Jesus saves unbelievers !

[Renniks]

That is evidences they are saved. Lost folk can't believe and do things like that.

Well, all you have is a claim with no proof to back it up, so...

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus Christ saves from unbeiief/sin!

You must place your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Well, all you have is a claim with no proof to back it up, so...

This thread and the points I make are proof, not that you receive it, thats not on me !

 

[brightfame52]

You must place your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved.

You cant get around it, Jesus saves from unbelief !

 

[Renniks]

This thread and the points I make are proof, not that you receive it, thats not on me !

I haven't seen any such points. You have thus far avoided scripture.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Questions for all:

1) is it possible for a genuine born again Christian to genuinely reject the gospel?

2) is it possible for a genuine born again Christian to genuinely reject the gospel and then genuinely repent towards Christ again?

I don't like to share my opinion about once saved always saved. It distracts from what's really important—making sure you're really saved.

 

[Stuart]

I guess it depends on how they feel in their own hearts towards God, they are the only ones who can answer that, maybe they should pray for guidance and/or wisdom, pray for spiritual healing and intervention, pray that their heart may come to cChrist as fully as it was whne they had been saved.

 

[justbyfaith]

You cant get around it, Jesus saves from unbelief !

He exhorts you to have faith in Him which is a choice that is made by every man whether to believe or not believe (Joshua 24:15, John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Revelation 22:17)

 

[Tong2020]

He exhorts you to have faith in Him which is a choice that is made by every man whether to believe or not believe (Joshua 24:15, John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Revelation 22:17)

May I ask, Whom does he exhorts?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

I don't like to share my opinion about once saved always saved. It distracts from what's really important—making sure you're really saved.

I understand. No problem.

Making your election sure it is ...

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Jesus saves by Grace, not by faith. Faith is the result of having been saved.

Jesus saves man by grace and man is saved by Jesus through faith ~ Salvation is by grace through faith.

Tong
R1434

 

[justbyfaith]

May I ask, Whom does he exhorts?

Tong
R1432

Every man that is privy to understanding His gospel.

 

[Tong2020]

By grace through faith. Faith comes before salvation.

Yes salvation is by grace, through faith.

Jesus saves man by grace and man is saved through faith.

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[Tong2020]

If we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, then we have faith before we have grace.

It is a very simple deduction.

Here’s grace for your consideration.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

@Renniks

Tong
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[justbyfaith]

Here’s grace for your consideration.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

@Renniks

Tong
R1436

So, we do not have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand?

 

[Tong2020]

So, we do not have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand?

The Christian have, but not others. Is that not what we understand in Romans 5:1-2?

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[justbyfaith]

The Christian have, but not others. Is that not what we understand in Romans 5:1-2?

Tong
R1437

Others can gain access into the grace that we have in Christ if they place their faith in Him.

 

[Tong2020]

Others can gain access into the grace that we have in Christ if they place their faith in Him.

That is even an IF. But as a better response, I would still refer you to the truth in Romans 5:8.

I haven’t heard you comment on the truth in Romans 5:8. What can you say?

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[brightfame52]

He exhorts you to have faith in Him which is a choice that is made by every man whether to believe or not believe (Joshua 24:15, John 1:12, Revelation 3:20, Revelation 22:17)

Jesus saves unbelievers, He gives them faith and repentance when He saves them.

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus saves man by grace and man is saved by Jesus through faith ~ Salvation is by grace through faith.

Tong
R1434

When Jesus saves by Grace, faith is given at that time.