Is Obedience a Condition of Salvation?

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Eternally Grateful

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Amen to that scripture, EG!

But lest we get highminded we are reminded to follow after righteousness as well. You cannot corner God into a worldly tradition.
John said we can’t live In sin, if we can’t live as we did before we were saved we will not fall out of salvation
 

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Yes, obedience IS... definitely a condition to receive Christ's Salvation. The opposite of obedience shown in God's Word is called 'falling away'.

Heb 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
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So fall away from Christ to bear metaphorical thorns and briers, unto cursing, and your end will be to be burned.


This is why our Lord Jesus through Apostle John told us to repent to Him when we mess up with future sin. And we will have future sins, because none of us can be literally perfect in this flesh, for all have been concluded under sin by The Scriptures so that Salvation would be to those who believe (Galatians 3:22).
 
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Yes, obedience IS... definitely a condition to receive Christ's Salvation. The opposite of obedience shown in God's Word is called 'falling away'.

Heb 6:4-8
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
KJV


So fall away from Christ to bear metaphorical thorns and briers, unto cursing, and your end will be to be burned.


This is why our Lord Jesus through Apostle John told us to repent to Him when we mess up with future sin. And we will have future sins, because none of us can be literally perfect in this flesh, for all have been concluded under sin by The Scriptures so that Salvation would be to those who believe (Galatians 3:22).
Those who fall away are apostates who never had true faith in the beginning.
 

Eternally Grateful

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You talking about something entirely different from me, which shows you dont even pay attention in your debate /discussion. Its a waste of time if you dont pay attention
Or maybe your not paying attention to me

I am talking about repentance which leads to faith which leads to salvation
 

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Um wrong, we do not sin by mistake, that’s a cop out, take credit for your sins man.

You're in opposition to the Word of God.

Numbers 15
[27] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
[28] And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
[29] Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
[30] But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[31] Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
 

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You're in opposition to the Word of God.

Numbers 15
[27] And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
[28] And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
[29] Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
[30] But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[31] Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
Ignorance is not knowing something is sin

this happens to new believers

that’s different by committing a sin you know is sin, then declaring it was an accident

yet even those sins, by defenition, makes you guilty, as you see, even that sin needed atoned.

all have sinned, that includes you, you can’t meet Gods requirments
 

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all have sinned, that includes you, you can’t meet Gods requirments

All have sinned. But all do not continue to sin. Woe unto them if they continue to sin willfully after conversion to the faith in Christ.

Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
 

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All have sinned. But all do not continue to sin. Woe unto them if they continue to sin willfully after conversion to the faith in Christ.

Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves
I am saddened by those who are decieved into thinking they they have no sin
 

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All have sinned. But all do not continue to sin. Woe unto them if they continue to sin willfully after conversion to the faith in Christ.

Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
The sin here is apostacy, denying the faith you supposedly had believed.
 

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Ignorance is not knowing something is sin

this happens to new believers

that’s different by committing a sin you know is sin, then declaring it was an accident

yet even those sins, by defenition, makes you guilty, as you see, even that sin needed atoned.

all have sinned, that includes you, you can’t meet Gods requirments

Again, there is a difference between willful sin and sin without knowledge, and the Scriptures confirm it. The Saints of God do not willfully sin, but sinners do.

John 5
[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
 
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If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves

You should put the verse in context, EG.

The complete scripture you quoted from says this in connection to salvation. Those who deny the need of salvation claiming to have no sin to need atonement for are the ones deceived.

Those who confess their sins can rightly claim to have no sin after the cleansing that Christ’s blood provides.

1 John 1:8-10 KJV
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 

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lol a believer sins willfully everyday.

The may be believers, but they're not Saints; and it's the Saints who go marching in, not sinners -- whether believers or not.

1 John 3
[7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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