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WaterSong
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No one is yet in Hell. Revelation 20.
Revelation 22:19, “If anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”
Revelation 22:19, “If anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”
"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"
Luke 16:22-28 (NKJV)
22 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
WaterSong
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The place of torment is commonly known as Hades. Hades is not Hell.
Matthew 16:13-18, 21
Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.”… From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.
Those in the eternal fire won't care what name you give it.
"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"
WaterSong
Well-Known Member
They should care that peoples opinion doesn't change God's word in Revelation.
I would hope we feel pity for anyone who presumes to tally a daily "Hell population clock". Which is not Biblical. And commit to spreading this on numerous Christian community forums.
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WaterSong
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Jehovah had been stiffening Pharaoh's resolve off and on in the book of
Exodus during their confrontation over Moses' people leaving Egypt.
Well; the intermissions wherein God allowed Pharaoh time to think about
what he was doing were done; it was time to die and just to make sure
Pharaoh didn't escape the grim reaper; Jehovah strengthened the monarch's
will to resist one final time.
• Ex 14:1-4 . . Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying: Tell the sons of Israel to
turn back and camp before Pi-hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea; you
shall camp in front of Baal-zephon, opposite it, by the sea.
. . . For Pharaoh will say of the sons of Israel "They are wandering aimlessly
in the land; the wilderness has shut them in." Thus I will harden Pharaoh's
heart, and he will chase after them; and I will be honored through Pharaoh
and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am Jehovah.
The name "Jehovah" a.k.a. Yahweh, has a special connotation to it. It's not
really a moniker, it's more like a descriptor that has something to do with
knights in shining armor (so to speak) i.e. rescuers, redeemers providers,
and protectors.
Well; it's about to finally sink into the thick skulls of Mr. Pharaoh and his
minions that the god they've been toying with is far stronger than any of
them ever imagined.
Long story short: Jehovah stiffened Pharaoh's resolve; so he saddled up and
gave chase and caught up to the fleeing Israelites and when he came up
behind them into the parted Red Sea, the waters closed in and drowned the
whole lot of them.
This incident is said to be a baptism (1Cor 10:1-2) which is very interesting
because none of Moses' people got wet; not even any of their shoes.
• Ex 14:29 . . But the sons of Israel walked on dry land through the midst of
the sea, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on
their left.
NOTE: Critics are prone to complain that hardening Pharaoh just to give
Jehovah an opportunity to drown the poor man in the Red Sea and thus
prove he was no match for Jehovah's superior strength, was cruel and
unfair. Well; I must admit that it seems that way to me too. However; I'm
only human and so are Jehovah's critics.
When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, he and his wife obtained an intuitive
sense of right and wrong (Gen 3:22). Unfortunately, the sense they obtained
was unreliable due to the fact that it was a product of the Serpent's
handiwork instead of their divine benefactor's.
The Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil/Satan (Rev 12:9) --has the power of death
(Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the human
mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
That explains why God is commonly perceived making mistakes and/or
acting like a demented fiend; and also why, try as it might, the human mind
cannot make sense of some of the things that God does. The old saw "God
moves in mysterious ways His wonders to perform" certainly holds true in
quite a few incidents recorded in the Bible.
Pop Clock Update: 3,144 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 173,221,824 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
Jehovah had been stiffening Pharaoh's resolve off and on in the book of
Exodus during their confrontation over Moses' people leaving Egypt.
Well; the intermissions wherein God allowed Pharaoh time to think about
what he was doing were done; it was time to die and just to make sure
Pharaoh didn't escape the grim reaper; Jehovah strengthened the monarch's
will to resist one final time.
• Ex 14:1-4 . . Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying: Tell the sons of Israel to
turn back and camp before Pi-hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea; you
shall camp in front of Baal-zephon, opposite it, by the sea.
. . . For Pharaoh will say of the sons of Israel "They are wandering aimlessly
in the land; the wilderness has shut them in." Thus I will harden Pharaoh's
heart, and he will chase after them; and I will be honored through Pharaoh
and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am Jehovah.
The name "Jehovah" a.k.a. Yahweh, has a special connotation to it. It's not
really a moniker, it's more like a descriptor that has something to do with
knights in shining armor (so to speak) i.e. rescuers, redeemers providers,
and protectors.
Well; it's about to finally sink into the thick skulls of Mr. Pharaoh and his
minions that the god they've been toying with is far stronger than any of
them ever imagined.
Long story short: Jehovah stiffened Pharaoh's resolve; so he saddled up and
gave chase and caught up to the fleeing Israelites and when he came up
behind them into the parted Red Sea, the waters closed in and drowned the
whole lot of them.
This incident is said to be a baptism (1Cor 10:1-2) which is very interesting
because none of Moses' people got wet; not even any of their shoes.
• Ex 14:29 . . But the sons of Israel walked on dry land through the midst of
the sea, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right hand and on
their left.
NOTE: Critics are prone to complain that hardening Pharaoh just to give
Jehovah an opportunity to drown the poor man in the Red Sea and thus
prove he was no match for Jehovah's superior strength, was cruel and
unfair. Well; I must admit that it seems that way to me too. However; I'm
only human and so are Jehovah's critics.
When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, he and his wife obtained an intuitive
sense of right and wrong (Gen 3:22). Unfortunately, the sense they obtained
was unreliable due to the fact that it was a product of the Serpent's
handiwork instead of their divine benefactor's.
The Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil/Satan (Rev 12:9) --has the power of death
(Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the human
mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
That explains why God is commonly perceived making mistakes and/or
acting like a demented fiend; and also why, try as it might, the human mind
cannot make sense of some of the things that God does. The old saw "God
moves in mysterious ways His wonders to perform" certainly holds true in
quite a few incidents recorded in the Bible.
Pop Clock Update: 3,144 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 173,221,824 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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FYI: In some English versions of the Bible, oftentimes the word "lord" is
rendered in all caps like this "LORD". That's to alert the reader that the
Hebrew word is YHVH.
Well, apparently nobody really knows how best to translate that spelling.
Some say it's Jehovah and some say it's Yahweh, and yet others get away
from it altogether by referring to YHVH as Hashem.
Pop Clock Update: 3,148 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 173,442,208 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
FYI: In some English versions of the Bible, oftentimes the word "lord" is
rendered in all caps like this "LORD". That's to alert the reader that the
Hebrew word is YHVH.
Well, apparently nobody really knows how best to translate that spelling.
Some say it's Jehovah and some say it's Yahweh, and yet others get away
from it altogether by referring to YHVH as Hashem.
Pop Clock Update: 3,148 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 173,442,208 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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Many years ago it occurred to me that even if I was able to force myself to
be pious enough during my lifetime to qualify for Heaven; I was pretty sure I
couldn't keep it up for eternity. Sooner or later my true colors would show
themselves.
At the core of my being is the non-divine human nature of the original
Adam, i.e. my existence is no different than his and that's because my
existence was produced by his existence, i.e. I am that first Adam's
biological progeny and no other's. I am not, by nature, a two-fold being, i.e.
I am not a spirit son of God and a biological son of Man. I came from my
mother's womb as only a son of Man.
Now, it's already been decided that no biological son of that first Adam will
be-- and currently is not --accepted into the kingdom of God (1Cor 15:50)
consequently the extremely grave importance of taking the initiative to
verify Christ is in you in order to assure that we don't leave this life with only
non-divine human nature at the core our being.
• Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
• 2Cor 13:5-6 . . Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test
yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? --
unless indeed you are disqualified.
Pop Clock Update: 3,165 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 174,378,840 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
Many years ago it occurred to me that even if I was able to force myself to
be pious enough during my lifetime to qualify for Heaven; I was pretty sure I
couldn't keep it up for eternity. Sooner or later my true colors would show
themselves.
At the core of my being is the non-divine human nature of the original
Adam, i.e. my existence is no different than his and that's because my
existence was produced by his existence, i.e. I am that first Adam's
biological progeny and no other's. I am not, by nature, a two-fold being, i.e.
I am not a spirit son of God and a biological son of Man. I came from my
mother's womb as only a son of Man.
Now, it's already been decided that no biological son of that first Adam will
be-- and currently is not --accepted into the kingdom of God (1Cor 15:50)
consequently the extremely grave importance of taking the initiative to
verify Christ is in you in order to assure that we don't leave this life with only
non-divine human nature at the core our being.
• Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.
• 2Cor 13:5-6 . . Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test
yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? --
unless indeed you are disqualified.
Pop Clock Update: 3,165 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 174,378,840 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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FAQ: What if somebody was born dishonest?
A: You mean like this?
• Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
go astray from birth.
Then I suggest they take advantage of whatever time remains on their life
clock to begin preparing themselves for the worst when they pass on.
• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
Pop Clock Update: 3,170 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 174,654,320, new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
FAQ: What if somebody was born dishonest?
A: You mean like this?
• Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
go astray from birth.
Then I suggest they take advantage of whatever time remains on their life
clock to begin preparing themselves for the worst when they pass on.
• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
Pop Clock Update: 3,170 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 174,654,320, new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
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Remember hell is not real, we are all put to sleep and will awaken when Christ returns. All of those people who we might not know are dead may be saved G-d says A great multitude is gonna enter the kingdom of heaven one we cannot count ? and Paul says Romans 2:13 gentiles will be saved based on their consciousness so you don't decide who goes to heaven only the lord and there will be A world full of people of his word.
nope it's misinterpreted hell or hades is not based in hebrew langauge, the bible is true but the way of talk has change and we have to go back to hebrew roots and ways of thinking to understand what G-d really meant ;D.
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• Rev 21:1-3 . . Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first
heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any
sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven
from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
• Rev 21:27 . . Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does
what is deceitful,
• Rev 22:15 . . Outside is everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Those passages are really bad news for natural-born liars because deception
and disinformation are pretty much the only way of life they know.
FAQ: What's on the "outside" referred to in Rev 22:15?
A: The sum of all fears.
• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
Pop Clock Update: 3,176 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 174,984,896, new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
• Rev 21:1-3 . . Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first
heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any
sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven
from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
• Rev 21:27 . . Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does
what is deceitful,
• Rev 22:15 . . Outside is everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Those passages are really bad news for natural-born liars because deception
and disinformation are pretty much the only way of life they know.
FAQ: What's on the "outside" referred to in Rev 22:15?
A: The sum of all fears.
• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
Pop Clock Update: 3,176 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 174,984,896, new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
_
All of our English Bibles say you are wrong. Do you think belief in Hell is required to burn in Hell?
sorry kcnalp english isn't hebrew sorry to burst that bubble of yours. It's in hebrew in what they said back in those days, the context is from how they said it still is true and you don't know it. I reccomend you find the roots of hades and hell and the meaning is not in hebrew but in greek.
Here is A lesson Jesus said he will come down and with voice of an archangel awaken the dead and make them rise because the never entered hell or heaven. And they will be judge those who baptized and didn't get baptized they were all asleep and never enter hell Jesus then wakes them up. The word in hebrew Sheol means resting place, when man dies thier soul or neshamah goes back to G-d. He breaths the dead body and retrieves the spirit and when he comes like Jesus he shouts and he gives every human being his soul and will be judged.
That's why people never enter hell, since beggining of time god never created hell, pepople thought it and think it's true just because of thier own pagan beliefs, Go study what the word hades means and sheol they mean two seperate things. Both are not in english ;D.
What are your credentials for declaring all of our English Bibles to be wrong?
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Never believe there is no lake of fire . never believe these folks who say there is no place of eternal torment . JESUS SPOKE OF IT .
AND it was a place that after the body had been killed by man or etc , they are tormented in .
I dont heed folks who use all these modern definitions of words to simply justify a lie .
GOD already said what HE is and will do unto all who take away from the prophecy of that book . AND the lake of fire IS MENTIONED IN IT .
Too many folks are trying to either omit hell fire or air condition the place . NOPE . ITS REAL .
AND i promise it awaits all who rejected the biblical true JESUS . Peter said , not in vain , that men often wrest scripture unto
their own destruction . HE was RIGHT . many do .
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