So, you believe one can irrevocably lose salvation by a stray word? Up against the hundreds of scriptures that give us assurance of salvation?
What Does Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit Actually Mean?
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TheslightestID
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We have assurance of salvation only if we are obediant to God, as in making a sincere effort not to sin, meaning we must hold on to the end in doing good or lose that salvation. IOW salvation can be lost, but it is up to Jesus if it is lost for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Regardless of if it is a sin that will damn us to Hell or not, the unforgivable sin is still exactly what Christ said it is, and any attempt to change that so it is a bit easier to take is very likely frowned upon greatly by the all mighty.
Changing the bible is just an overall bad idea, whether it be changing the unforgivable sin to something other than what Christ said it was, or twising the word of God into our never being able to lose salvation.
If it's not the sin that damns us, it's obviously not unforgiven. And the weight of scripture indicates that the only sin that damns us is unbelief.
TheslightestID
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Then you are saying the unforgivable sin damns all those who commit it to hell?
Is that the reason you are trying so hard to change the word of God, by stating the unforgivable sin as Jesus describes it, is not the unforgivable sin, but it is something you came up with instead?
I should probably ask you, have you ever blasphemed the Holy Spirit?
How would I? I have the Spirit. Can I blaspheme the One who lives in me?
If it's unforgivable in this life and the next, the person who commits it can never be saved. That's obvious.
And the only sin that does that is unbelief.
TheslightestID
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How would you? By your blaspeming against the holy spirit of course. Can you? Jesus never once even hinted we who have the holy spirit cannot blasphem the holy spirit, and anyone who does claim that, has made it up.
As I've said before, unbelief is not unforgivable, just stop unbelieving and move on. Blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin...as Jesus said, all other sin can be forgiven or are you saying Jesus was wrong?
These clowns that you are listening to are telling you Jesus is wrong on what he said the unfiirgivable sin was, but it seems you cannot see something so obvious because you are so far taken in by them, exactly what hapoens when you believe man over Gods word.
They really have you confused.
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It should be clear that if anyone hears Jesus' words and believes on Him who sent Him, they shall not come into condemnation and have passed from death unto everlasting life (John 5:24 (kjv)).
If anyone commits the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, they are subject to everlasting condemnation.
How then, can anyone who has received the first promise, commit the unpardonable sin?
It would be true of them that both, they shall not come into condemnation, and that they are subject to everlasting condemnation.
This is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled if those who have received the first promise can blaspheme the Holy Ghost.
If anyone commits the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, they are subject to everlasting condemnation.
How then, can anyone who has received the first promise, commit the unpardonable sin?
It would be true of them that both, they shall not come into condemnation, and that they are subject to everlasting condemnation.
This is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled if those who have received the first promise can blaspheme the Holy Ghost.
TheslightestID
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There is no contridiction at all, unless one buys into the false prophecy of OSAS. Also, if one teaches easy way salvation, there is good chance they are lost anyway for teaching a very dangerous, untrue way to heaven, or a prophecy of the devil, designed to lull many to sleep and cause them to think they can have their cake and eat it too.
Teaching a false gospel is not a good idea.
OSAS is a design of Satan himself, for the purpose of fooling many into a false salvation, causing them to lose their place in the kingdom of God...don't buy into it.
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OSAS is indeed of the devil....however, POTS is not.
John 5:24 (kjv) is a clear scripture that teaches POTS...that if I hear the words of Jesus and believe on Him who sent Him, I shall not come into condemnation but have passed from death into everlasting life.
Faith being an attitude that is conducive towards obedience...wherein a person with genuine faith has Jesus not only as their Saviour; but as their Lord.
The one who does the will of God abideth (sinneth not, 1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17)...
This is the epitome of what POTS is all about.
Whereas a similar doctrine, OSAS, which teaches that one can go forward at a Crusade or church service and then go and live like hell and they cannot lose their salvation no matter what their behaviour; is not the truth. For one thing, if a person lives like hell after "going forward" chances are that their "going forward" didn't save them. For, you shall know them by their fruits.
But if you become a saint and then continue in His goodness (Romans 11:20-22) because of His indwelling and sealing Holy Spirit; and if you persevere in holiness because you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit; this is what POTS is all about.
OSAS: Once Saved Always Saved
POTS: Perseverance Of The Saints.
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Ferris Bueller
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Right. The important point being the blasphemer is choosing to reject Jesus in the face of the irrefutable proof and conviction of the Spirit that Christ is indeed who he says he is. That's way different than the person who knows about Christ, but not through the voice of the Holy Spirit in their heart. They are only rejecting words. But the blasphemer of the Spirit is rejecting the very testimony of the Holy Spirit Himself.
Ronald David Bruno
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Attributing the power of God as being from Satan. The Pharisees claimed Jesus was healing by the power of Satan. They claime they knew God, they were well versed and studies scripture, the Law and Prophets and you would think they would recognize God when He arrived. They balsphemed the Holy Spirit. Actually Jesus later condemned them.
What clowns? It's the only way that the verse makes sense.
Permanent Unbelief is not forgiven.
TheslightestID
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The clowns who teach that nonsense.
Unless you are telling me you came up with your take on this all by yourself?
Hmmm, unlike the clowns that teach that a baby who can not even understand his own name yet is saved by dipping him or sprinkling him with water? I read stuff from a lot of different sources but make up my own mind.
TheslightestID
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How does that have anything at all to do with this conversation?
You didn't answer, did you come up with your take on this on your own or not?
What does blasphemy of the Holy Spirit or against the Holy Spirit mean?
In my view, the sin of blasphemy against/of the Holy Spirit could only be possibly committed by one with knowledge that the Holy Spirit is God, the one true God, in whom is no evil and from whom all good things and righteousness comes, or that the Holy Spirit is of God, or from God. Such a one is guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when in spite of such, he knowingly and willfully speaks of the Holy Spirit as being evil and/or speaks of the works of the Holy Spirit as being evil and of the devil, making God to be evil, even the devil. Now, in addition to that, in my view, such sin is a continuing one, and continuing to the point that he can not be brought to repentance regarding it, as such, without forgiveness.
Tong
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In my view, the sin of blasphemy against/of the Holy Spirit could only be possibly committed by one with knowledge that the Holy Spirit is God, the one true God, in whom is no evil and from whom all good things and righteousness comes, or that the Holy Spirit is of God, or from God. Such a one is guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when in spite of such, he knowingly and willfully speaks of the Holy Spirit as being evil and/or speaks of the works of the Holy Spirit as being evil and of the devil, making God to be evil, even the devil. Now, in addition to that, in my view, such sin is a continuing one, and continuing to the point that he can not be brought to repentance regarding it, as such, without forgiveness.
Tong
R1374
It can be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when He begins to convict you of sin, and righteousness, and judgment; and you discount the latter thing as being the condemnation of the devil; so you do not turn to Christ in repentance and seek Him for mercy.
TheslightestID
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Exactly. you had to be told, and you didn't simply read what Christ said it was, and go by that simple explanation of the bible. Instead you decided to go with a creation of men designed to get rid of the true meaning because they didnt like its ramifications.
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