Dancing With Jesus

[brionne]

Guess again, the scripture I quoted is Acts 19:2-6.
We obviously disagree on the abilities of HolySpirit. Be blessed Pegg.

Ah you got me there then didnt you lol. I sadly havent committed the entire bible to memory

But still, I dont think you realise that this scripture in no way supports your argument that we do not need knowledge of the scriptures to recieve holy spirit. In fact it shows the very opposite.

I say that because these diciples were diciples of john the baptist, not of Jesus. The diciples of Jesus began to recieve the holy spirit from the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. when the 120 disciples were gathered in an upper room. Acts 2:1-4. Pentecost was the 'day of harvest' and it occured 50 days AFTER the passover celebration ended on Nisan 16. It was a festival of presenting the first ripe fruits of the harvest to God.

Those diciples of Christ signified in a spiritual sense, the first ripe fruits to God.

So why did they recieve of the holy spirit but not the diciples of John the baptist? Was it perhaps because the diciples of John did not have knowledge of Jesus? I think so.

 

[jiggyfly]

Ah you got me there then didnt you lol. I sadly havent committed the entire bible to memory

But still, I dont think you realise that this scripture in no way supports your argument that we do not need knowledge of the scriptures to recieve holy spirit. In fact it shows the very opposite.

I say that because these diciples were diciples of john the baptist, not of Jesus. The diciples of Jesus began to recieve the holy spirit from the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. when the 120 disciples were gathered in an upper room. Acts 2:1-4. Pentecost was the 'day of harvest' and it occured 50 days AFTER the passover celebration ended on Nisan 16. It was a festival of presenting the first ripe fruits of the harvest to God.

Those diciples of Christ signified in a spiritual sense, the first ripe fruits to God.

So why did they recieve of the holy spirit but not the diciples of John the baptist? Was it perhaps because the diciples of John did not have knowledge of Jesus? I think so.

Well we can speculate all day or we can form an idea based on the actual account rendered by this scripture. But I'm not interested in either. I am not looking to build a case or a doctrine. I mentioned this scripture because it signifies something here. These men had a spiritual experience without learning about it before hand.
Paul knew the scriptures and lived in a fashion by which he said no one could find any fault in him but then he met Christ and what knowledge he had of Christ was false. Yet Christ showed up and introduced Himself to Paul. Reread the story and clearly one can see that knowledge followed his spiritual experience and not the other way around. It seems ludicrous to me to say that knowledge is a requisite rather than a result when it come to an encounter with HolySpirit. As the old cliche goes sounds like you "got the cart before the horse"

 

[mjrhealth]

Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

And one may read ACTS chap 10 about cornelius, a roman centurion, who had a vision, yet would never of had the Torah being that he must of being a roman, yet He received the Holy Sprit

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Take note they where baptised after they received the Holy Ghost not before, see how we belive the lies we are told, yet when someone speaks the truth and it is not by the spirit it is hard for others to understand.. And this came from a friend of mine who for the first time had the most wonderful time with the LOrd.

In His LOve

 

[brionne]

Well we can speculate all day or we can form an idea based on the actual account rendered by this scripture. But I'm not interested in either. I am not looking to build a case or a doctrine. I mentioned this scripture because it signifies something here. These men had a spiritual experience without learning about it before hand.

We dont need to speculate on anything. You only need to read the scriptures and you'll get the full picturre. Those diciples were baptised under Johns baptism. John was a preacher who called people to repent "for the kingdom of God was near" Matthew 3:1-2. Many people openly confessed their sins and believed in his words because they recognized him as the one spoken of thru the prophet Isaiah Matthew 3:3

So those who were baptized by John, did so with a knowledge of what he was preaching. Even the priests asked him if he was a prophet....so he was obviously very convincing to many people.

Paul knew the scriptures and lived in a fashion by which he said no one could find any fault in him but then he met Christ and what knowledge he had of Christ was false. Yet Christ showed up and introduced Himself to Paul. Reread the story and clearly one can see that knowledge followed his spiritual experience and not the other way around. It seems ludicrous to me to say that knowledge is a requisite rather than a result when it come to an encounter with HolySpirit. As the old cliche goes sounds like you "got the cart before the horse"

Jesus does not appear to people today in order to convince them the way he did with Paul. Pauls case was an exception. Jesus chose Paul for a very specific task and he knew Pauls motives were pure which is why he chose to show himself to Paul.

Now Paul may have had knowledge of Judaism, but he had no real knowledge of jesus until he was taught by Ananais. And he didnt receive the holy spirit until AFTER he had recieved such knowledge.

Acts 22:12-13, 14-16 Paul gives us the account of his time with ananais
“Now An‧a‧ni′as, a certain man reverent according to the Law, well reported on by all the Jews dwelling there, 13 came to me and, standing by me, he said to me, ‘Saul, brother, have your sight again!’ And I looked up at him that very hour. 14 He said, ‘The God of our forefathers has chosen you to come to know his will and to see the righteous One and to hear the voice of his mouth, 15 because you are to be a witness for him to all men of things you have seen and heard. 16 And now why are you delaying? Rise, get baptized and wash your sins away by your calling upon his name."

Paul spent several days in Damascus with Ananais where he learnt about Jesus Acts 9:19

So Paul recieved accurate knowledge and AFTERWARD was able to go to Jerusalem empowered by spirit to preach the message of Jesus Acts 9:20

 

[brionne]

Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Again, as i keep pointing out to Jiggfly, this was only AFTER they had recieved knowledge of Christ. They were johns diciples, not Jesus. They didnt know jesus and didnt know anything about Jesus....they lacked accurate knowledge and this is why they had no idea of what the holy spirit was.

After they knew, they got baptized in Jesus name and recieved the holy spirit.

And one may read ACTS chap 10 about cornelius, a roman centurion, who had a vision, yet would never of had the Torah being that he must of being a roman, yet He received the Holy Sprit

Again, he didnt recieve holy spirit until after he had recieved the teaching from Peter.
In Acts 10:33 we read Cornelius own words "i sent for you that we may HEAR the word of God"
After Peter taught Cornelius and his family, they recieved holy spirit.

Again its another example of ones who were taught first, then recieved holy spirit.

Take note they where baptised after they received the Holy Ghost not before, see how we belive the lies we are told, yet when someone speaks the truth and it is not by the spirit it is hard for others to understand.. And this came from a friend of mine who for the first time had the most wonderful time with the LOrd.

In His LOve

you need to keep the scriptures in order...you've jumped to Acts 10:45 before quoting the earlier events of Peter teaching them the word of Christ...after which they recieved holy spirit....not before.

Knowledge first, then holy spirit.

 

[mjrhealth]

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Pegg, would you be the one too tell God that HE cannot save someone because they never read a bible or went to church, is it that you think that God is like man that we created Him and not Him us, for that is how we treat God, like He somehow must confrom to our Image and not us Him, then we say we Love God yet we never even begin to walk in the Spirirt with Christ becuse it is outside the bounds of our knowledge and seems like foolishness. Again walking with Christ is an experince not a library lesson, as long as you keep putting steps like , 10 steps to seeing God, you will never see Him, and there are plenty of books written just lie that,. yet there is only one, open your eyes and look, call His name and listen, He is with you just waiting, wheter you believe it or not. I once went to a friends house, and had a chat with His wife before He came home, and she asked me about Jesus because she Had heard me tell of Him before, and during the conversation she said, how It was diferrent, how everything I told Her was an experience, how when I spoke she could hear the excitement in my voice, yet i barely mentioned the bible, and she said of her husband who is a JW how he just talks about the bible but their is nothing in what He says, then she mentioned how everything I had told her, she had heard from another christian, but she was afraid, for satan had come against her and she didnt like it.

You can learn the bible till you know it like the back of your hand, you can quote scripture till your blue in the face, and no one will want to know, for all you are doing is reading them a book and not living the life in the spirit.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

When you have something to show them they will listen, as to wheter they will belive or not That is between them and Jesus, I cannot build the lords church that is His Job, i am sure thats what He meant in the dream i had today.

The bible has only being around a few hundred years, who would you believe God or the bible.

1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:, His opinon not Gods, if he declared it to be his opinion how could you say it is Gods word.

Oh how we limit God then wonder why He dosnt do anything in our lives.

In His Love

 

[jiggyfly]

Jesus does not appear to people today in order to convince them the way he did with Paul. Pauls case was an exception. Jesus chose Paul for a very specific task and he knew Pauls motives were pure which is why he chose to show himself to Paul.

Got any scripture to support your theory that Paul was the exception?

 

[brionne]

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Im sorry to say, but John the baptist did have the scirptures....He was able to quote from the Hebrew scriptures and even knew to apply the prophecy of Isaiah to himself. Isaiah 40:3-5
Back then then the word of God was the Hebrew scriptures.

Pegg, would you be the one too tell God that HE cannot save someone because they never read a bible or went to church, is it that you think that God is like man that we created Him and not Him us, for that is how we treat God, like He somehow must confrom to our Image and not us Him, then we say we Love God yet we never even begin to walk in the Spirirt with Christ becuse it is outside the bounds of our knowledge and seems like foolishness. Again walking with Christ is an experince not a library lesson, as long as you keep putting steps like , 10 steps to seeing God, you will never see Him, and there are plenty of books written just lie that,. yet there is only one, open your eyes and look, call His name and listen, He is with you just waiting, wheter you believe it or not. I once went to a friends house, and had a chat with His wife before He came home, and she asked me about Jesus because she Had heard me tell of Him before, and during the conversation she said, how It was diferrent, how everything I told Her was an experience, how when I spoke she could hear the excitement in my voice, yet i barely mentioned the bible, and she said of her husband who is a JW how he just talks about the bible but their is nothing in what He says, then she mentioned how everything I had told her, she had heard from another christian, but she was afraid, for satan had come against her and she didnt like it.

Im happy for you that you have expriences, but my faith is not based on what i can see but what i know. I hope that one day I will see a miracle or a vision of christ, but until that happens I am more then satisfied in knowing God thru knowledge and prayer and application of his word. I dont need to see him to feel him.

You can learn the bible till you know it like the back of your hand, you can quote scripture till your blue in the face, and no one will want to know, for all you are doing is reading them a book and not living the life in the spirit.

that is exactly what the bible helps us to do....live the life of the spirit, by teaching us who Jesus was and how he lived. Its there for us to know him. Without it we would know very little of the things he did and the way he showed love.

When you have something to show them they will listen, as to wheter they will belive or not That is between them and Jesus, I cannot build the lords church that is His Job, i am sure thats what He meant in the dream i had today.

The apostles and early diciples were given 'gifts' of visions and dreams, but they told us that these gifts would only be temporary....they were not going to continue. 1Corinthians 13:8 Paul tells us plainly that the gifts they had back then would come to an end and 'love' would become the means by which to identify true christians.

So im not interested in having gifts, im interested in experiencing God the way he wants us to experience him now. Paul had to councel the corinthian christians about their facination of gifts because they viewed these things as something special. But what did he say to them?

1Corinthians 12:1-11 Now concerning the spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want YOU to be ignorant. ...
4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but there is the same spirit; ...
8 For example, to one there is given through the spirit speech of wisdom, to another speech of knowledge according to the same spirit, 9 to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healings by that one spirit, 10 to yet another operations of powerful works, to another prophesying, to another discernment of inspired utterances, to another different tongues, and to another interpretation of tongues. 11 But all these operations the one and the same spirit performs, making a distribution to each one respectively just as it wills"


Then Paul shows that gifts were not the most important things for christians in 1Corinthians 12:27-31

27 Now YOU are Christ’s body, and members individually. 28 And God has set the respective ones in the congregation, FIRST, apostles; SECOND, prophets; THIRD, teachers; THEN powerful works; THEN gifts of healings; helpful services, abilities to direct, different tongues. 29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform powerful works, do they? 30 Not all have gifts of healings, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they? Not all are translators, are they? 31 But keep zealously seeking the greater gifts. And yet I show YOU a surpassing way."

notice that gifts came AFTER teachers...hence, those who could teach were more important then those who had gifts. And the
'surpassing way' that Paul then goes onto talk about is Love. In 1Corinthians 13:8 he plainly says that all the gifts will be done away with and only 'love' would remain.

so you see, this is why gifts dont impress me....and i certainly dont look for them in order to convince me of Gods love. My husband (a non believer) askes me why there are no miracles today and I tell him that we dont need them to come to know God. They were used back then to convince people but today we have the bible. Unfortunately he's been told that the bible is not enough evidence of God, he needs to see something in order to believe which is sad.

Like the Apostle Thomas, there are those who need to see something in order to believe. But what did Jesus say about doubters? John 20:29 Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.”

 

[fivesense]

Knowledge (of the word of God) is power against the enemy, Satan the devil.

Quote:" How qould it be, if your partner was a famous person and a book was written about them, and so everday you read it, while your partner waits in bed for you to go and love them. How long do you think that relationship will last."

"Partner" is a politically correct term when used this way. Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer the terms, "my husband" or "my wife".

This is the second time a sister has set me up. Now I'm thinking about His wilderness excursion and temptation, and what did He do to fight back against the Adversary in the most spiritually significant crisis next to Genesis 1:1? He quoted scripture. The most spiritual person whoever lived on earth relied upon His knowledge of the Holy Writings to perform His Father's will and please Him, and undo the works of the Slanderer.
fivesense

 

[truthquest]

This is the second time a sister has set me up. Now I'm thinking about His wilderness excursion and temptation, and what did He do to fight back against the Adversary in the most spiritually significant crisis next to Genesis 1:1? He quoted scripture. The most spiritual person whoever lived on earth relied upon His knowledge of the Holy Writings to perform His Father's will and please Him, and undo the works of the Slanderer.
fivesense

Yes fivesense, this is so true. And in order to quote scripture, I believe we really need to read and study the word of God daily. It is called the sword of the spirit and for very good reason.
Therefore, it's not about boasting how much knowledge one might have, it's about being prepared to give an answer for the hope we have and being ready to defend especially in spiritual warfare. So knowledge of the word of God is important.

 

[fivesense]

Im sorry to say, but John the baptist did have the scirptures....He was able to quote from the Hebrew scriptures and even knew to apply the prophecy of Isaiah to himself. Isaiah 40:3-5
Back then then the word of God was the Hebrew scriptures.
that is exactly what the bible helps us to do....live the life of the spirit, by teaching us who Jesus was and how he lived. Its there for us to know him. Without it we would know very little of the things he did and the way he showed love.

The apostles and early diciples were given 'gifts' of visions and dreams, but they told us that these gifts would only be temporary....they were not going to continue. 1Corinthians 13:8 Paul tells us plainly that the gifts they had back then would come to an end and 'love' would become the means by which to identify true christians.

So im not interested in having gifts, im interested in experiencing God the way he wants us to experience him now. Paul had to councel the corinthian
so you see, this is why gifts dont impress me....and i certainly dont look for them in order to convince me of Gods love. My husband (a non believer) askes me why there are no miracles today and I tell him that we dont need them to come to know God. They were used back then to convince people but today we have the bible. Unfortunately he's been told that the bible is not enough evidence of God, he needs to see something in order to believe which is sad.

Like the Apostle Thomas, there are those who need to see something in order to believe. But what did Jesus say about doubters? John 20:29 Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.”

Ro 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Ro 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

Ro 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Ro 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].

The entire scope of Paul's commission was spiritual. The blessings, the Body, the sonship, all were graciously bestowed upon us, without any works of righteousness, and all find their fulfillment in the celestial realm where He resides. The masses of Christendom, especially the evangelicals, seek to obtain that fleshly promise of God to Israel to be overcomers upon the earth, and filch the signs and wonders as if they belonged to the Body which has its home in the heavens. It is so saddening. The call and the justification of being not guilty is not enough, so they steep themselves in grandiose theologies of a mongrel mix of Jewish entitlements and the totally new humanity of which the Christ was resurrected for. Should they ever receive the grace of the knowledge and wisdom of God, of how inferior is the born-again experience compared to being a new creation in Christ, then the truth of the Word revealed may become more significant to them than it is now.

fivesense

 

[mjrhealth]

The bible is not the sword of the spirirt in fact it makes no claim to be the word of God, more lies taught by men to keep christians in bondage, in fact God is spirirt as is His word, as is Jesus and His word and He speaks of the things His father desires as does the Holy Spirit who is spirirt, and we are supposed to worship Him in spirirt and in truth, but ye are yet carnal, How are you ever going to understand the things of God, spiritual things if you keep locking Him up inside a book and trying to figure Him out with your carnal mind. You say you have it all, but like the pharrisees who had the scriptures, who knew all the prophecies, yet when Christ came they did not recognize Him, and would not go to Him, now you have the bible, it too tells you the prophecies , it too tells you of Jesus, and in it He calls all men to Himself, He stands knocking at their doors yet they wont let Him in to share His life with them. And so we have a head filled with knowledege about Jesus, our opinions and other mens opinions, yet never going to the true word, Jesus to receive the truth from Him, and so denying the power of God.

In His LOve

 

[jiggyfly]

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Here are some questions that seem to have gotten covered up with other posts.
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Jesus does not appear to people today in order to convince them the way he did with Paul. Pauls case was an exception. Jesus chose Paul for a very specific task and he knew Pauls motives were pure which is why he chose to show himself to Paul. [/quote]

Got any scripture to support your theory that Paul was the exception?

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[color="#5D5D5D"][font="tahoma][size="2"] fivesense, on 16 June 2010 - 12:22 PM, said:

As to wisdom and knowledge, and the Source of that for us, without the Scriptures to define the parameters of the will of God, i.e, to become All in all, it would become a smorgasboard of unlimited spiritual venues. The Holy Writ has put forth those things which are of value to God, and He has made plain the way to life for the age to come. To approach this way according to knowledge outside the Scriptures' confirming power and witness is to invite deception and error. What can be known of God by human reasoning is confined and limited to what has been spoken and recorded there. As to the never ending desire of the flesh and mind for more of a good thing, it must be gotten lawfully and in an orderly manner, with the aid of Holy Spirit. Once again, all these things must lend themselve to the goal, transformation into the image of the Son that the Father may become All in all.



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OK can you give me some scripture concerning God's Love? What is the breadth? What is the length? What is the depth? What is the height?

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Concerning Acts 19, and Paul's activities, it will be noted that these were Jewish believers (disciples) not Gentiles. None but the Jew was baptized with John's baptism at this time, the Jews from Jerusalem not willing to go the the nations with the evangel, but only to their own race,

Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled
as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. Ac 11:19

The record is true, and the fact that the Jewish believers did not preach to the Gentiles, other than Cornelius and the Ethiopian eunich, is established and evidenced by Holy Spirit and is irrefutable. Those who would wish to extend their activities to the whole world are wishful in their thinking and expand the Word of God at their own whim.

The point I was making with this scripture is that they had not even heard of HolySpirit, so Pegg's statement that "knowledge leads us to HolySpirit" is not conducive with the scriptures. They had no knowledge of HolySpirit yet they were baptized in HolySpirit, prophesied and spoke in other tongues

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The gifts of the Spirit, meant to herald the approaching Kingdom of God and the presence of the King on earth, are Jewish and functional. With Israe'ls refusal to administer the evangel, the gifts are in abeyance til His advent once again for the saints and judgment of the nations. This passage, Acts 19:6, is in fulfillment of Joel 2:27, and the promise of God to Israel. Peter declares its fulfillment in Acts 2:16. Had all Israel repented the last portion of the terrors described by Peter would not have been forestalled, and the secret of the Body would never have been revealed or needed.

So do you believe that the believers at Corinth were all Jewish? Didn't the promise include all flesh and not just Jewish flesh? What do you make of those who were of other nationalities but converted to Judaism, do they receive the spiritual gifts? Do you have any scripture that speaks of this abeyance directly? [/size][/font]

 

[fivesense]

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Here are some questions that seem to have gotten covered up with other posts.
Got any scripture to support your theory that Paul was the exception?

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[color="#5d5d5d"][font="tahoma][size="2"]OK can you give me some scripture concerning God's Love? What is the breadth? What is the length? What is the depth? What is the height?

The point I was making with this scripture is that they had not even heard of HolySpirit, so Pegg's statement that "knowledge leads us to HolySpirit" is not conducive with the scriptures. They had no knowledge of HolySpirit yet they were baptized in HolySpirit, prophesied and spoke in other tongues


So do you believe that the believers at Corinth were all Jewish? Didn't the promise include all flesh and not just Jewish flesh? What do you make of those who were of other nationalities but converted to Judaism, do they receive the spiritual gifts? Do you have any scripture that speaks of this abeyance directly? [/size][/font]

I'll start a different topic if'n ya'd like, jiggyfly. Otherwise, let's keep dancing.
fivesense

 

[brionne]

The bible is not the sword of the spirirt in fact it makes no claim to be the word of God,

Ephesians 6:17
Revelation 1:2 Revelation 1:10-11
2 Peter 1:20, 21
2 Tim. 3:16, 17


The bible is fully capable of answering all questions and responding to all claims for it is the word of God....its the method he chose in communicating with us and we do well to respect it for what it is.

 

[truthquest]

Do you really know God, I have a friend who came to Christ without a bible, She was taught by Him face to face, 6 years to learn the 1st paragraph in genesus, and you think you know it all, then She asked if she copuld go to church, and HE said yes, fot there you will find like minded people, well that proved to be the beggining of the wrecking of her faith, for she went believeing they would love Jesus like she did, and she was proven wrong, for she found they acted like they did love Jesus, but they dont know Him, then came the bible, and well like me it made it even harder to follow Jesus, for He says one thing and the bible often contardicts who He really is, For once after reading the bible, and He appeared to her and so she started to put a hankerchief on her head for she had read that a women must be covered, and He said, what are you doing and she said, the bible tells me i must be covered, and His response," did I tell you to cover yourself, and she said no,. So you see, you know lots about mens opinions of God by reading the bible, but you will never come to know His heart and mind or His nature by reading it, for it is full of mens opinions, just like all these chrstian forums, and you wonder why there is so much division, oh how satan laughs at us, for it is so simple but we make it so complicated, my flesh realy greievs me for it hinders me so much in my walk.

You say we must wall in faith, well do it then, take a step in faith, go to Jesus and ask Him, " Is this how it really is" and believe that He will answer you. It can do nothing but bring you into the truth, if that is what you really want.

In His LOve

How does the bible contradict who Jesus really is? Maybe we think it contradicts because we don't have the correct understanding.
Or maybe it is a translation with errors.

He appeared to her...Are you really saying that Jesus actually appeared to your friend?

 

[jiggyfly]

Ephesians 6:17
Revelation 1:2 Revelation 1:10-11
2 Peter 1:20, 21
2 Tim. 3:16, 17


The bible is fully capable of answering all questions and responding to all claims for it is the word of God....its the method he chose in communicating with us and we do well to respect it for what it is.

So then answer my questions with scripture. What is the breadth, length, depth and height of God's love?

 

[mjrhealth]

method he chose in communicating with us and we do well to respect it for what it is.

No its the method we choose to allow Him to try communicate with us, For Jesus said

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Or

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

And yes, Jesus did appear to my firend, She has even being in the Lap of God, and I know of many others who have had visons and dreams, but that takes trusting God , not a book, being spiritual not carnal( worldly ), why do you think it is so hard to let the bible go, its besuase the lie has being ingrained so long in your mind that it has caused it to become truth but still a lie. the bible is solid, you can pick it up, touch it flip the pages and see it with your eyes, But God He is spiritual, He speaks spirirt to spirit,, Jesus is always with you, even so he Holy Spirirt, you cnat see them with your eyes or hear them with your ears, otr touch them with you flesh, but your spirit knows they are there, but our flesh and spirirt are at odds with one another and its the flesh that usually wins.

In His LOve

 

[truthquest]

"And yes, Jesus did appear to my firend,.."

Matt. 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. [sup]24[/sup] For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [sup]25[/sup] See, I have told you ahead of time. [sup]26[/sup] "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the wilderness,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.

 

[brionne]

So then answer my questions with scripture. What is the breadth, length, depth and height of God's love?

1 John 4:9,10 Romans 5:8

Jesus sacrifice shows us the extent of Gods love....there is nothing he wouldnt give, not even his only begotten son, in order to prove his love for us.

God has shown us exactly how difficult such a thing was by asking Abraham to sacrifice his only begotten son. And when Abraham showed his willingness God said to him "Now i KNOW that you love me because you have not held back your only son whom you so love"