God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.

[Ezra]

Not water baptism! But salvation, the spiritual transformation happens when we are born again - baptised by the Holy Spirit. Actually being baptised means immersed into the name of the Father and of the Son and if the Holy Spirit. Water does nothing, it is symbolic for the spiritual washing away of sins, the immersion in Christ. Even John the Baptist said his baptism was not the same (for the remission of sins) as Jesus baptism of the Holy Spirit.

AMEN

 

[Triumph1300]

Many years ago I had a coworker that I worked with ended up in a hospital with stage 4 cancer. That day as I was leaving work I heard The Lord speak to me and asked me to visit her before I went home. I really was not into doing it because it was snowing and the hospital was in the city. I ended up going and I saw my friend in a sad state. I did not plan my words but yet the words flowed out right. In a way it was a review of our relationship but showed with out a doubt, that The Lord was with me all along. It settled a lot of things in her mind. I did take her hands and prayed for her and right before I left I told her about what happens when one repents and calls upon the Name of The Lord. A few days later at work a christian friend of mine ask me if perhaps I had visited her in the hospital. I said yes. She then told me, I thought so, because when I visited her she was glowing and joined me in prayer and a reading of the Bible. A few days later my friend passed away but I have no doubt I will see her again.This was a woman who in her entire life never even had a Blble in her house, and yet He sent me to her. Thank you heavenly Father. Your mercy endures forever.

Good testimony.
Praise God.

 

[Triumph1300]

I also showed you that the Bible shows that there are exceptions to the rule - such as in the case of the Thief on the cross.
What YOU are trying to do is to formulate a doctrine from the exception instead of accepting the doctrine as stated in Scripture.

My Catholic friend I wish you, and yours a blessed sunday.

 

[GISMYS_7]

If being baptized saves you then Jesus need not have died to pay for your sins.

 

[Truther]

No - quoting Scripture (Like I did) is fine.
Not understanding it - like YOU don't is the problem.

Scripture plainly states - repeatedly - that Baptism of Water and the Spirit is when we are born again (John 3:5, Acts 2:38-39, 1 Pet. 3:21).
Adults need to repent first. Babies don't (Matt. 9:14, Acts 2:39, Acts 1:16, Acts 16:33).

I see.

Some must repent and be baptized and some need not repent and be baptized.

LOL

 

[Mungo]

How to be saved (born again) and join the family of God!!!

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved.............

Here we go again.

Jesus says "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's belief + baptism = salvation.

 

[Mungo]

If being baptized saves you then Jesus need not have died to pay for your sins.

Why not?

 

[Mungo]

I am not playing here.

Even though some times this place looks like a playground with little spoiled children.

It takes one to know one.

 

[user]

Here we go again.

Jesus says "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's belief + baptism = salvation.

That mocking bird or cuckoo bird (which ever it is) only playing games. Simply ignore.

 

[Heart2Soul]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.
The proof is found in God's word--the word that has no contradictions. Clearly, salvation is by faith. For example, Rom. 5:1 states that we are justified (declared righteous) by faith. It does not say faith and baptism. If baptism were part of salvation, then it would say we were justified by faith and baptism. But it does ""not"". If justification is by faith, then it is by faith. Baptism is ""not"" faith. It is a ceremony. It is something we do as a ritual. Proof baptism does not save is the many unbelievers that get baptized to please family and friends but remain and die unbelievers and will be in hell! Furthermore, please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved.

1. Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
2. Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
3. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
4. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
5. Baptism and John 3:5 | CARM.org
6. Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
7. Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
8. Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
9. Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

Nice thread!....
I have a question and I hope someone can answer....
Why did Jesus get baptized? He didn't need salvation because He was the one saving....
It makes you think doesn't it...still meditating on it.

 

[Marymog]

Because she loves to fight on Christian FORUMS.

I Fight for the Truth...Do you?

 

[Marymog]

While baptism in water is not the born again experience that Jesus taught, it is however a teaching of Jesus to be observed.

That’s not what He told Nicodemus!!

 

[Marymog]

Yet the vast majority of verses on salvation teach only belief in Christ fir salvation, not water dunking. @Marymog

Vast majority does not equal all. I comply with ALL of Scripture. Do you?

 

[GTW27]

Nice thread!....
I have a question and I hope someone can answer....
Why did Jesus get baptized? He didn't need salvation because He was the one saving....
It makes you think doesn't it...still meditating on it.

Perhaps related from one given eyes to see and ears to hear. Long ago I was invited to a Baptism of a young man that was in prison. He was going to Baptised in a river by a friend of mine who did prison ministry. The young man accepted Christ and now wanted to be Baptised. On that day, we met at my friends house. I soon found out that the transportation to the river was limited and that I would be riding on the back of a motorcycle. To be honest when I got on the back of the bike I was a little scared. I then heard, "my son, I have not given you a spirit of fear". After that, a peace, came over me. When we got to the river, as I was standing by the river and things were about to start, I could perceive(feel) the presense of The Lord just above the river. I knew that He was waiting patiently. Before the young man went down into the water he confirmed his belief(faith) and when he was raised from the water it was if he became anew. I looked at his eyes and they had changed, they looked pure and I knew at that moment he was clean. The one thing I will never forget is on the ride back. They put this young man in the back seat of a car and I was on the back of the bike again. There was one time I saw this young man(a stranger) leaning forward to see me on the back of the bike and our eyes locked. What I saw, was as if for a moment, my Father looking at me, through this young mans eyes with so much love, it melted my heart. I also knew, even though this young man was a stranger, that now that his journey had begun, that there would be many thing coming against him in the journey ahead. But I also knew that He whose eyes I was allowed to see, would never leave him nor forsake him. This is what I was allowed to see about a true baptism of The lord.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Perhaps related from one given eyes to see and ears to hear. Long ago I was invited to a Baptism of a young man that was in prison. He was going to Baptised in a river by a friend of mine who did prison ministry. The young man accepted Christ and now wanted to be Baptised. On that day, we met at my friends house. I soon found out that the transportation to the river was limited and that I would be riding on the back of a motorcycle. To be honest when I got on the back of the bike I was a little scared. I then heard, "my son, I have not given you a spirit of fear". After that, a peace, came over me. When we got to the river, as I was standing by the river and things were about to start, I could perceive(feel) the presense of The Lord just above the river. I knew that He was waiting patiently. Before the young man went down into the water he confirmed his belief(faith) and when he was raised from the water it was if he became anew. I looked at his eyes and they had changed, they looked pure and I knew at that moment he was clean. The one thing I will never forget is on the ride back. They put this young man in the back seat of a car and I was on the back of the bike again. There was one time I saw this young man(a stranger) leaning forward to see me on the back of the bike and our eyes locked. What I saw, was as if for a moment, my Father looking at me, through this young mans eyes with so much love, it melted my heart. I also knew, even though this young man was a stranger, that now that his journey had begun, that there would be many thing coming against him in the journey ahead. But I also knew that He whose eyes I was allowed to see, would never leave him nor forsake him. This is what I was allowed to see about a true baptism of The lord.

Praise God! That's an awesome testimony.
I believe water baptism serves as our death, burial, and resurrection from the old man to the new man now resurrected in Jesus...or let me rephrase that and say that is what the preacher taught me to believe.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Here we go again.

Jesus says "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
That's belief + baptism = salvation.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Praise God! That's an awesome testimony.
I believe water baptism serves as our death, burial, and resurrection from the old man to the new man now resurrected in Jesus...or let me rephrase that and say that is what the preacher taught me to believe.

Best ignore the ideas of man and believe and understand what God's Word says.
Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If being baptized saves you then Jesus need not have died to pay for your sins.

That's an incredibly ignorant statement, given the overwhelming Scriptural support for the regenerative healing of Baptism.

It is BECAUSE of the fact that He died to pay for our sins that Baptism has been made available to us. Without His death and resurrection, Baptism would be nothing more than getting wet.

However, BECAUSE he died and rose from the dead, it transforms us through the Holy Spirit and brings about the forgiveness of sins (Ezek. 36:25-28, Matt. 28:19, John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:37-38, Acts 10:48, Acts 19:1-7, Acts 22:16, Rom. 6: 3-4, Gal. 3:27, Col. 2:11-12, Eph. 4:5, Tit. 3:4-8, 1 Pet. 3:21).

 

[GISMYS_7]

Understand!!! There is NO regenerative healing of Baptism the regenerative healing comes from believe and accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior then obey and be baptized.
Yes!! Baptism is nothing more than getting wet for the unbeliever!.

Read in context and understand. Mark 16:16 5And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Who is condemned?? answer= the unbeliever not the un baptized as baptism does not save and the baptized unbeliever is not saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I see.
Some must repent and be baptized and some need not repent and be baptized.
LOL

Yup.

Adults need to repent because they SIN. Babies don't.
It's NOT that hard to figure out, son . . .

PS - Answer me this: Does a severely mentally-challenged person need to "repent" when they are Baptized?
CAN such a person repent? DOES such a person even sin without the full use of their faculties?