Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

[07-07-07]

While I don't believe obedience is a condition of salvation I do believe that people should be serving God and be committed to his will to be saved.

Luke 6
[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

 

[brightfame52]

I give credit to God. If he did not draw me I never would have repented. If he did not teach me and help
Me understand I would never have repented if he did not die for me I would never have a means to repent

he did the work to empower me to repent and by it I am saved

God the Spirit here is being given credit for the obedience from the heart!

 

[07-07-07]

lol this passage has to do with the physical nation of israel, nothing to do with Salvation through Christ, you way out of context !

False. That passage is not about the nation of Israel, but about individual people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes God does all the work in saving a lost sinner, thats why He deserves all the credit for it, duh !

Yep

and repentance and faith in god is not a work

I can’t take credit in trusting a person who is able to completely save me the credit goes To the savior

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God the Spirit here is being given credit for the obedience from the heart!

Yep

but I still had to chose. I could have rejected. And God gets the credit either way

 

[07-07-07]

That passage is talking about the tribulation period and physical life

salvation is a one time event. But the process to being you to that event may take awhile

Enduring to the end requires obedience to be saved. What's more, it is written to work out your Salvation with fear and trembling. It's a process.

Philippians 2
[12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Enduring to the end requires obedience to be saved. What's more, it is written to work out your Salvation with fear and trembling. It's a process.

Philippians 2
[12] Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

1 enduring to the end speaks if people living in tribulation period and enduring until Christ returns. That people will survive the tribulation and be saved

work out salvation it is a salvation you have not one your trying to earn

you can not earn salvation my friend if you could Christ died in vein

 

[brightfame52]

False. That passage is not about the nation of Israel, but about individual people.

Yes it is about Israel, its in the context. more blatant disregard for plain scripture Ezk 33:11


Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

[brightfame52]

Yep

and repentance and faith in god is not a work

I can’t take credit in trusting a person who is able to completely save me the credit goes To the savior

Repentance , God gets the credit for. Its part of the saving work of Christ, He gives it to His elecy as their Saviour Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Repentance , God gets the credit for. Its part of the saving work of Christ, He gives it to His elecy as their Saviour Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

He offers it to all

not all will obey

that’s why they have no excuse

 

[brightfame52]

Yep

but I still had to chose. I could have rejected. And God gets the credit either way

No God the Spirit is being given credit, not anyone choosing. The writer says Thank God for you obedience, not your choosing. God here is the Spirit of God working in the individual causing their obedience !

 

[brightfame52]

He offers it to all

not all will obey

that’s why they have no excuse

False doctrine He gives to Israel, His Elect People ! Read Acts 5:31 again

 

[brightfame52]

Yes it is about Israel, its in the context. more blatant disregard for plain scripture Ezk 33:11


Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Right its about israel and their national covenant, which has nothing to do with Salvation through Christ.

 

[07-07-07]

1 enduring to the end speaks if people living in tribulation period and enduring until Christ returns. That people will survive the tribulation and be saved.

While that may be the context of the Scripture, it still stands that enduring is what is required to be saved. No obedience = no Salvation.

work out salvation it is a salvation you have not one your trying to earn

you can not earn salvation my friend if you could Christ died in vein

It has nothing to do with earning your Salvation, but fruit of your born again experience; your new nature has new desires, which include obedience to God. We are His workmanship.

Ephesians 2
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False doctrine He gives to Israel, His Elect People ! Read Acts 5:31 again

He gives to all who believe. Read John 3 4 6 and many other passages

 

[07-07-07]

Yes it is about Israel, its in the context. more blatant disregard for plain scripture Ezk 33:11


Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

You're not properly dividing the Word of Truth.

Ezekiel 18
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
[5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
[6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
[7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
[8] He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
[9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.
[10] If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
[11] And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
[12] Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
[13] Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
[14] Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
[15] That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
[16] Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
[17] That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
[18] As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
[19] Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

While that may be the context of the Scripture, it still stands that enduring is what is required to be saved. No obedience = no Salvation.




It has nothing to do with earning your Salvation, but fruit of your born again experience; your new nature has new desires, which include obedience to God. We are His workmanship.

Ephesians 2
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Are you perfect? If not you have failed to be obedient enough

As hames said one can be perfect in all things and stumble in one point he is guilty


You can never be good enough to earn salvation

 

[07-07-07]

Are you perfect? If not you have failed to be obedient enough

As hames said one can be perfect in all things and stumble in one point he is guilty


You can never be good enough to earn salvation

Please don't conflate obedience with a "since we can never be good enough" attitude. If you love Jesus, you will be obedient.

John 14
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

[brightfame52]

He gives to all who believe. Read John 3 4 6 and many other passages

He gives it to Israel read Acts 5:31

 

[brightfame52]

You're not properly dividing the Word of Truth.

Ezekiel 18
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
[5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
[6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
[7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
[8] He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
[9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.
[10] If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
[11] And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
[12] Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
[13] Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
[14] Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
[15] That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
[16] Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
[17] That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
[18] As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
[19] Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
[20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Hey its on you, but you show a lack of understanding in this matter. Gods covenant with Israel was National and Physical, nothing to do with Salvation through Christ.