Ramblings by lunatics

[JohnDB]

Mad ravings by lunatic conspiracy theorist.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

It's a no brainier that our Medical Staff in this country should be the first ones to get these Vaccines coming out. (Skilled nursing homes)

Reasons are that they need to remain healthy in heavily contaminated work environment. They have now become a point of infection as about half of the medical personel are currently asymptomatic carriers for Covid-19.

But who else?

There are several people groups of essential workers that we need to vaccinate.
Food supply chain.(including retail)
Delivery/logistical people.
Fire/police/prison guards.
Mechanical repair (trucks and cars and airplanes)
Military and National Guard
Construction/maintenance workers.

Teachers?
School kids?
Prisoners?
Lawyers?
Dockworkers?
Restaurants?
Pastoral staff?

And where this forum has an extraordinary amount of people who are all about their conspiracy theories...leave that discussion in those threads. People want these Vaccines so they can get back to a normal life. If you don't want them fine by me and the billions who do.

Maybe it would be best to let people decide this for themselves!

After all, this is/was a free country.

Edit: Just so everyone knows, @JohnDB changed the title of this thread after the fact. Not very nice of him. You can expand the reply box at the top of this post to see his original OP.

***Everyone needs to consider the FACTS about COVID-19 before deciding to take any vaccine. The following is what I posted in my "Lies..." thread:

The lies pertaining to the death toll of this virus have been aplenty! The Epoch Times comes through yet again with a report that everyone should read. I read the following article and watched the related webinar by Genevieve Briand, who analyzed the CDC's official data pertaining to the fatality rate of COVID. What she found is astounding!

Briand found that there has NOT been a significant increase in U.S. deaths from natural causes overall in 2020 compared to other recent years. That's GOOD news, but why are we being told that the death toll for COVID is so high?? We've all seen the graphs showing huge spikes in the number of deaths, right??.

What the data shows is that where deaths attributed to COVID have spiked, deaths attributed to other natural causes, especially heart disease, have shown a corresponding DROP. So, the overall death rate is about the same. This is true across ALL age groups, even the elderly!

This is the article about Dr. Briand from The Epoch Times:

Johns Hopkins University Newspaper Pulls Down Article Questioning COVID-19 Death Tolls
By GQ Pan
November 27, 2020 Updated: November 27, 2020
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Johns Hopkins University’s student newspaper has removed an article, in which an economics professor suggested that the current COVID-19 death toll is misleading, based on her analysis of official data.

The article, which was published Sunday on Johns Hopkins News-Letter, focused on an analysis performed by Genevieve Briand, an assistant program director at the university’s economics department. Briand analyzed the effect of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus pandemic on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and presented her findings in a webinar.

The CDC data showed that the number of total deaths in the United States between mid-March and mid-September was 1.7 million, of which 200,000 are COVID-19-related. Briand looked at the total deaths in each age group and cause of death, and used that information to evaluate the impact of the pandemic.

“Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19,” the JHN article read. “Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.”

When it comes to causes of deaths, Briand found that the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. She said this is likely because that many deaths have been incorrectly labeled as COVID-19 deaths when they would have been attributed to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza, and pneumonia.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said, reported the JHN.

Briand concluded that she has found “no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths,” meaning that the number of deaths this year isn’t particularly higher than that of a normal year.

“If [the COVID-19 death toll] was not misleading at all, what we should have observed is an increased number of heart attacks and increased COVID-19 numbers. But a decreased number of heart attacks and all the other death causes doesn’t give us a choice but to point to some misclassification,” Briand said.

The JHN article was pulled down on Thursday without explanation. The student newspaper on Friday wrote on Twitter that the article was “being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies” about the impact of the pandemic, and that they “regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.”

Briand’s webinar, in which she explained her findings in detail with graphs, is still available on Johns Hopkins University’s YouTube channel by the time of this publication.

Source: Johns Hopkins University Newspaper Pulls Down Article Questioning COVID-19 Death Tolls

 

[JohnDB]

Maybe it would be best to let people decide this for themselves!

After all, this is/was a free country.

In America it's a civil rights violation for the government to force mandatory vaccinations.

But that doesn't stop employers from doing so.

But that subject is OFF TOPIC.

So...

There ARE hundreds of MILLIONS of people who are wanting the Vaccines but can't have them yet until produced....

Who should be allowed first right of refusal?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

In America it's a civil rights violation for the government to force mandatory vaccinations.

But that doesn't stop employers from doing so.

But that subject is OFF TOPIC.

So...

There ARE hundreds of MILLIONS of people who are wanting the Vaccines but can't have them yet until produced....

Who should be allowed first right of refusal?

They want the vaccine based on lies. I predict that the vaccines will cause more problems, possibly even more deaths, than the virus. We will see.

LIES...LIES...& MORE LIES...

 

[JohnDB]

They want the vaccine based on lies. I predict that the vaccines will cause more problems, possibly even more deaths, than the virus. We will see.

LIES...LIES...& MORE LIES...

But who should be allowed first access to the vaccine?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

But who should be allowed first access to the vaccine?

Whoever is on second???

That’s not right. Trying to remember that comedy bit.

To answer your question, I don’t think anyone should get it, obviously.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Then why are you even responding...

Do you have a mental health issue?

Is that what you think when someone doesn’t respond to your questions as you want them to??? If this is the case, I feel sorry for your wife. Just saying.

You made a HUGE assumption in your OP—that people SHOULD get the vaccine. I took issue with that assumption. If you consider this logical thinking to be mental illness, this says a lot about you!

BTW, why would you trust the drug companies that are producing the vaccines? IMO, they have NOT proven themselves to be trustworthy for many reasons.

 

[JohnDB]

Is that what you think when someone doesn’t respond to your questions as you want them to??? If this is the case, I felt sorry for your wife. Just saying.

You made a HUGE assumption in your OP—that people SHOULD get the vaccine. I took issue with that assumption. If you consider this logic to be mental illness, this says a lot about you!

The "assumption" you have is that people don't want it. In fact most people don't share YOUR opinion.

There are billions of people who want a vaccine so the world can return to normal.

Perhaps you don't...that would be a definite symptom of mental health issues.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The "assumption" you have is that people don't want it. In fact most people don't share YOUR opinion.

There are billions of people who want a vaccine so the world can return to normal.

Perhaps you don't...that would be a definite symptom of mental health issues.

NO, I am NOT making that assumption at all. I believe that most people WILL want it, but this will be based on LIES they are being told about the mortality rate of the virus.

Hey, you should thank me for posting. At the very least, my posts will get your thread featured. I think it’s silly not to question the safety of the vaccines, so your threads on this topic do people a disservice.

 

[JohnDB]

NO, I am NOT making that assumption at all. I believe that most people WILL want it, but this will be based on LIES they are being told about the mortality rate of the virus.

Hey, you should thank me for posting. At the very least, my posts will get your thread featured. I think it’s silly not to question the safety of the vaccines, so your threads on this topic do people a disservice.

Believing that tens of thousands of people will deliberately spend billions of dollars to knowingly lie and perpetuate a lie is mentally unbalanced.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Believing that tens of thousands of people will deliberately spend billions of dollars to knowingly lie and perpetuate a lie is mentally unbalanced.

Refusing to believe it is naive and delusional. There!!! One post closer to being featured!

BTW, what are your qualifications for determining if someone is mentally imbalanced??? Are you an expert on gastronomy and psychology? Just what was your major in college?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Also, why aren’t you researching and reporting on the possible dangers of these vaccines. From what I’ve read about your views on this topic, you don’t seem to understand that vaccines have harmed many people in past.

Even if past vaccines were all safe, some of the COVID vaccines are based on new technology. WE DON’T KNOW the long-term effects. All the more reason to proceed very cautiously.

I DON’T SUPPOSE YOU WILL ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT YOU WILL ACCUSE ME OF PROMOTING CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

NO LOGIC AT ALL, LOL!

 

[JohnDB]

 

[JohnDB]

 

[JohnDB]

Also, why aren’t you researching and reporting on the possible dangers of these vaccines. From what I’ve read about your views on this topic, you don’t seem to understand that vaccines have harmed many people in past.

Even if past vaccines were all safe, some of the COVID vaccines are based on new technology. WE DON’T KNOW the long-term effects. All the more reason to proceed very cautiously.

I DON’T SUPPOSE YOU WILL ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT YOU WILL ACCUSE ME OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

NO LOGIC AT ALL, LOL!

Instead of a real discussion topic you have made it a joke.

Real people are dying or being permanently harmed....

But they don't matter to you. You would rather kill more people than try to save anyone but your twisted logic.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Instead of a real discussion topic you have made it a joke.

Real people are dying or being permanently harmed....

But they don't matter to you. You would rather kill more people than try to save anyone but your twisted logic.

LIES...LIES...& MORE LIES...

One post closer, lol.

Edit: The problem is that YOU'RE not taking this topic seriously enough. You really need to educate yourself and read the thread--LIES...LIES...& MORE LIES... I've given you the link twice.

 

[Enoch111]

People want these Vaccines so they can get back to a normal life.

Who says that vaccines will restore normality? And the ones who die from the vaccine will be in a very abnormal state.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Mad ravings by lunatic conspiracy theorist.

So, this is how you handle opposition to your beliefs—name calling and refusing to answer questions. How silly.

I sincerely hope that you will pray about whether you should get the COVID vaccine. And please consider finding valid evidence that they are safe before promoting them further. And I don’t mean “evidence” from the drug companies that stand to make billions through sales.

 

[JohnDB]

So, this is how you handle opposition to your beliefs—name calling and refusing to answer questions. How silly.

I sincerely hope that you will pray about whether you should get the COVID vaccine. And please consider finding valid evidence that they are safe before promoting them further. And I don’t mean “evidence” from the drug companies that stand to make billions through sales.

I've watched and understood the research.
I know exactly which vaccine I want.
I know how it works and I know the risks.

I know which ones I don't want and have sound reasons for not choosing one of those. YMMV. And yes, my relationship with God is guiding my choice.

Apparently God has decided that you should win a Darwin Award by your refusal to take one.

 

[Grailhunter]

So, this is how you handle opposition to your beliefs—name calling and refusing to answer questions. How silly.

I sincerely hope that you will pray about whether you should get the COVID vaccine. And please consider finding valid evidence that they are safe before promoting them further. And I don’t mean “evidence” from the drug companies that stand to make billions through sales.

Ya got to see the humorous side of this!
Give JohnDB a bigger shovel!
You would have to have been living under a rock not know that hydroxychloroquine has been proven worldwide. Been around for 60 years, it has been proven safe and effective.
Class Action Lawsuits...people are asking who all to included...Billions of dollars. Deaths pain an suffering for no reason...85% of the deaths and illnesses could have been prevented. The media, various health officials, democrats are directly responsible for how many deaths? Then you have Governor Cuomo sentencing 6,500 elderly people to death.
So let him rant...take note and feed it back to him later.