Apostolic councils?

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, Wis 5:17-20 is almost verbatim with Eph 6:13-17, but my point was, such an analogy was not uncommon throughout history, I believe even in secular writings - I can't recall where else I read a similar expression outside the Bible.
Look, I even accept some Catholic tenets, as did Luther and other non or anti-Catholics - that doesn't make anyone but the self-professed Catholics, Catholic, that goes without saying. How ridiculous to try and make an equation over one shared conviction.

You bring up a very good point about Jesus and his disciple's usage of the Septuagint. I don't have a substantial response right now, I will have to look into this further as to what they may have considered it's inspiration to be. Paul quoted secular works as words of wisdom, not as inspired text. For, even Socrates, Buddha or Ghandi, had wise insights, it wouldn't be heretical nor compromising one's allegiance by quoting them. The expression 'two wrongs do not make a right' is not in the Bible, but undeniably true. 'Do not retaliate' is in the Bible, but not the explanation of, exactly as in the previous example, which is not the same as 'vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord'.

First of all - Paul doesn't quote platitudes by Socrates or Buddha in Scripture.
Scripture is the inerrant Word of Almighty God and is breathed out by GOD Himself (2 Tim. 3:16).

As I showed you - it was MEN in the 2nd century who decided to EDIT Scripture and jettison Books that they no longer agreed with.
And it was MEN some 1500 years later who chose to side with THEM instead of God for the sole purpose of further divorcing themselves from the Church.

 

[DNB]

If not for your perverted, revisionist "histories" - your posts would be a LOT shorter.
Time for another history lesson . . .

YOU claim that for 1000 years, the laity could "own" and read the Latin Vulgate. This is absolute nonsense.
For starters - the printing press hadn't yet been invented, so Bibles were HANDWRITTEN. Because of this, they took YEARS to copy and were extremely expensive to produce. The laity didn't "own" Bibles. In fact - they were chained to pulpits during this time so they wouldn't be stolen.

Secondly, as much as 85% of the general public was functionally ILLITERATE and would have NO NEED for owning a Bible - even if they could afford one.

Finally - it wasn't until the Council of Toulouse in the 13th century that owning a Bible became illegal because of all of the spurious and erroneous copies being made - like Wycliffe's version that was corrupt and full of heresy.

Read Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham, which talks about the MANY translations into other languages BEFORE Wycliffe's perversion (Ch. 11, “Vernacular Scriptures Before Wycliff”). Tyndale's botched version was NO better.

So, so your HOMEWORK - then come back and try to have a reasoned discussion . . .

I didn't say that the populace at large either owned or read the Scriptures, but simply that they were forbidden to do so. Either way, The Catholic church persecuted many unto death who possessed a vernacular edition of the Bible.
Man BOL, you have the rationale of a conspiracy theorist, you are extremely indoctrinated. Why are you so faithful towards such an institution as the Roman Catholic Church, ...or any Church?
Like I said, the majority of my convictions are probably protestant, but I have absolutely no regard or esteem for any protestant theologian or entity, outside of a few interesting tenets that they may have brought to light, subjectively speaking. Again, I am not convinced of the salvation of any of these men of influence - it's simply between me and God, I have no faith in Spurgeon, Whitfield, Luther, Arminius, Calvin....

 

[DNB]

First of all - Paul doesn't quote platitudes by Socrates or Buddha in Scripture.
Scripture is the inerrant Word of Almighty God and is breathed out by GOD Himself (2 Tim. 3:16).

As I showed you - it was MEN in the 2nd century who decided to EDIT Scripture and jettison Books that they no longer agreed with.
And it was MEN some 1500 years later who chose to side with THEM instead of God for the sole purpose of further divorcing themselves from the Church.

Paul quoted Menander in the book of Acts and in 1 Corinthians, and quoted Epimenides in the book of Titus. By doing so, he is not affirming their divine auspices, but merely applying wisdom to his defense of the Gospel, and making reference to philosophies that they can understand and relate to (I become all things, to all men)

Acts 17:28, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Titus 1:12

 

[amigo de christo]

i understand. but, much of this still goes on today. if you let it go, turn a blind eye, nothing will ever change. shouldnt we try to be better that that.

no retreat , no surrender . I have heard that saying so many times .
OH you will never find a perfect church . my repsonse is . OH i know the people are not perfect .
BUT THE DOCTRINE HAS TO BE PERFECT . STAY IN BIBLES . that is the only way the church will mature and grow .
DOCTRINE MUST BE PERFECT . ONLY TRUTH can be taught . THEY cant argue with that , THOUGH THEY DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

I once sat down and started to read the gospel of Thomas. I didn't make it through the first chapter before I realized that it was pure garbage. Definitely not inspired by God. Shalom.

SPOT ON RIGHT MY FRIEND . SPOT ON RIGHT . Guess that is the three words today . SPOT ON RIGHT .
STICK TO BIBLES my friends .

 

[amigo de christo]

HERE IS TRUTH . to pilate and everyone else . WHAT IS WRITTEN and RECORDED IN THAT BIBLE .
NOW , if anyone else comes along , WE TEST what they say and teach against the BIBLE .
Now how simple is that .

 

[jaybird]

no retreat , no surrender . I have heard that saying so many times .
OH you will never find a perfect church . my repsonse is . OH i know the people are not perfect .
BUT THE DOCTRINE HAS TO BE PERFECT . STAY IN BIBLES . that is the only way the church will mature and grow .
DOCTRINE MUST BE PERFECT . ONLY TRUTH can be taught . THEY cant argue with that , THOUGH THEY DO .

i never said anything about churches needing to be perfect. my point is we should question all things and always try to be better. IMO there are to many that think the status quo of the faith is fine, when i read about thousands of innocent people being killed on orders from the church, that leads me to think something is not right. so where did it all go wrong?

 

[amigo de christo]

i never said anything about churches needing to be perfect. my point is we should question all things and always try to be better. IMO there are to many that think the status quo of the faith is fine, when i read about thousands of innocent people being killed on orders from the church, that leads me to think something is not right. so where did it all go wrong?

I can see you are very used to be attacked . READ again what i said . THIS was not an attack against you .
READ real , real slowly .

 

[amigo de christo]

i never said anything about churches needing to be perfect. my point is we should question all things and always try to be better. IMO there are to many that think the status quo of the faith is fine, when i read about thousands of innocent people being killed on orders from the church, that leads me to think something is not right. so where did it all go wrong?

I know you never said that . I was giving you ammo to attack the falsehoods

 

[jaybird]

I once sat down and started to read the gospel of Thomas. I didn't make it through the first chapter before I realized that it was pure garbage. Definitely not inspired by God. Shalom.

it has James as leader of the church and that went against roman politics so it had to go. history as well as the bible agree with Thomas that James was the leader after Jesus.

 

[amigo de christo]

i never said anything about churches needing to be perfect. my point is we should question all things and always try to be better. IMO there are to many that think the status quo of the faith is fine, when i read about thousands of innocent people being killed on orders from the church, that leads me to think something is not right. so where did it all go wrong?

But let me put your mind at ease . In time , and short time , when folks find out what i truly am .
I gaurantee on this site and in the world and in churches , they would bow before you calling you saint , long before they even blinked at me .
YOU all truly have no idea what i am . BIBLE ONLY < JESUS ONLY . AND I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL , LONG before i change
no matter if the entire world , all churches and all men turned on me . MY HOPE IS JESUS . THE TRUE JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

it has James as leader of the church and that went against roman politics so it had to go. history as well as the bible agree with Thomas that James was the leader after Jesus.

read this and weep , cry and then repent . THE GO SPELL of thomas came from the depths of HELL . PEROID .
OPEN BIBLES .

 

[jaybird]

I know you never said that . I was giving you ammo to attack the falsehoods

i get what your saying brother, just wanted to be sure you understood my point.

 

[jaybird]

read this and weep , cry and then repent . THE GO SPELL of thomas came from the depths of HELL . PEROID .
OPEN BIBLES .

i dont know what that means?

 

[amigo de christo]

i dont know what that means?

It means the gosple of thomas , IS NO GOSPLE , IT was birthed from darkness .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I didn't say that the populace at large either owned or read the Scriptures, but simply that they were forbidden to do so. Either way, The Catholic church persecuted many unto death who possessed a vernacular edition of the Bible.
Man BOL, you have the rationale of a conspiracy theorist, you are extremely indoctrinated. Why are you so faithful towards such an institution as the Roman Catholic Church, ...or any Church?

And this is more of your revisionist nonsense.

As I educated you before - "possessing" a vernacular translation of the Bible wasn't the issue.
It was their perverted and heretical translations. the ONLY ones who "possessed" vernacular translations prior to the 15th century were the men responsible for these perverted and heretical translations.

Do your HOMEWORK, dude . . .

Like I said, the majority of my convictions are probably protestant, but I have absolutely no regard or esteem for any protestant theologian or entity, outside of a few interesting tenets that they may have brought to light, subjectively speaking. Again, I am not convinced of the salvation of any of these men of influence - it's simply between me and God, I have no faith in Spurgeon, Whitfield, Luther, Arminius, Calvin....

This is nonsense.

If you believe in the man-made inventions of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, if you adhere to a 66 Book Canon of Scripture - you are a descendant of your Protestant Fathers like Luther, Zwingili, Melanchton, Calvin, et al.

These things didn't just "pop" into your head. They were declared 500 years ago by these men.

 

[jaybird]

It means the gosple of thomas , IS NO GOSPLE , IT was birthed from darkness .

why is it from darkness? if the Alexandrian Christians had burned people alive, went on crusades, tortured people, and all the rest, ya know, like the roman Christians, would you consider it then?

 

[amigo de christo]

Talk about ever learning yet never able to come to the truth . IF you all read what i just read , mark my words that one may be world wise
but they aint bible wise . Now i aint talking about jay bird . ITs what i just read . FOLKS back to bibles . back to bibles and fast .
JESUS IS the BREAD OF LIFE . Mayhaps one will learn that fast and not the wisdom of men .

 

[amigo de christo]

why is it from darkness? if the Alexandrian Christians had burned people alive, went on crusades, tortured people, and all the rest, ya know, like the roman Christians, would you consider it then?

OF course it has truths . It simply lacks one thing . THE TRUTH .
MY dear friend , even the worst pope in modern time can speak truths , YET IS HE TRULY OF THE TRUTH .
EVEN satan said , what GOD WOULD LATER SAY , but does that mean HE IS OF THE TRUTH .
YE shall be as gods knowing good and evil . YET EVEN GOD says THEY have become as gods , knowing good and evil .
DO YOU really think that a lie cometh without having some truths cloaked in it . ONLY THE TRUTH has not lies .
THE THOMAS OF GOSPLE was BORN OF SATAN . BIRTHED from the bowles of darkness .

 

[amigo de christo]

Even communism has truths . BUT NOT THE TRUTH .
THAT IS HOW FOLKS get decieved .
Even buddism has truths . YET IS NOT OF THE TRUTH .
EVEN mormonsim has truths , YET IS NOT OF THE TRUTH
EVEN popey can speak truths , YET IS NOT of the TRUTH .
Is it sinking in yet . WHEN JESUS , YESHUA , KING OF KINGS , said that MY LAMBS hear MY VOICE
and any voice of any stranger they do flee . HOW TRUE THAT IS . IF ITS NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH . I Dont want a thing to do with it .