Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

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Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Many people know about God, but less actually are converted and follow God. As Christ did at Gethsemane we must set aside all and follow Gods will. Jesus came across someone who asked this same question:

Matthew 19:16-17
"16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.'

This young ruler obviously lived “a good life.” He’d convinced himself that he had “made it” in both before others and in his spiritual life. Yet, for all that, he sensed something was missing.

Was Jesus telling the rich young ruler to do something meritorious when He told him to keep the commandments? Obviously not, for salvation is "not of works, lest any man should boast." But was Jesus telling this man plainly what the condition of salvation was? If we will enter into eternal life, what is necessary?

What was Christ saying to the rich young ruler. Was obedience a condition or a requirement that we must meet before God can save us? If we look, Christ wanted more than obedience, Christ was showing that true obedience includes our outward deeds, but it is not just our outward deeds. True obedience is both the outward deed and the inner motive that prompts the deed.

We see Christ get to this with the rich young ruler:
Matthew 19:20-22
"20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions."

In order to be saved a person must be converted, and conversion is what makes true obedience possible. Unconverted people cannot truly obey God, they can "talk" about God, but not fully "walk" with Him. The condition or the basis for our salvation is faith. The result of our salvation is obedience. Those who aren't really converted and will be lost at the end, can’t obey. The truly converted or saved at the end, will show the fruits of the Spirit..

Ephesians 5:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

I believe in this and other of these types of conversations Jesus was trying to get them to think.

moses required that the children of Isreal confirm each command and and to follow every letter. Failure to do this brought about a curse (see also gal 3 where paul shows this)

this person and many thought they were ok, so jesus said to obey the commands, instead of the person saying he failed already, he walked away,

just like the rich person, who walked away sad

niether person would admit they failed to keep the law. Both insisted they kept it. When in reality, as Jesus said, no one is Good but God. Everyone else, as paul would later tell us aphave sinned and fall short of Gods standard.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Randy



Without Salvation their can be no repentance!

Can you explain?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

jbf



Backwards, Salvation must be given in order to repent ! Otherwise men are dead in sin, alienated from God



Its the other way around, the unorthodox idea is that dead man can repent without being saved first



And it is



Nah it accompanies Salvation



Nothing has changed. As the Prophet once wrote Jer 31:19

Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

One can not be saved in sin

one can not be forgiven of sin apart fro. Justification

one can not be justified apart from faith

no one will ever come to faith unless they truly repent.

you seem to have things backwards my friend

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You still have it backwards

No, you do, see above

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have it backwards, God caused the obedience to the Gospel, thats why Paul said God be Thanked for it. Its plain as Day

God allowed obedience to the gospel

he did not Cause it, if this is true he caused people to reject and go to hell,

thus any possibility of any real relationship with anyone is destroyed, we are all robots

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks for the welcome!

But those who keep (obey) the commandments after repentance and belief enter into the holy city; as the scripture below plainly states.

Revelation 22:14 KJV
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

And;

Proverbs 13:13 KJV
Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

Those are descriptive verses not prescriptive

gods people are not required to obey, they by nature do, as apposed to those who are not god, who by nature do not,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

There is nothing to reconcile.

After receiving the gift of salvation, you are now required to take up your cross, and follow Christ in his example of suffering.

No one earns salvation.

But must walk worthy of it once receiving it.

Ephesians 4:1 KJV
[1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called

So we can not earn it to get it, but to keep it we must earn it

is this not a backdoor entrance into works salvation?

ie, God gives us a down payment, then tells us we must earn it or he will take it back,

 

[07-07-07]

Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

Absolutely.

 

[07-07-07]

The only obedience necessary to save someone is the obedience of Christ. By His obedience alone many shall be made righteous/saved Rom 5:19

False doctrine.

 

[brightfame52]

One can not be saved in sin

one can not be forgiven of sin apart fro. Justification

one can not be justified apart from faith

no one will ever come to faith unless they truly repent.

you seem to have things backwards my friend

Error here. Those Christ died for, His Sheep, are reconciled to God by His death alone even while they are being enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[brightfame52]

False doctrine.

Wow, Rom 5:19 is false doctrine you say. Thats very brazen !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Error here. Those Christ died for, His Sheep, are reconciled to God by His death alone even while they are being enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

No error. No one comes to
Faith apart from repentance and no one is saved apart from faith

what you state is true in that I was reconciled to god by his death. But that does not negate I am saved by faith

 

[brightfame52]

God allowed obedience to the gospel

he did not Cause it, if this is true he caused people to reject and go to hell,

thus any possibility of any real relationship with anyone is destroyed, we are all robots

Why do you think the writer said Thank God you obeyed. He is giving credit to God the Spirit for His Power to bring the individual to Gospel obedience.

 

[07-07-07]

You still have it backwards

Salvation is a process, not a one time event. The one-time event, the point where you're willing to forsake your sins and follow Jesus, is just the beginning of the process of Salvation. He that endures to the end shall be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

No error. No one comes to
Faith apart from repentance and no one is saved apart from faith

what you state is true in that I was reconciled to god by his death. But that does not negate I am saved by faith

Wow more blatant disregard for what Rom 5:10 stated. Now according to that verse what state were they in when they were reconciled to God ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why do you think the writer said Thank God you obeyed. He is giving credit to God the Spirit for His Power to bring the individual to Gospel obedience.

I give credit to God. If he did not draw me I never would have repented. If he did not teach me and help
Me understand I would never have repented if he did not die for me I would never have a means to repent

he did the work to empower me to repent and by it I am saved

 

[brightfame52]

I give as evidence for my case Ezekiel 33:11-20.

Eze 33:11, Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze 33:12, Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13, When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14, Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15, If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16, None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17, Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18, When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19, But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
Eze 33:20, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

lol this passage has to do with the physical nation of israel, nothing to do with Salvation through Christ, you way out of context !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Salvation is a process, not a one time event. The one-time event, the point where you're willing to forsake your sins and follow Jesus, is just the beginning of the process of Salvation. He that endures to the end shall be saved.

That passage is talking about the tribulation period and physical life

salvation is a one time event. But the process to being you to that event may take awhile

 

[brightfame52]

If God does all the work, and our choice plays no role, then the NT Scriptures are wrong when they call upon men to repent and to accept Christ. To respond to the offer of salvation one must choose to be saved *before one is saved.* It is indeed a human choice, which is what the Scriptures say we must do.

Yes God does all the work in saving a lost sinner, thats why He deserves all the credit for it, duh !