The Trinity definition

[ChristisGod]

Thank you. That’s my understanding of what the doctrine teaches, too. I’ve come across many trinitarians who’ve told me that it isn’t true. Have you? If you have, what do you attribute it to?

that is because they have not studied the topic

 

[Mattathias]

that is because they have not studied the topic

While I wouldn’t disagree with that, I think the trinitarian clergy bears responsibility for failing to preach it from the pulpit and seeing to it that it is taught in Sunday School.

 

[ChristisGod]

While I wouldn’t disagree with that, I think the trinitarian clergy bears responsibility for failing to preach it from the pulpit and seeing to it that it is taught in Sunday School.

You are 100% correct that the church lacks in depth teaching on the nature of God and the Person of Christ, His 2 natures.

I've taught my children and they can defend their beliefs on the Trinity and the Deity of Christ. They are now 35,33,28 and 22. My 2 daughters( 35 & 28) are in the ministry along with their husbands. They were homeschooled through 8th grade. My oldest daughter has her Masters of Divinity from a major university. She always ran her papers by me before she turned them in to proof read them and ask what I thought about them.

 

[MattMooradian]

Only one belief is necessary for salvation: The Son of God, Jesus, died for our sins and rose from the dead so we, too, may have eternal life. All other beliefs are debatable.

 

[justbyfaith]

Only one belief is necessary for salvation: The Son of God, Jesus, died for our sins and rose from the dead so we, too, may have eternal life. All other beliefs are debatable.

Of course, if you have the wrong Jesus (see 2 Corintihans 11:3-4), it may be that faith in him will not save you.

I wouldn't take any chances...I would get my understanding of Jesus from the Bible and make sure that I understand who the Jesus of the Bible really is.

 

[DNB]

That Jesus, though God Himself, came and lived entirely as a man - no cheating - and in so doing completely fulfilled God's requirement of a completely righteous life. That He knew Who He is, that He was more than a man, that He was God Almighty, YHWH, He never faltered for a moment knowing that His Father would give Him whatever He asked for, never faltered knowing the Spirit would empower Him is all good works according to the Father's will.

You need to read the above, over and over, and then tell me honestly whether or not you have a clue of what you are talking about, or anything other trinitarian that professes this insane nonsense?
marks, I can't even reply to such an inane and utterly ridiculous exposition. Please, read it again, and tell me that it made any sense whatsoever?
He knew that he was God, but came to fulfill God's Word, not as God. Well, what exactly were the options of success, to such an absolutely superfluous act of obedience? Is this a farce, was there any chance of him failing, if not, why go through the motions?

I just cannot mitigate on anyone's behalf that regards God's justice and Atonement ,in such a meaningless and implausible manner. I ask, who came up with this dynamic, who, within the Godhead, idea was it to redeem man with such a logistic as God mediating between God and man? Denying Himself, in order to please Himself?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You need to read the above, over and over, and then tell me honestly whether or not you have a clue of what you are talking about, or anything other trinitarian that professes this insane nonsense?
marks, I can't even reply to such an inane and utterly ridiculous exposition. Please, read it again, and tell me that it made any sense whatsoever?
He knew that he was God, but came to fulfill God's Word, not as God. Well, what exactly were the options of success, to such an absolutely superfluous act of obedience? Is this a farce, was there any chance of him failing, if not, why go through the motions?

Man, you trinitarians should all be locked up for your utterly disparaging view of God and His justice!

Speaking as a non-trinitarian: let's still show respect to others.

 

[DNB]

That is not a very Christ-like attitude to have toward sincere seekers after the truth. Your words are divisive, and unjustified ("locked up"). That sounds evil. You express scorn at the trinitarians. Jesus warned us about anger and how we should manage anger. Are you truly a follower of Jesus?

Matt, you should appreciate as to what and where I was directing my contempt - those denigrating God's honour.
I explained where my indignation lay, at such an absurd concept of the Atonement. Do you find glory in what was said about the Son's relationship to the Father, and how being God, he denied that intrinsic fact in order to please God? Am I the only one who sees the insanity, or takes offense to this?

 

[DNB]

Speaking as a non-trinitarian: let's still show respect to others.

How, when they show so much contempt for God - unwittingly, or not.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

How, when they show so much contempt for God - unwittingly, or not.

God asks us to love our fellow man, that includes those that disagree with us, or even despitefully use us.

 

[DNB]

God asks us to love our fellow man, that includes those that disagree with us, or even despitefully use us.

Ok, you're right, I changed it slightly.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hi @DNB,

You have made the statement that you think that every effort to explain the Trinity ends up being gibberish; and yet you have refused to read my explanation of the Trinity in my thread on the subject.

It is only 6 posts; I think you should take the time to read it.

True Trinity.

 

[DNB]

all heresies and cults start with a warped view, or rejection of the doctrine of the Trinity; the true nature of God. No one can judge a person's heart, but as far as doctrine goes, stepping outside the boundaries of the foundational doctrine of the Trinity distorts the divinity / nature of Christ and the heresy snowballs from there.

My, what a noble sentiment - now let's see you explain it without sounding like warped cult member.

 

[DNB]

The utter redundancy of having three all-powerful persons in the Godhead, when only one is required to create the universe, answer all prayers of all mankind, involve Himself in all manner of intervention, providence and maintenance of the universe, and all its inhabitants.

If God does not exist in three persons, how do you explain that in the beginning God said "Let US make mankind in OUR image..." (Genesis 1:26)?

You go first - which of the three, did what?

 

[ChristisGod]

Matt, you should appreciate as to what and where I was directing my contempt - those denigrating God's honour.
I explained where my indignation lay, at such an absurd concept of the Atonement. Do you find glory in what was said about the Son's relationship to the Father, and how being God, he denied that intrinsic fact in order to please God? Am I the only one who sees the insanity, or takes offense to this?

How am I dishonoring God ?

Those who glorify the Son bring Glory to the Father. The only way to the Father is through the Son. One cannot know the Father apart from the Son. He who has seen the Son has seen the Father. The Son is the EXACT representation of the Father. All the Fulness of Deity(the godhead) dwells in Him. He is both Lord and God. He is the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Almighty. He is the True God and Eternal Life, All things were made by Him and without Him nothing was made that was made. He is before all things and in Him all things exist. He laid the very foundation of the world. Everything I just stated is in the bible.

He sure adds up to be God just like He claimed and the Apostles declared about Him.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

You need to read the above, over and over, and then tell me honestly whether or not you have a clue of what you are talking about, or anything other trinitarian that professes this insane nonsense?
marks, I can't even reply to such an inane and utterly ridiculous exposition. Please, read it again, and tell me that it made any sense whatsoever?
He knew that he was God, but came to fulfill God's Word, not as God. Well, what exactly were the options of success, to such an absolutely superfluous act of obedience? Is this a farce, was there any chance of him failing, if not, why go through the motions?

I just cannot mitigate on anyone's behalf that regards God's justice and Atonement ,in such a meaningless and implausible manner. I ask, who came up with this dynamic, who, within the Godhead, idea was it to redeem man with such a logistic as God mediating between God and man? Denying Himself, in order to please Himself?

Actually you have replied with your derision.

I'm surprised that you can't at least understand my point of view even if you don't agree with it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Do you find glory in what was said about the Son's relationship to the Father, and how being God, he denied that intrinsic fact in order to please God?

Um . . . Jesus didn't deny being God . . . I'm not sure where you are getting this from.

Much love!

 

[DNB]

How am I dishonoring God ?

Those who glorify the Son bring Glory to the Father. The only way to the Father is through the Son. One cannot know the Father apart from the Son. He who has seen the Son has seen the Father. The Son is the EXACT representation of the Father. All the Fulness of Deity(the godhead) dwells in Him. He is both Lord and God. He is the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Almighty. He is the True God and Eternal Life, All things were made by Him and without Him nothing was made that was made. He is before all things and in Him all things exist. He laid the very foundation of the world. Everything I just stated is in the bible.

He sure adds up to be God just like He claimed and the Apostles declared about Him.

hope this helps !!!

It is the implications of your conclusion, that dishonours God. I have explained this too many times, especially on this thread. How is it possible after all this time and effort, that you do not know where my contentions lie?

 

[ChristisGod]

It is the implications of your conclusion, that dishonours God. I have explained this too many times, especially on this thread. How is it possible after all this time and effort, that you do not know where my contentions lie?

No conclusions to make since everything I just said comes directly from the bible concerning Christ who is God and called God numerous times in the scripture.

Your argument is with Gods word, not me. I'm just quoting Gods word.

hope this helps !!!

 

[DNB]

Actually you have replied with your derision.

I'm surprised that you can't at least understand my point of view even if you don't agree with it.

Much love!

Sorry for the derision but, no one can understand your point of view, even yourself. I explained why. It makes no sense that Jesus was God, but tried not to be, in order to obey and love God, so that God will not exact His wrath upon mankind.
Please, please, please marks, tell me that you can appreciate why such an exegesis is not to be taken seriously?