@Christophany
First thanks for the reply, second, I thank you for at least asking, this is a good sign of a truthful discussion, so again I thank you for the question.
now to business, the
plurality of God. how is God a "US", and "OUR", but yet he's a "He", and "His" wich are single person designations. the ANSWER is in "DIVERSITY", and simply, what is "DIVERSITY", the "EQUAL" Sharing of ONE's OWNSELF in another "FORM". better put in the term of G243 ALLOS, which means "another" of one's ownself numerically shared. NOTICE of one's "OWN", were have we see this "OWN"-SELF BEFORE? scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine
own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." God's "
own" ARM is not "DISTINCT", nor "SEPERATE" from himself. but his "OWN" ARM in flesh is he, HIM-self in flesh. meaning he is his own "EQUAL" of himself DIVERSIFIED/shared in flesh. Notice not "EQUAL TO" as in a separate PERSON, no, but EQUAL "
WITH", meaning the same PERSON. lets get understanding.
Isaiah and John both expressed this Equal of Sharing of One's own-self, "WITH" as ONE PERSON, listen. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God,
and the Word was God."
notice John said that that the "WORD" was "WITH" God, and the Word
was God. so do "WITH" means another "separate" and "Distinct" person? no, and lets prove it out by the scriptures. for most people think "WITH" means someone else, distinct, and separate is along side, or next to the one person God. lets see if that's true or not. we know that Jesus is the "FIRST" and the LAST... right. now lets understand this, by the scriptures.
Scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD,
the first, and
with the last; I am he."
here, we have the same word "WITH" as in John 1:1. the Word was "with" God, but is God, the same one person, but how?. here in Isaiah the same terminology is used, the First is
with the Last. many think that that the First is one person, and the Last is the second person... wrong, and here's why. right in Isaiah, it states this about the First and the Last, and here is your answer to God's plurality as one person.
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;
I am he;
I am the first,
I also am the last." BINGO, it's not two persons, but one PERSON that is the NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, or the EQUAL SHARE of God himself in flesh. HOW DO WE KNOW THIS, God in flesh? great question, we go to the Shema God's Holy Word. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is
one LORD:" God is Spirit, then come in flesh. so here at Deuteronomy 6:4, God who is Spirit is the creator and is LORD, meaning he's the title holder, Father.
here's what the term "ONE" means in Hebrew, it's H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
most scholars, and lay Christians look only at definition #1. and get mislead. meaning they think that God is a UNITY. by definition, a unity consist of two or more individuals coming together as a whole. so before God was a unity it was three Gods? see by definition it fails. God have never been a unity.
but look at definition #2.
an ordinal first. just like in Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning?
I the LORD, (LORD, Deuteronomy 6:4), the first, and
with the last;
I am he." notice the same "First" in Deuteronomy 6:4 is the same "First" in Isaiah 41:4. notice the "
I" for the LORD all caps, a single person designation.
now the Last, "Lord". who is God in flesh, per. John 1:1, and John 1:14.... the "LAST", Adam....., listen to God HOLY WORD. 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the
last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
now what is the definition of "Last" here, G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).
[a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)]
KJV: ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost
Root(s): G2192
farthest? final?. another word for farthes is LAST. and another word for final.... is "end" like in, Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come,
the Almighty." Hold it the end, or the final one is the ALMIGHTY, the "Lord"... yes, for the "ONE" who is the beginning and the end, or the final one is also the First and the last who is the LORD all caps who is Father, let read it. Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end,
the first and the last." (BINGO)
now God is a single person who is to come in flesh as a man/Adam, making him a "US" and "OUR"...... but to do that he had to share himself in that flesh "EQUALLY", because there is no one eles "beside" him, for as LORD he as alone, and by himself. just as he can sware by no other he sware by HIMSELF. so in the beginning he prophesied, or told us that he was coming in his, his, "OWN" image which is man. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
who is the figure of him that was to come."
that term "
figure" is "FORM", it's the Greek word, G5179 τύπος tupos (tï '-pos) n.
1. a die (as struck).
2. (by implication) a stamp or scar.
3. (by analogy) a shape, i.e. a statue.
4. (figuratively) style or resemblance.
5. (specially) a sampler (“type”), i.e. a model (for imitation) or instance (for warning).
[from G5180]
KJV: en-(ex-)ample,
fashion, figure,
form, manner, pattern, print
notice definition #3. "
Shape", and see how the KJV can translate the Word, "
form", now scripture to back this up, shape, and Form". Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the
form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" (this form was of God "Spirit", the LORD), but watch,
Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the
form of a servant, and was made
in the likeness of men:" (BINGO, there is that form, shape, a man form, meaning, HIS "OWN" IMAGE that was to come, meaning the "US", the "OUR", as was spoke in Genesis 1:26, other words the "First"/LORD and the "Last"/Lord. there is God's plurality, the First/
title "Father", the Last/
title "Son", God in Flesh. same person, only Shared equally in flesh.
Philippians 2:8 "And being found
in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
there's that FASHION/SHAPE/FORM, God's OWN IMAGE... MAN... (BINGO).
that's why God always referred to himself in the OT as "
I", or ME, or MY.
amd at Genesis 1:26, he was stating that the US and the OUR was to come, which it did when he showed up in flesh. . BINGO. God is a plurality of his own-self in flesh.
that why, and how, he as some poster say, "Stayed back in heaven/eternity" while the son in flesh died on the cross. well he did it by not being a second separate and distinct person, no, but as his own-self doing his own work in salvation, it was his own self as the equal share of himself in flesh. (NOW THE ARM OF GOD IS A WHOLE TOPIC BY ITSELF).
understand the working of GOD,
1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts,
but the same Spirit."
1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations,
but the same Lord."
1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is
the same God which worketh all in all." BINGO.
Same Spirit/Father/LORD/FIRST,
and the SAME Lord/Son/spirit/LAST, what did the scripture say? "but it is
the same God which worketh all in all". ONLY ONE PERSON.
so the "
I" is a numerical difference of his "OWN"self as Isaiah 63:5 states. which is his "OWN" image to come in flesh.
so it's not two persons as Father and Son. no, it's only one Person who holds both titles Father and Son, which answer your Jesus baptism question clearly.
We suggest one re-read this post for clearity, if one need any help in understanding, just ask.
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