Another question for mormons.

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Grailhunter

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Well, shouldn't that raise a red flag as a warning sign??
lol You have to be careful with perspectives. The Jews looked at the Hebrew Bible the same way...anything added was considered false. So they considered the New Testament as invalid, the same way fundamentalists looks at writings outside the Bible as false.
 

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It doesn't "help".

I have said that healing is provided for in the atonement; but that this does not preclude that such healing cannot be brought about with the use of medicine.

You appear to be so intent on attacking me that you have forgotten my testimony.

Gal 4:28, Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29, But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Healings are Miracles, not medicine.

Find one Miracle in the bible from Jesus and the Apostles by medicine.

Now be on your way believing the lies you have been taught about Isaiah 53:5.

Now all the back peddling begins and there is absolutely no consistency whatsoever in your doctrine and are just making excuses.
 
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Healings are Miracles, not medicine.

Find one Miracle in the bible from Jesus and the Apostles by medicine.

Now be on your way believing the lies you have been taught about Isaiah 53:5.
Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his frequent stomach ailments (a medicinal application of the use of wine).

I most certainly believe that the healing that was brought about through this advice was provided for in the atonement (Isaiah 53:5).

You can think differently if you want; but you have no scriptural support, either, to say that this healing was not provided for in the atonement.

Also, near the end of the book of Revelation it is written that there were leaves of a tree that will be for the healing of the nations...this implies the use of medicine.
 
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@Jane_Doe22. @Grailhunter,

The book of mormon is said to be "another testament of Jesus Christ".

Now, I have not finished reading through the book of mormon so I do not have all of the information in it; but I have this question:

In Hebrews 9 it is written,

Heb 9:16, For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17, For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

My question is, who died to produce this third testament of Jesus Christ and when?

Did Jesus die a second time?

This would appear to me to be an irreconcilable contradiction between the Bible and the book of mormon; for it is written,

Rom 6:9, Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

If Christ died a second time then this scripture has been broken and we cannot trust any of the scriptures that are given to us.

However, Jesus testified that the scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:35)

If He did not die a second time then there cannot be another testament of Jesus Christ, per Hebrews 9:16-17.

Jesus is supposed to have appeared to the Americas after his resurrection. That is the testament of the Book of Mormon. He also appeared to others like the apostles. But Joseph Smith was killed and he was the translator of the Book of Mormon.

I'm currently back and forth between being Catholic and Mormon. I'm currently leaning towards Mormon but with reservations towards Catholic. I had a vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother and filled with Peace and Love that was intense and lasted for hours (Galatians 5:22-23). And LDS proclaims a Heavenly Mother. I've also had other visions and visitations that were from God's spirit and body (from a great distance) and once was told if I wasn't Catholic I was going to the lake of fire. So I kinda go back and forth.
 

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justbyfaith: your mental illness has resulted in you having massive mental breakdown when discussing theology with me. On many different instances. Ones wherein you have trembled & doubted your faith and even openly thought about becoming an atheist. I don't want to have you go through that yet again. Addressing your endless strawman arguements is not worth that for you or me.

Have a nice day and may God continue to bless you this Thanksgiving season.
Did I miss something here, JD? Was JBF's disposition on certain issues advertised somewhere before, that you would just divulge such personal information to everyone, and not keep it to a private message?
Yes, I find him incessant, stubborn, deluded and difficult. But, again, unless I missed something, that was just a very callous and inappropriate remark to make about his alleged 'mental condition', on a public page.
 
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The phrase Old or New Testament does not occur in the Bible...
Most certainly the concept of Old and New Testaments is there:

Heb 9:15, And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Now either you did not know your Bible well enough to make a statement like that or else you were deliberately lying about what is contained in the Bible.

Which one was it?
 
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Did I miss something here, JD? Was JBF's disposition on certain issues advertised somewhere before, that you would just divulge such personal information to everyone, and not keep it to a private message?
Yes, I find him incessant, stubborn, deluded and difficult. But, again, unless I missed something, that was just a very callous and inappropriate remark to make about his alleged 'mental condition', on a public page.
he has made it public himself in several threads just search for mental illness and see for yourself.
 
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Jesus is supposed to have appeared to the Americas after his resurrection. That is the testament of the Book of Mormon. He also appeared to others like the apostles. But Joseph Smith was killed and he was the translator of the Book of Mormon.

I'm currently back and forth between being Catholic and Mormon. I'm currently leaning towards Mormon but with reservations towards Catholic. I had a vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother and filled with Peace and Love that was intense and lasted for hours (Galatians 5:22-23). And LDS proclaims a Heavenly Mother. I've also had other visions and visitations that were from God's spirit and body (from a great distance) and once was told if I wasn't Catholic I was going to the lake of fire. So I kinda go back and forth.
...you need to start questioning the source of your visions.
 
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Jesus is supposed to have appeared to the Americas after his resurrection. That is the testament of the Book of Mormon. He also appeared to others like the apostles. But Joseph Smith was killed and he was the translator of the Book of Mormon.

I'm currently back and forth between being Catholic and Mormon. I'm currently leaning towards Mormon but with reservations towards Catholic. I had a vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother and filled with Peace and Love that was intense and lasted for hours (Galatians 5:22-23). And LDS proclaims a Heavenly Mother. I've also had other visions and visitations that were from God's spirit and body (from a great distance) and once was told if I wasn't Catholic I was going to the lake of fire. So I kinda go back and forth.

Devin, you are on the wrong track. I truly believe evil spirits are feeding you. Don't be fooled by "heavenly mothers" and don't be fooled "that if you are not catholic you will end up in hell".

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Ephesians 6:10-12
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

 
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Jesus is supposed to have appeared to the Americas after his resurrection. That is the testament of the Book of Mormon. He also appeared to others like the apostles. But Joseph Smith was killed and he was the translator of the Book of Mormon.

I'm currently back and forth between being Catholic and Mormon. I'm currently leaning towards Mormon but with reservations towards Catholic. I had a vision of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother and filled with Peace and Love that was intense and lasted for hours (Galatians 5:22-23). And LDS proclaims a Heavenly Mother. I've also had other visions and visitations that were from God's spirit and body (from a great distance) and once was told if I wasn't Catholic I was going to the lake of fire. So I kinda go back and forth.
Well, Devin, I hope you will take into account the evidence that I have presented here for the book of mormon having no possibility of being another "testament" of Jesus Christ. It should be clear to you that this is not the case since Jesus did not die a second time.

Yours in Christ,

@justbyfaith.
 

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he has made it public himself in several threads just search for mental illness and see for yourself.
I see, ok, I'm not surprised that there was a public history about it. For, it seemed a little out-of-character for JD to be so insulting, so I did ask if I had missed something first.
Thanks Christophany.

But, in my personal opinion, what happens in Vegas, should stay in Vegas. Different threads have different contexts, it's not always fair to bring a remark by someone else from a previous thread, into a new one? Not sure if it applies exactly here, but it is a reasonable principle to follow in general.
 
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then don't make your personal affairs public. you have no one to blame but yourself.
 

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...you need to start questioning the source of your visions.
Questioning the Holy Spirit is evil an potentially unforgivable. Galatians 5:22-23 verifies what is from the Holy Spirit.
 

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then don't make your personal affairs public. you have no one to blame but yourself.
But a certain amount of discretion on another's behalf should be honoured by each of us. In order to refute a point, it's not always relevant to bring an expression from what may have been said 3 weeks ago, into a specific context, now.

But, you are right, personal discretion is always the best policy. I even private messaged a couple of posters about this - keep your private lives to yourself. 99% of the time, it's not relevant nor appropriate.
 
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But a certain amount of discretion on another's behalf should be honoured by each of us. In order to refute a point, it's not always relevant to bring an expression from what may have been said 3 weeks ago, into a specific context, now.

But, you are right, personal discretion is always the best policy. I even private messaged a couple of posters about this - keep your private lives to yourself. 99% of the time, it's not relevant nor appropriate.
preaching to the choir
 
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Questioning the Holy Spirit is evil an potentially unforgivable.
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Questioning the Holy Spirit is evil an potentially unforgivable. Galatians 5:22-23 verifies what is from the Holy Spirit.

You arenot receiving messages from the Holy Spirit.
You are receiving messages from evil spirits.

I am out of here, Devin is not reading or responding to people wanting to help.
Can only hope and pray somebody will to talk and pray with him in person.
 
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