Renniks
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Well, all you have is a claim with no proof to back it up, so...That is evidences they are saved. Lost folk can't believe and do things like that.
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Well, all you have is a claim with no proof to back it up, so...That is evidences they are saved. Lost folk can't believe and do things like that.
Jesus Christ saves from unbeiief/sin!
This thread and the points I make are proof, not that you receive it, thats not on me !Well, all you have is a claim with no proof to back it up, so...
You cant get around it, Jesus saves from unbelief !You must place your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved.
I haven't seen any such points. You have thus far avoided scripture.This thread and the points I make are proof, not that you receive it, thats not on me !
I don't like to share my opinion about once saved always saved. It distracts from what's really important—making sure you're really saved.Questions for all:
1) is it possible for a genuine born again Christian to genuinely reject the gospel?
2) is it possible for a genuine born again Christian to genuinely reject the gospel and then genuinely repent towards Christ again?
He exhorts you to have faith in Him which is a choice that is made by every man whether to believe or not believe (Joshua 24:15, John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Revelation 22:17)You cant get around it, Jesus saves from unbelief !
May I ask, Whom does he exhorts?He exhorts you to have faith in Him which is a choice that is made by every man whether to believe or not believe (Joshua 24:15, John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Revelation 22:17)
I understand. No problem.I don't like to share my opinion about once saved always saved. It distracts from what's really important—making sure you're really saved.
Jesus saves man by grace and man is saved by Jesus through faith ~ Salvation is by grace through faith.Jesus saves by Grace, not by faith. Faith is the result of having been saved.
Every man that is privy to understanding His gospel.May I ask, Whom does he exhorts?
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R1432
Yes salvation is by grace, through faith.By grace through faith. Faith comes before salvation.
Here’s grace for your consideration.If we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, then we have faith before we have grace.
It is a very simple deduction.
So, we do not have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand?Here’s grace for your consideration.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
@Renniks
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R1436
The Christian have, but not others. Is that not what we understand in Romans 5:1-2?So, we do not have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand?
Others can gain access into the grace that we have in Christ if they place their faith in Him.The Christian have, but not others. Is that not what we understand in Romans 5:1-2?
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R1437
That is even an IF. But as a better response, I would still refer you to the truth in Romans 5:8.Others can gain access into the grace that we have in Christ if they place their faith in Him.
Jesus saves unbelievers, He gives them faith and repentance when He saves them.He exhorts you to have faith in Him which is a choice that is made by every man whether to believe or not believe (Joshua 24:15, John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Revelation 22:17)
When Jesus saves by Grace, faith is given at that time.Jesus saves man by grace and man is saved by Jesus through faith ~ Salvation is by grace through faith.
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