stage alzheimers.

I wouldn't count on this God of yours remembering your name at the pearly gates..

You are replaying a humanist view of the crucifixion. Jesus was talking about His emotional state, not the state of truth but of emotional relationship. If Jesus's crucifixion was just a holiday with the guys, a painful medicine with adequate pain relief, how could this be suffering or sin put an innocent man? For this to be difficult and meaningful Jesus had to be limited, had to suffer like any human would and at the end still say I forgive them rather than I am going to take revenge.

And this is the point of the gospel, love brought into our world and played out is ways we can understand, with our relative value system and relationships within family and society and country. It is this comparison that changed my life, and the path of transformation. How can I trust God with the things I hold most dear, unless I know I am secure with Him. And without the suffering and sacrifice, holding open the door to the last moment, doing the impossible, I cannot gamble everything on walking this walk.

It is this emotional equation that is the power of the cross and the statement of victory and overcoming that Jesus walked.
We are emotional creatures who feel things and then justify our choices and reaction through logical deduction. We try and hide our emotional side to limit manipulation not realising we manipulate ourselves and others all the time to just get through a day.

There is a belief that holds Jesus was spirit who appeared to suffer but did not on the cross, which is why Jesus's distress was important to bring out and demonstrate. And if you have met any parent who suffers for their children, you will know the pain is real, but worth it to give the opportunity to the kid. Jesus emphasises this value system in terms of reward, who deserves reward if you love you friends and those you like, but to love your enemy, or do die for others, that is worthy of reward. God bless you

 

[Heyzeus]

< Blatant lie. He spoke to his Father how would He not know who He was Himself? You blaspheme!

<<- and starts calling out for himself - and saying that some God has forsaken him>> Poor lie-BORROWER you are. Can't you think out your own lies? No, because you are too learned to even know your own bull's dust..

Keep up the lying accusations and I will report .. not that I care so much - but it is such abject nonsense to name call rather than come up with valid argument.

You did however state what you thought the lie was .. so kudo's for that - sometimes you get the slurs coming and don't even know what the person is referring to .. but OK .. you have a perspective on this which conflict ... claim Jesus was talking to his father and not himself.

OK- but you have now denied the Trinity Doctrine - the assumption of the story - was that it was God - "The Father" hanging on the cross - and perhaps you missed that part.

So it IS .. "The Father" hanging there..

 

[ChristisGod]

Ephesians was not written by Paul .. was written shortly after the Fall of the Temple - ~80 AD.

sure and mark did not write mark, luke did not write luke............

 

[Heyzeus]

The Word of God, came to Earth "as the Son of Man", in a Body of Flesh, God "prepared", (SINLESS), Expressly TO BE Given unto Death, For the the Payment of the (SIN), of Every Earthly man's (Corrupt/ Sin-FULL Body of Flesh).

Why would The VERY BODY of Jesus, that God Prepared TO Die, climb Down off the Cross, and Save THAT Very BODY from Dying?

Have you never promised to PAY the Debt of Your Own child? Milk money in school? Toys for your child on a credit card? A bank loan co- signing for a car or college?

And What? Then try to Find a WAY to wiggle out of Paying what You Promised You Would pay?

Jesus, The Son of Man, did NOT COME TO Earth (the First Time), With ALL Power.

Jesus, The Son of Man, Came to Earth, AS A Servant, TO men, AS A Minister OF Earthly men, TO TEACH "WILLING Earthly men", How To "ALSO", BE a Servant OF God, and Minister To Other Earthly men.

It is clearly obvious, You have no inclination of Gods Intent in Sending His Own Word To Earth, in a FASHION, men could HEAR, and SEE.

You would Do Well to Learn the Truth, Before you Reject the Truth.

But then FYI:
• God is JUST.
God FORCES "NO ONE", to hear, believe, trust, agree, or BE With Him.
• God is JUST
God Almighty has "Prepared" an Eternal Place "FOR" every Earthly man WITH Him "and" every Earthly man AGAINST Him.

BTW- When the Son of Man Returns...He Return WITH Power!!

THAT ^ should give you Satisfaction.
You Freely choosing TO Stand Against God...
God WILL accommodate you, in this Lifetime AND Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

Nothing you said above addresses the central issue .. The assumption is that it was "GOD" hanging there ... "The Father -Almighty - Most High" - and this God - Forgets who he is in some kind of masochistic dilerium

God FORCES "NO ONE", to hear, believe, trust, agree, or BE With Him.

I agree with this in general terms - but this is not how YHWH is depicted in the OT ... and certainly doctrine and dogma do not adhere to this.

But has nothing to do with God forgetting who he is .. or do you deny that "God is one Substance" .. one substance - with the Father - from whom all things are made ... ?

Are Jesus and God separate or not separate - mentally ? --- A) separate B) not separate C) Both

Answering just A or B is heresy - but denying B is heresy. Denial of A is not heresy - in general. specifically it is but someone claiming God is One is not heresy - you could say that it is on the basis of denying 3 distinct hypostasis - mistranslated as "Personages" .. 3 different substances.

So you can't be "the same substance" Homoousious - and not only be different substances - but 3 different substances.
The folks who wrote Trinity doctrine - and everyone else in society - believed there were 2 kinds of substances .. that which God was made of - and that which everything else was made of.

Do answering C is inherent contradiction - circular gibberish - "Unless" - you want to talk about 3 different emanations from the godhead ...3 separate individuals operating out of same energy source .. but we run into heresy very quickly down this path...

A) one substance B) more than one substance

Was it God hanging there on that tree or was it not ? .. or shall we compartmentalize God into different emanations - and give these different emanations personal names .. and now I like where this conversation is going..