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BarneyFife

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But what about those who think they can improve their standing with God if they can better control their behavior? Their thoughts?

Those who believe that if they commit sin that this breaks fellowship with God, until such time as they "make it right"?

Much love!
Do people really believe they lose and regain their salvation throughout the day like turning a light switch on and off? I don't. And I'm one of those people who are not in sympathy with eternal security.
We are freed from the power of sin and the flesh through the death of Christ. No one who is born again need sin ever again any more, and no one who is born again will ever be guilty of sin. But this will work out in our lives according to our faith, our trust that these things are true.

Be it to you according to your faith. Trust in Jesus, that He has made a full and completely reconciliation to restore us back to God.

Much love!
Whoever commits sin is guilty of sin regardless of their perceived standing with God. Full and complete reconciliation notwithstanding.
 
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Do people really believe they lose and regain their salvation throughout the day like turning a light switch on and off? I don't. And I'm one of those people who are not in sympathy with eternal security.

Whoever commits sin is guilty of sin regardless of their perceived standing with God. Full and complete reconciliation notwithstanding.
When I say guilty, what I mean is judicially guilty, so that they will be subject to the punishment for sin, that being eternal separation from God.

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legalism
[ lee-guh-liz-uhm ]
noun
strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit.
Theology.
  1. the doctrine that salvation is gained through good works.
  2. the judging of conduct in terms of adherence to precise laws.
(initial capital letter) (in Chinese philosophy) the principles and practices of a school of political theorists advocating strict legal control over all activities, a system of rewards and punishments uniform for all classes, and an absolute monarchy.
 
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Do people really believe they lose and regain their salvation throughout the day like turning a light switch on and off?
I know people who do. And I know people who realize that's not happening, but they still act and feel as if it were, as if they have the head knowledge, but it hasn't penentrated into the heart.

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BarneyFife

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When I say guilty, what I mean is judicially guilty, so that they will be subject to the punishment for sin, that being eternal separation from God.

Much love!
What other kind of guilt is there?
 

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What other kind of guilt is there?
Responsibility. If I commit sin - any sin, I don't care what it is, I don't have to, therefore I can choose, therefore if I don't choose to not sin, that's on me. I'm responsible.

That sin will not condemn me to separation from God, because Jesus has given me a new life that's not dependant on whether I am "sinless" or not. My new life is dependant on being In Christ, being reborn the spirit child of God.

This is why I oppose the notion of "willful sin" and "unwillful sin". In the unbeliever, who has only the flesh life, that's all they can do, live out their flesh life. But now God calls on everyone to repent.

As a child of God, we are free to live righteousness, and if we don't we will suffer the loss, but not the loss of our reconcilition to God.

Much love!
 

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None. Matter or material construction is not necessary. Otherwise, we are in trouble. We need supernatural reconstruction.

So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. (Isaiah 55:11)
Sorry, but I'm confused why you asked if those words have creative power.
 

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“Go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)
I really equate this to Jesus, and Peter on the Sea of Galilee.

Peter challenged Jesus. You say it's You? If it's really You, Jesus, then tell me to walk on the water over there to You!"

"Come!"

"Come to Me, all who are weary, and heavily burdened, and I will give you rest."

Come to Me, Peter!

Peter stepped out of the boat because he believed that if Jesus told him to do something, then he could. And he did! Walking on water!

Oh Mark, why did you doubt?
I saw the waves, and I forgot your command. Oh let me always remember your command!

But it is now with a promise . . . the one who has died has been justified away from sin.

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Sorry, but I'm confused why you asked if those words have creative power.

Romans 4:17
(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

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I wouldn't say so. Your quote encompasses more than "Go, and sin no more." Simple grammar demonstrates that.
Grammar is an excuse when spiritual matters are being discussed. "Go and sin no more" was a command to "Repent and be converted". If that is not clear enough, then nothing is clear.
 

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Romans 4:17
(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Much love!
I see these two statements as being completely different. God KNEW that His Messiah would come from the bloodline of Abraham. God also knew that the gentiles would become "children of Abraham" by faith in Jesus Christ (Gal 3:7). So, long before the Messiah came forth, God changed the name of the fatherless man Abram to Abraham, meaning the "Father of Many Nations." God "called those things which be not as though they were." The name Abraham represented a promise concerning future events.

How can the words "Go and sin no more" serve as a promise of future events? I believe that these words spoken by Jesus to the woman caught in the act of adultery were a warning, not a promise.
 

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We should always be striving to eliminate all sin in our lives. It's a journey that will keep us busy for a lifetime. I prefer legalism to liberalism for that very reason. But we should not put our faith in our adherence to the laws of God. But God did say that those who truly love him will not sin but under constraint.
 

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Grammar is an excuse when spiritual matters are being discussed. "Go and sin no more" was a command to "Repent and be converted". If that is not clear enough, then nothing is clear.
What does "that your sins may be blotted out" have to do with the command: "Go, and sin no more?" I'm not making excuses for anything. If it's not clear to you that one sentence is longer than the other and has more meaning, then there's nothing more to be said about the matter. You're just being argumentative.
 

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"Does the Word of God accomplish what it says or not?" is the question.
And a good question it is!!

Isaiah 55:10-11
10) For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Jeremiah 1:11-12
11) Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree.
12) Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.

God sent His Word to save and sanctify me.

Much love!
 

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You're stuck on the word "creative" I guess. "Does the Word of God accomplish what it says or not?" is the question.
That's because the word creative has to do with creating. So, creative power is the power to create, right? o_O

Does the word of God accomplish what it says? His word accomplishes what He wants it to accomplish. That's as close as I can get to answering your question, and I will bow out of this discussion, leaving you with this scripture.

Isaiah 55:10-11
For just as rain and snow fall from heaven
and do not return there
without saturating the earth
and making it germinate and sprout,
and providing seed to sow
and food to eat,
so My word that comes from My mouth
will not return to Me empty,
but it will accomplish what I please
and will prosper in what I send it to do.