7 reasons why Peter was not perfect after Pentecost and was guilty of sin.

[Ziggy]

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I suppose it's how one hears it.

I'm glad Jesus didn't run when the Pharisees confronted him with sitting at the table with sinners.
Amen?

Hugs

 

[ChristisGod]

Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I suppose it's how one hears it.

I'm glad Jesus didn't run when the Pharisees confronted him with sitting at the table with sinners.
Amen?

Hugs

Amen is right !

 

[DPMartin]

I will call this Paul's sevenfold rebuke of Peters hypocrisy and beak it down with scripture not my opinion.

Paul's words to Peter were as follows:

1) I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.
2)he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.
3) The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy,
4) so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
5)they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel
6)You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew
7)you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs

You can read the story in Galatians 2.

And please don't blame me for this blame God, Paul and Peter since God included in His word and Paul confronted Peter.

BTW- if Peter an Apostle could not reach a sinless state post indwelling of the Holy Spirit what on earth makes you think you are above Peter in reaching sinlessness ?

hope this helps !!!

according to John anyone who says they are sinless is a liar. and also says the Lord is faithful to forgive.

 

[Taken]

Tell me what Jesus thinks about hypocrisy after reading Matthew 23.

After-all Jesus is the Truth and the Standard for Truth.

Thanks !

The matter is not telling you what Jesus Thinks.

You Declared a Peter a sinner for an incident that occurred between Peter and Paul.

You imply your belief is; men can Sin Against men.

If that is your belief, do you also believe Men Forgive Sins of men?

 

[Ziggy]

I like to know how Paul felt he had the authority to "condemn" Peter?

I see a Kingdom fighting against a Kingdom trying to take it down.
Divide it so it won't stand.
But Jesus told Peter, EVEN THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL!

I say, is Peter perfect? umm no
Is Paul perfect? umm no

But the devil will try to sift you like wheat Peter, but the Lord has prayed for you.. mm hmm amen and amen.

These are like two brothers, Jacob and Esau, both fighting for the crown.

And what really amazes me, Praise God, is even through their battle, the Gospel Prevailed.

So Rome decided they was going to cash in on this new deal.
Paul was going everywhere collecting money.
Peter had people throwing money at his feet.

Politics... you can't escape it. It is what it is.

Personally I don't follow either one of them.
I follow the Lord.
Hugs

 

[ChristisGod]

The matter is not telling you what Jesus Thinks.

You Declared a Peter a sinner for an incident that occurred between Peter and Paul.

You imply your belief is; men can Sin Against men.

If that is your belief, do you also believe Men Forgive Sins of men?

read Matthew 23

thats my final answer

 

[ChristisGod]

I like to know how Paul felt he had the authority to "condemn" Peter?

I see a Kingdom fighting against a Kingdom trying to take it down.
Divide it so it won't stand.
But Jesus told Peter, EVEN THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL!

I say, is Peter perfect? umm no
Is Paul perfect? umm no

But the devil will try to sift you like wheat Peter, but the Lord has prayed for you.. mm hmm amen and amen.

These are like two brothers, Jacob and Esau, both fighting for the crown.

And what really amazes me, Praise God, is even through their battle, the Gospel Prevailed.

So Rome decided they was going to cash in on this new deal.
Paul was going everywhere collecting money.
Peter had people throwing money at his feet.

Politics... you can't escape it. It is what it is.

Personally I don't follow either one of them.
I follow the Lord.
Hugs

Amen the One who is Perfect is the One who walked on the water(didn't sink ) and Rose from the dead for our sins.

 

[Taken]

I like to know how Paul felt he had the authority to "condemn" Peter?

Paul didn't condemn Peter.
The confrontation wasn't about who would eat with whom...but moreso WHO would be SEEN eating with WHO...And BY WHOM would they be SEEN.

Circumcision of the Foreskin was a (long established MARK upon a Jew, specific TO Jews) that Established a SEPARATION, between Jews AND Gentile's.

Jesus Taught Circumcision of the Heart, and that Offering came from Jesus.

Remembering Jesus taught his Disciples, and they were tasked with Teaching the Jews....
Few by Few as the Disciples traveled about.

Paul was tasked with primarily teaching the Gentiles.

Not everyone Jew or Gentile had yet heard or had been taught Circumcision of the Heart.
Peter seemed to have no problem "unseen" by other Jews, to eat with Gentiles.
Peter did seem "unprepared" to Being in familiar company of Gentiles...when Jews showed up....Obviously Able to SEE Peter with Gentiles....and Peter wanted the Jews TO NOT SEE Peter consorting with Gentiles.

Paul IMO, held a higher Confidance, as exampled by Jesus (as Jesus Himself...was confronted by Jews challenging His consorting with Gentiles).

It was most likely an Embarrassment for Paul to call Peter out. Which IMO was a lesson for Peter to be Confidant in his beliefs, regardless of WHO is observing...as well as a Lesson to the Jews...and most importantly a lesson to the Gentiles,...of Paul's Teaching on Circumcision of the Heart, (NOT the foreskin), is the Circumcision Jesus offered to All men.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

@Christophany,

I think that you have brought this thing up out of Galatians 2 as an argument against what the Bible teaches about the doctrine of entire sanctification.

However, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations (arguments) and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of the Lord, taking into captivity every though to the obedience of Christ. (2 Corinthians 10:3-5).

So, here, I am merely going to utilize those weapons of warfare (the sword of the Spirit brandished with the power of prayer behind it) here:

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.


1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


Rom 6:6, Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Col 2:11, In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

I would also suggest considering the scriptures that I have placed in my signature.

 

[Taken]

read Matthew 23

thats my final answer

I saw YOUR OP.
Your claim.
Your words.
Scripture does not verify what you claim.
And ignoring a simple question, is not an answer.

 

[marks]

If that is your belief, do you also believe Men Forgive Sins of men?

Myself, I prefer to be wary of calling guilty those whom God has rendered innocent.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I think that you have brought this thing up out of Galatians 2 as an argument against what the Bible teaches about the doctrine of entire sanctification.

I'm seeing this as taking a passage that's really meant for one thing, and attempting to use it to prove a point about another thing. For me this is apples and oranges.

The bent to declare Peter guilty of sin makes me decidedly uncomfortable, to say the least!

Much love!

 

[marks]

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

While I don't feel like I have any assurance that this will be my experience going forward - I don't know, and I don't rule it out. God is most certainly able to make us stand!

Why does He allow things to continue in our lives? You'd have to ask Him, I suppose. Sometimes He does and sometimes He doesn't. I suspect He knows the best way to go about renewing our minds.

We stand by faith, and God gives faith, so may God increase our faith!

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

I'm seeing this as taking a passage that's really meant for one thing, and attempting to use it to prove a point about another thing. For me this is apples and oranges.

The bent to declare Peter guilty of sin makes me decidedly uncomfortable, to say the least!

Much love!

read Matthew 23 where Jesus condemns hypocrisy.

if its not a sin why did Jesus condemn it ?

 

[ChristisGod]

NT:5273- Hypocrite

1. The Synoptic Tradition. As in the LXX, the group has a bad sense in the Synoptists. Jesus calls his opponents because they cannot discern "this time" (Luke 12:54 ff.), i.e., because they are in self-contradiction in their evaluations. A similar self-contradiction arises regarding what is permissible on the sabbath (13:15-16), or regarding their own faults and those of others (Matt 7:3 ff.), or regarding the outward and inward worship of God (Mark 7:8). The jarring contradiction between precept and practice gives rise to the charge in Matt 23:13 ff. A pious appearance and a distortion of proportion conceal the failure to do God's will. In contrast, the disciples must achieve a greater righteousness (Matt 5:20), showing a concern for integrity rather than status (6:2 ff.). Sham will result in ruin (6:2 ff.; 24:51). It comes to expression in the attempt to entrap Jesus while supposedly raising serious questions (cf. Mark 12:15).

2. Paul. Paul uses the group in Gal 2:13. When Peter changes his practice on the arrival of envoys from Jerusalem, he is not just trying to deceive the envoys, nor acting in contradiction with himself; he is falling away from the truth of the gospel, which, with the doctrine of justification by faith, implies equality of Jew and Gentile.

3. The Pastorals. In 1 Tim 4:2 the term conveys the sense of evildoer or apostate. The sayings of the false teachers are deceitful, for they contradict the truth of God (cf. 6:5; 2 Tim 3:8). This is

(from Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, abridged edition, Copyright © 1985 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

For those who have ears to hear

Question: "What does the Bible say about hypocrisy?"

Answer: In essence, “hypocrisy” refers to the act of claiming to believe something but acting in a different manner. The word is derived from the Greek term for “actor”—literally, “one who wears a mask”—in other words, someone who pretends to be what he is not.

The Bible calls hypocrisy a sin. There are two forms hypocrisy can take: that of professing belief in something and then acting in a manner contrary to that belief, and that of looking down on others when we ourselves are flawed.

The prophet Isaiah condemned the hypocrisy of his day: “The Lord says, ‘These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men’” (Isaiah 29:13). Centuries later, Jesus quoted this verse, aiming the same condemnation at the religious leaders of His day (Matthew 15:8-9). John the Baptist refused to give hypocrites a pass, telling them to produce “fruits worthy of repentance” (Luke 3:8). Jesus took an equally staunch stand against sanctimony—He called hypocrites “wolves in sheep’s clothing” (Matthew 7:15), “whitewashed tombs” (Matthew 23:27), “snakes,” and “brood of vipers” (Matthew 23:33).

We cannot say we love God if we do not love our brothers (1 John 2:9). Love must be “without hypocrisy” (Romans 12:9, NKJV). A hypocrite may look righteous on the outside, but it is a façade. True righteousness comes from the inner transformation of the Holy Spirit not an external conformity to a set of rules (Matthew 23:5; 2 Corinthians 3:8).

Jesus addressed the other form of hypocrisy in the Sermon on the Mount: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:3-5). Jesus is not teaching against discernment or helping others overcome sin; instead, He is telling us not be so prideful and convinced of our own goodness that we criticize others from a position of self-righteousness. We should do some introspection first and correct our own shortcomings before we go after the “specks” in others (cf. Romans 2:1).

During Jesus’ earthly ministry, He had many run-ins with the religious leaders of the day, the Pharisees. These men were well versed in the Scriptures and zealous about following every letter of the Law (Acts 26:5). However, in adhering to the letter of the Law, they actively sought loopholes that allowed them to violate the spirit of the Law. Also, they displayed a lack of compassion toward their fellow man and were often overly demonstrative of their so-called spirituality in order to garner praise (Matthew 23:5–7; Luke 18:11). Jesus denounced their behavior in no uncertain terms, pointing out that “justice, mercy, and faithfulness” are more important than pursuing a perfection based on faulty standards (Matthew 23:23). Jesus made it clear that the problem was not with the Law but the way in which the Pharisees implemented it (Matthew 23:2-3). Today, the word pharisee has become synonymous with hypocrite.

It must be noted that hypocrisy is not the same as taking a stand against sin. For example, it is not hypocrisy to teach that drunkenness is a sin, unless the one teaching against drunkenness gets drunk every weekend—that would be hypocrisy.


As children of God, we are called to strive for holiness (1 Peter 1:16). We are to “hate what is evil” and “cling to what is good” (Romans 12:9). We should never imply an acceptance of sin, especially in our own lives. All we do should be consistent with what we believe and who we are in Christ. Play-acting is meant for the stage, not for real life. got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

read Matthew 23 where Jesus condemns hypocrisy.

if its not a sin why did Jesus condemn it ?

Let's stay on point. You've declared Peter guilty of sin from your reading of Galatians 2. Is that what you meant?

I don't see us being guilty of sin once we are in Christ.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Let's stay on point. You've declared Peter guilty of sin from your reading of Galatians 2. Is that what you meant?

I don't see us being guilty of sin once we are in Christ.

Much love!

Are you sinless ?

Was Peter sinless ?

 

[marks]

Play-acting is meant for the stage, not for real life.

Imitators, or mimics . . .


It's the old, fake it till you make it. We imitate God, which is to take on behaviors that are not already our own, but, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, as we do this, we see the reality in our lives as we are changed into that same image, out of glory, into glory.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Are you sinless ?

No.

Are you guilty of sin? I'm not.

Much love!