The bride of Christ
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Ziggy
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And God Said... Let ther be Light... and God saw the Light that it was good.
There is none good but God.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Time began in the beginning.. In God himself, who gave us sun, moon stars, for months and seasons and "times" .
And in the End he draws them back to himself, that there should be time no more.
And then there is a new heaven and a new earth..
This is God creating a family... generation after generation...
we are just one of those generations among the stars of heaven or the angels in heaven.. the sands of the sea..
Always in the business of creating.. Family..
There is none good but God.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Time began in the beginning.. In God himself, who gave us sun, moon stars, for months and seasons and "times" .
And in the End he draws them back to himself, that there should be time no more.
And then there is a new heaven and a new earth..
This is God creating a family... generation after generation...
we are just one of those generations among the stars of heaven or the angels in heaven.. the sands of the sea..
Always in the business of creating.. Family..
Jesus overcame the world [John 16:33], but by looking around us, we know that was not physical planet Earth. What Jesus overcame was his flesh and the ways of his flesh, which when followed lead to sin. Jesus overcame every obstacle or temptation which would have led him to sin. He had the advantage over us in that he never sinned thus never acquiring a history of sin with habits which either were sin or led to sin. This is why we needed to be born again... to catch up with Jesus. Then, being born again, we also need to overcome the world as Jesus did.
1 John 4:4 KJV
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
This is my point Christ in me and I in Him, how can I be an awaiting Bride?
Hebrews 10:19-20 KJV
[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
@amadeus
as @Ziggy quoted I and my Father are one.
Hebrews 10:19-20 KJV
[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
@amadeus
as @Ziggy quoted I and my Father are one.
Ziggy
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The church represents the woman, we are the children in the church. The church collectively the whole all of us, in the church are the bride.
Jesus is the head or husband of the bride/church. We are waiting for the next chapter...
Jesus is Adam and we are Eve.
Does this help?
Hugs
2 Corinthians 6:11-13 KJV
[11] O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. [12] Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. [13] Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
[11] O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. [12] Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. [13] Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
Ziggy
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Ziggy
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NLT:
Oh, dear Corinthian friends! We have spoken honestly with you, and our hearts are open to you.
There is no lack of love on our part, but you have withheld your love from us.
I am asking you to respond as if you were my own children. Open your hearts to us!
A little ways down you notice they are starting to fall away. Paul is trying to catch them before they do.
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
@Waiting on him
I've been in several discussions over the years at least touching on this subject. Here is one from 6-10-2015. Since the person in the discussion with me is no longer active on this forum, I have left off his name. His words are in blue while mine are in black:
Quote from: Other
I thought I was throwing a spanner in the works with my comment Amadeus, but you've just thrown a tool box in."
Amadeus:
Either many people have got it right and have had it right for a long time or...? At least consider!
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A) I haven't a clue whether there is any significant difference between bride and body. That wasn't my point, but maybe you can enlighten us.
Perhaps your statement was correct, but the fact that you haven't a clue kind of raises some questions, doesn't it? What have people presumed from the thoughts and conclusions of others and what is from God? I will give a few things that look a little bit like my own belief. They do not necessarily mean it is a fact, do they?
"The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel." Ezek 1:16
If the "wheel is the Body of Christ, which is the total of believers who make through the Door, then consider "the wheel in the middle" as the Bride that did more than "just" make it through.
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B) I haven't a clue about the significance of your scripture quote means. Again please enlighten us.
You use the word, "enlighten", as if I really could or perhaps it was used facetiously. The penned words of Paul say:
"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7
God gives the increase and the one that plants or waters (even if it is me) is not "any thing".
"There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her." Song of Solomon 6:8-9
I am not readily able to provide meanings for all scriptural numbers but the contrast between threescore (60), fourscore (80) without number, and one is certainly significant, isn't it?
Reading though the Song of Solomon, I see a conversation mostly between Jesus and his Bride to be that starts in the first chapter and continues through most of the Book. In one Bible I have it marked where Jesus speaks and where the Bride speaks. I do not even pretend to understand it all correctly, but I continue to try... hopefully with God's help.
Consider all of the churches in the world today or consider only those that consider themselves Christians or that you would consider in some measure are truly Christian and perhaps you will see all of the 'daughters, the queens, the concubines', but then look at the one that is more than a virgin. [certainly the Bride must consist of virgins (spiritually), but remember the difference in virgins in Matt 25:1-13.] Is this contrast not also seen here in the words of Jesus?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14
Then look back to Song of Solomon chapter 3 beginning with 3:1 and see the searcher encountered by the 'watchmen' [pastors, ministers, denominations, etc.?] who seemingly want to help that searcher find Jesus... but do they all really?
How much like Jesus (you and me and the other guy) are all of his followers today?
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
Then consider, are not others present at the marriage present besides the Bride and Bridegroom?
"..and gathered together... both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests" Matt 22:10
Some were improperly prepared and lost out: "he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment..." Matt 22:11
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C) My only reason was to point out that the Bride of Christ did not start just in the NT, and that's all.
You can explain your assertions Amadeus, I will explain mine. Lol
Francis
Did I "assert"? I may believe, but should I assert anything without having full knowledge of it?
I've been in several discussions over the years at least touching on this subject. Here is one from 6-10-2015. Since the person in the discussion with me is no longer active on this forum, I have left off his name. His words are in blue while mine are in black:
Quote from: Other
I thought I was throwing a spanner in the works with my comment Amadeus, but you've just thrown a tool box in."
Amadeus:
Either many people have got it right and have had it right for a long time or...? At least consider!
Quote from Other
A) I haven't a clue whether there is any significant difference between bride and body. That wasn't my point, but maybe you can enlighten us.
Perhaps your statement was correct, but the fact that you haven't a clue kind of raises some questions, doesn't it? What have people presumed from the thoughts and conclusions of others and what is from God? I will give a few things that look a little bit like my own belief. They do not necessarily mean it is a fact, do they?
"The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel." Ezek 1:16
If the "wheel is the Body of Christ, which is the total of believers who make through the Door, then consider "the wheel in the middle" as the Bride that did more than "just" make it through.
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B) I haven't a clue about the significance of your scripture quote means. Again please enlighten us.
You use the word, "enlighten", as if I really could or perhaps it was used facetiously. The penned words of Paul say:
"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7
God gives the increase and the one that plants or waters (even if it is me) is not "any thing".
"There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her." Song of Solomon 6:8-9
I am not readily able to provide meanings for all scriptural numbers but the contrast between threescore (60), fourscore (80) without number, and one is certainly significant, isn't it?
Reading though the Song of Solomon, I see a conversation mostly between Jesus and his Bride to be that starts in the first chapter and continues through most of the Book. In one Bible I have it marked where Jesus speaks and where the Bride speaks. I do not even pretend to understand it all correctly, but I continue to try... hopefully with God's help.
Consider all of the churches in the world today or consider only those that consider themselves Christians or that you would consider in some measure are truly Christian and perhaps you will see all of the 'daughters, the queens, the concubines', but then look at the one that is more than a virgin. [certainly the Bride must consist of virgins (spiritually), but remember the difference in virgins in Matt 25:1-13.] Is this contrast not also seen here in the words of Jesus?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14
Then look back to Song of Solomon chapter 3 beginning with 3:1 and see the searcher encountered by the 'watchmen' [pastors, ministers, denominations, etc.?] who seemingly want to help that searcher find Jesus... but do they all really?
How much like Jesus (you and me and the other guy) are all of his followers today?
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
Then consider, are not others present at the marriage present besides the Bride and Bridegroom?
"..and gathered together... both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests" Matt 22:10
Some were improperly prepared and lost out: "he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment..." Matt 22:11
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C) My only reason was to point out that the Bride of Christ did not start just in the NT, and that's all.
You can explain your assertions Amadeus, I will explain mine. Lol
Francis
Did I "assert"? I may believe, but should I assert anything without having full knowledge of it?
Are we children of God or only servants working by the power of God to overcome so as to be sons [children] and thereby heirs? Do people at time speak of being born again when they are still only stewards with no inheritance rights?
"He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." Rev 21:7
I do believe that every true believer has done some overcoming, but when is the work of overcoming completed? Do we still stumble and do we still fall at all? Lots of questions, but don't be too quick to conclude that it is all done already. Planet Earth to me, does not appear to consist of very many who had overcome it all. What needs to be overcome if not that which is in us and still draws us, still attract us and to which we still at times since believing have succumbed?
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16
Do we still have lust of flesh and eye and pride of life wanting to draw us into sin?
Thanks for the post @VictoryinJesus and @Ziggy were talking about this one found with no wedding garment.
Interesting that bind him aligns with much scripture.
Matthew 27:2 KJV
[2] And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.
Ziggy
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I see the chariot and the wheels and the faces.
The chariot is the Ark of the covenant, in which contains the (heart) manna, (mind) commandments, and (might) Rod, of the Lord.
Jesus is in the Ark.
The wheels are the 4 Gospels and the faces represent their steadfastness.
The spirit in the wheels is the Spirit of God they turn and move wherever he leads them.
Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
When Elijah was taken up into the chariot, he was taken up with Jesus in the Ark.
2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
When John the Baptist came they believed he was Elijah "born again" .
2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:19 And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water is naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20 And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought it to him.
2Ki 2:21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land.
2Ki 2:22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
just thinking..
Hugs
The chariot is the Ark of the covenant, in which contains the (heart) manna, (mind) commandments, and (might) Rod, of the Lord.
Jesus is in the Ark.
The wheels are the 4 Gospels and the faces represent their steadfastness.
The spirit in the wheels is the Spirit of God they turn and move wherever he leads them.
Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
When Elijah was taken up into the chariot, he was taken up with Jesus in the Ark.
2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
When John the Baptist came they believed he was Elijah "born again" .
2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:19 And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water is naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20 And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought it to him.
2Ki 2:21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land.
2Ki 2:22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
just thinking..
Hugs
In connection with that what is this saying?
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." I Cor 11:3
What is Jesus then? The Head of the Body of Christ?
What is the rib taken out of the 1st man Adam?
Is not the Bride, a woman, consisting of people, both male and female in the flesh, yet there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus?
The questions continue and the answers...?
I don’t have absolution dilution. This is why I’m asking for scripture stating the church is the bride, and there doesn’t seem to be anything solid.
Why do you think the word bride isn’t used in any of the epistles?
Ziggy
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I wonder if people wonder what it is they think they will inherit?
What is important to God that a person has?
Love. The gifts of the Spirit. Knowing God.. just Knowing Him is having Him.. is Having Eternal Life.
But you can't just say you know him because you do this or that, no.
Because then he will turn and say I never knew you.
It's not enough to have Jesus open the door so we can feel him.
We have to open our door and let him feel us.
If there is something not supposed to be there, He will bring it to the light, that is, himself.
And if we confess it, admit it, he will forgive us.
But if we try to hide from Him, He will hide from us.
I have no desire to sin. If even a thought of bitterness rises, I check myself. Sometimes anger will take a bite, or impatience.
But these are recoverable by seeking those you may have harmed by your rashness, asking for forgiveness.
I believe you have to stand your ground on principles, morals, virtues. And not allow the world to sway you or deceive you into giving in.
But once the lures or enticements of this world no longer have it's grip on you, then you are free indeed.
thinking..
Hugs
Ziggy
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You are not awaiting the Bride. You are in the Bride.
You are a seed waiting to be brought forth again in the New Jerusalem..
This is definately procreation.. The Bride is pregnant with children.. us.
We are not waiting for the Bride.
Christ is waiting for the time or Life... written in the book of Life.. the Birth.
He is still bringing in more wheat into the barn so to say..
It's not filled up yet.
The Bride will have to be ables to bare all living in the next generation.... genesis.
It's not time yet.
If the epistle writers were writing to the Church rather than the Bride perhaps your question may be understood in differences between the two. Every believer should be striving to make the Bride, to be a part of the undefiled one of Song 6:9. Being a part of the Body, means Jesus will rest in us as we are able to rest in Him. The whole of the Body, that is all of its fitted parts, may ultimately be saved [maybe not], but the Bride goes beyond the promises of final salvation. Every spiritual virgin may be saved and ready to marry in her own mind, but consider the difference between Esther and all of the other virgins gathered from throughout the empire to be he new Bride of the Emperor. All of them underwent in depth and lengthy preparation... but only one in the end qualified.
We all should be striving to make the Bride, which is the best place for us, is it not? Some are likely to come up short on that, but isn't it better to end up among the clean or even the unclean animals in the lower levels of the ark built by Noah [having missed out on being at the top] rather than being left outside where they were all killed? Say what you will about those unclean and clean animals, they were saved?
Recall this verse:
"She [Wisdom]hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table." Prov 9:2
To make the Bride, I believe, a person must kill all of their own beasts, both the unclean ones and the clean ones. Did Jesus not provide the means for whosoever will to do it?
If I am correct then all of the Bride will come out of the Church. Everyone in the Bride will be saved. Others not in the Bride will also be saved, but the Bride really is the "cream of the crop" so to speak. To qualify as the Queen, Esther had to do better than Vashti.
"And Esther obtained favour in the sight of all them that looked upon her..." Esther 2:15
"And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown upon her head, and made her queen instead of Vashti." Esther 2:17
Maybe a difficulty remains in verses speaking of being One with Him? Can the Church be One with Him with the Bride somehow being even closer than that? This remains one of my own difficulties for sure. But... not to worry, for God certainly knows the answer. Whether He will share it here and now with us is another thing.
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