The False Doctrine with key word "COVER"
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Ronald Nolette
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No it is called biblical.
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- a prominent heretical movement of the 2nd-century Christian Church, partly of pre-Christian origin. Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge, and that Christ was an emissary of the remote supreme divine being, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of whom enabled the redemption of the human spirit.
Yes they have! They are indwelt by the Spirit and children of God!
YOu are misunderstanding the verse.
No I have not. I write bluntly and directly which can be confused with being condescending, but I do not.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes we are spotless in the eyes of God. As it is written in Hebrews we have been perfected forever! Then the rest of teh verse- Now we are being sanctified. So that our lives match our position in Christ!
But you think that verse is no longer applicable to you for you see yourself as wholly sanctified in your life 24/7 365!
Ronald Nolette
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Sanctification is along with Justification. Once Justification happens, you ARE sanctified. It is not a life long process of overcoming sin as many are taught. (Part of the false doctrine.) It is not present and future, it is past tense! Once you have been cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, that includes taking away the DESIRE to sin, and creates desires for only righteousness.
We do what comes naturally, either to the old sinful nature, or the new born again nature. Those who are still a slave to sin, have NEVER been born again. The Spirit may still be in the process of drawing them, but they have never surrendered to allow the Spirit to even begin the good work towards perfection. Steps to perfection are in 2 Peter 1:5-7
Past tense (was sanctified)
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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Ronald Nolette
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Well if you knew the bible you would know how wrong you are!
Heb. 10:29 is not talking about a believer who had been saved, but a Jew who was not saved, brough to the understanding and rejected! And it is not talking about eternal torment, but the upcoming judgment of the destruction of Jerusalem and the death of over 1.1 million Jews.
YOu need to look at the original language for it is not past tense.
also you have accepted a false doctrine for the ones who have been perfected forever are being sanctified! Present passive participle- learn what that means for a verb,.
And Heb. 10:29 is aorist passive indiciative- not past tense! Sorry but this is why you who believe you are perfect in thought word or deed cannot and should not be taken seriously!
You base you rproclamation on a false understanding of Scripture and deny the word of God!
1 John 1:7-10
King James Version
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If you only understood what is being said here- you would never be so brash and arrogant as to think you have arrived and have been completely and totally sanctified and have no need for any furhter instruction.
BTW vse 10 is perfect active indiciative.
Verse 8: is present active indicative
with deceive being: present active indicative.
According to teh word of God- you are decieivng yourself and the truth is not in you!
I would say that the Lord sanctifies us not without our cooperation and agreement.
If that is so, give the biblical substantiation for your doctrine.
Nope.
It all depends on whether you read the verse in question (Hebrews 10:14) in the kjv or in one of the watered-down translations.
Let's take a look at Hebrews 10:29 and its context:
Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
In context, the people being spoken of have come to the knowledge of the truth; and the judgment and fiery indignation that is spoken of speaks to me of eternal judgment.
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I would heartily disagree with this my friend!
Our desire for sanctification may not match the sanctification God is working in us.
God sanctifies us, we do not sanctify ourselves, would you agree with this?
If you do, would you likewise agree that this says something about the timeline of how/when it happens?
Much love!
I don't understand your answer, how it relates to my question.
Much love!
I would heartily disagree with this my friend!
Our desire for sanctification may not match the sanctification God is working in us.
God sanctifies us, we do not sanctify ourselves, would you agree with this?
If you do, would you likewise agree that this says something about the timeline of how/when it happens?
Much love!
I don't understand your answer, how it relates to my question.
Much love!
Hi -
Interested in your thoughts on:
1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Thank you.
Glory to God,
Taken
I'll give you my thoughts on it.
John may have indeed been using hyperbole here to make a point...the point being that if anyone is truly born again, they will most definitely have a changed life.
My favorite scripture to quote when referring to this issue is Proverbs 4:18...from which we can obtain the understanding that if we are righteous before the Lord, our righteousness will be continually increasing and never decreasing...and also that there may come a perfect day wherein our righteousness may reach a plateau of the perfection that Jesus required in Matthew 5:48.
Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
Mat 5:43, Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44, But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45, That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46, For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47, And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
I think that in the latter passage, it is possible to be perfect in what Jesus is talking about. That is what the Holy Spirit is for; and I believe that the provision for us to be obedient in this area of morality is given in Romans 5:5.
“ getting it right” is something we never accomplish.....Jesus “ got it 100% right FOR me 2000 years ago and I got all the benefit simply because I rest in Paul’s Gospel Of Pure Grace , Given to Him by Jesus.....He got my sins and I got His Perfection.....what a deal! What a God !
It is interesting to number how many verses your beliefs contradict. And it is sad that you don't know that. The context of 1 John 1:8 is 1 John 1:9 (before and after)
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When I sin I do the same thing with it that God does ....I put it on the Cross and like God , I leave it there.....He actually does me one better....He Forgets about it ....that’s The Love Of God....His Grace is a manifestation of that Love....How can one be the Beneficiary Of such Love and not have the desire to respond in kind? Love is the True Engine that drives Everything in God ‘s Plan For Fallen Mankind ....He owes us Nothing... We can add nothing to him.....yet He showers us with His Love and Blessings every hour of every day.....
Sin...sin... sin.....obedience.....obedience.....obedience......the broken record of those that do not really KNOW God......If your “ Obedience” is not motivated by a Love for God and if it does not come naturally - not a fear based obedience that stems from thinking that God is some “ mean old man in the sky” that can’t wait to cast you into the pits of Hell—- don’t waste your time with your “obedience”. Any type of Good Behavior Beats BAD Behavior, so don’t misunderstand me......Morality is great, morality brings its own rewards, but Morality and Even a great Obedience won’t get you saved and it won’t keep you Saved.....If your Obedience is stemming from the Satanic Lie that tells you that you are Saved and Remaining Saved By your Performance and Obedience to the Law it is all Dead Works .
Does one have to “know God” in order to be Saved? I don’t know .THIS I DO KNOW.....If you Obey out of Fear instead of Love.....you do not know God.May God bless us all in the understanding of these things...
Why do you sin in the first place? Aren't you born again? 1 John 3:9; 1 John 5:18
What is God's grace? Scripture, please.
How dare you insult me! The only thing that I have ever “ bought into” was “ SUPER” Easy Grace....some day you will wish that you had done the same—- you are a MUCH Bigger Sinner than you think you are.....”where Sin abounds, Grace SUPER abounds”...... lol.....that FACT sure gets your panties in a bunch, doesn’t it ? God forgive me—— I LOVE it!
I am not a Sinner because I Sin—- I Sin because I am a Sinner....just like you...
I used to have only One Nature—- my Old Adamic Nature ....I Sinned and Loved Doing it....When I became “ Born Again” God Gave me a New Heart and A New Spirit and it is Impossible for that New Spirit to Sin....
These two natures are constantly warring against each other....Paul describes each nature in Romans 7 .....He describes one part of himself thusly—“ In me dwelling NO good thing” .....still talking about himself he also says “ I delight in the Law Of God”...... One Man—- TWO Natures.....
If your Doctrine Of “ Sinless Perfection” For Believers were True, if we could somehow rid ourselves of all of the Sins in our life and make that old sin nature disappear for good, there would be no reason for Paul to tell us to “ yield not “ to that old man.He is still in there and we are warned not to listen to him.Those That think they Are somehow Above Sin are-Guilty Of one of the biggest sins of all—- Spiritual Pride.You had best watch out for that....I suspect that you are already there.
Grace is “ unmerited Favor” ....instead of getting what YOU deserve, God gives you what JESUS deserves.....All because you gave God what he wants.....Faith in His Son ...
Grace is bigger and better than Mercy.....I used to think that they were both the same thing.....nope.....
If you are speeding and you get pulled over by a cop and he lets you go—- that is Mercy....If you are Guilty Of speeding, a cop pulls you over , he lets you go But also gives you $1000 —- THAT is Grace....
I don’t worry about the precise , Biblical definition of Grace.....all I know about it is the fact that God grants it to me and uses it to save me.....if I am trusting Jesus Alone for my Salvation....
I will say again that if "your" righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will in no wise enter in to the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:20).
You have been given an imputed righteousness because of faith in Christ...He has justified you even though you are ungodly (Romans 4:5)...He has given you a new identity, and has declared you righteous....that is your new identity, even when you blow it..."you are righteous".
Now that you have this new identity, go and live like it.
If you are doer of righteousness, you are righteous even as Christ is righteous (1 John 3:7).
The righteousness that the Lord gives to a man is practical and imparted; not only imputed (Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
The blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9); it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses from all sin (1 John 1:7).
Is it possible that, when applied, the blood of Christ would do one thing without also doing the other?
You have been given an imputed righteousness because of faith in Christ...He has justified you even though you are ungodly (Romans 4:5)...He has given you a new identity, and has declared you righteous....that is your new identity, even when you blow it..."you are righteous".
Now that you have this new identity, go and live like it.
If you are doer of righteousness, you are righteous even as Christ is righteous (1 John 3:7).
The righteousness that the Lord gives to a man is practical and imparted; not only imputed (Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
The blood of Jesus does not only justify (as per Romans 5:9); it also sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses from all sin (1 John 1:7).
Is it possible that, when applied, the blood of Christ would do one thing without also doing the other?
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