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I read this lesson, and wanted to share this with more believers. I have heard that God loves everyone. Hopefully this lesson will give light to those that believe God loves everyone!!!
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Does God Love Everyone?

Christendom repeatedly say things like, “God loves us all so much that He will save us all”; or “He hates the sin, but loves the sinner”; or "God is love, and will not send anyone to hell.” Christendom teaches that God is so full of love, and that He simply cannot send anyone to eternal hell fire. It is against His infinite love. They want God to forgive all, even those who openly reject Him and die cursing God. I must admit, it is nice to think of God's love being so infinitely great that all will ultimately be saved. The Lake of Fire (Hell) is a terrible place and I don't want anyone to go there, but it does not matter what I think. All that matters is what the Bible says. God is love: (1John:4:8), but God also punishes the sinner and hates all who do iniquity. God is not one sided. He is not simply an infinitely loving God. He is also infinitely just. He must deal with sin. He must punish the sinner. He cannot lie: (Titus1:2) “which God, that cannot lie,” In the truth of God's word, we find that the Lord has provided one way by which we may be saved. That single way is through Jesus' sacrifice. For all who trust in Him, and do His commandments, salvation will come. But to those who turn away, God's wrath abides upon them: (John 3:36) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.
(Psalm 5:5) The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
(Psalm11:5) The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
(Lev.20:23) “Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.” (Prov 6:16-19) (v.16) These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him (v.17) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,(v.18) An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,(v.19) A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
(Hosea 9:15) All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, he does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart! It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart which is the mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. (Is.26:21) “For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:” Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. Remember that: (Num.23:19) “God is not a man, that he should lie;”
God's Law is Perfect
When God said, (Gen 1:3) “Let there be light,” it happened. When He commanded that the oceans be, they came into existence. God's word is powerful. What He says is never futile, empty, or without power. The Law is a reflection of God's character. It is pure: (Pro.30:5) “Every word of God is pure:” and perfect: (Psalm 19:7) “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:” It is powerful: (Heb 4:12) “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword,” The Ten Commandments reflect God's holiness and justice. These commandments are not without punishments. A law without consequences is only an empty slogan. To sin is to break God's Law- (1John 3:4) “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law” - and offend His character. To sin means to challenge His character and authority. It means you go against His word. Keep in mind, (He.6:18) “it was impossible for God to lie,” His word is true. (Is 55:11) “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it”. He has said it, and it will be accomplished. But, praise be to God, (Rom.5:6) “in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” There is no way we can be clean before God. That is why God became one of us (John 1:1,14; Heb.2:17), to take our place and become sin on our behalf (2 Cor.5:21). Therefore, people have two options: Trust Jesus, God in flesh, as your savior and put your faith in the sacrifice that He made on the cross and in nothing you do.
Reject Jesus and the sacrifice that He made and let the penalty of the Law fall upon you. Either God pays or you do, forever. Which will it be? (Heb 10:26) “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins”. If there is no sacrifice available for you, then God's wrath abides upon you because He hates sin and your sin is not removed (John 3:36). Trust Jesus alone or the wrath of God will abide upon you forever. The sobering fact is that God is so holy and righteous that He hates the sinner (Psalm 5:5, Lev.20:23, Prov.6:16-19, Hos.9:15). Some may say that we should say that God only hates the sin, but loves the sinner. But the above scriptures speak contrary to that. (Pro.8:17) “I love them that love me;” (John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
It is better to accept the love of God found in Jesus than to reject it and suffer His wrath. I believe therefore I speak. Always remember that there is peace in Jesus. May the Lord God give skill and understanding to all who truly seek the truth.
In Jesus name, A-MEN.

This lesson was to enlighten other believers, just as I've been enlighten by the teaching and teachers from this website.....May the Lord have a blessing to the reading and doing of his word.
In Jesus name AMEN!!!!!
 
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I read this lesson, and wanted to share this with more believers. I have heard that God loves everyone. Hopefully this lesson will give light to those that believe God loves everyone!!!
http://www.theisraelofgod.com
The Israel of God Bible Study Class
2515 E. 75th Street
Chicago, IL 60649
(773) 374-6413 or (800) 96-BIBLE

Does God Love Everyone?

Christendom repeatedly say things like, “God loves us all so much that He will save us all”; or “He hates the sin, but loves the sinner”; or "God is love, and will not send anyone to hell.” Christendom teaches that God is so full of love, and that He simply cannot send anyone to eternal hell fire. It is against His infinite love. They want God to forgive all, even those who openly reject Him and die cursing God. I must admit, it is nice to think of God's love being so infinitely great that all will ultimately be saved. The Lake of Fire (Hell) is a terrible place and I don't want anyone to go there, but it does not matter what I think. All that matters is what the Bible says. God is love: (1John:4:8), but God also punishes the sinner and hates all who do iniquity. God is not one sided. He is not simply an infinitely loving God. He is also infinitely just. He must deal with sin. He must punish the sinner. He cannot lie: (Titus1:2) “which God, that cannot lie,” In the truth of God's word, we find that the Lord has provided one way by which we may be saved. That single way is through Jesus' sacrifice. For all who trust in Him, and do His commandments, salvation will come. But to those who turn away, God's wrath abides upon them: (John 3:36) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.
(Psalm 5:5) The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
(Psalm11:5) The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
(Lev.20:23) “Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.” (Prov 6:16-19) (v.16) These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him (v.17) A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,(v.18) An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,(v.19) A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
(Hosea 9:15) All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, he does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart! It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart which is the mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. (Is.26:21) “For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:” Why? Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God. God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. Remember that: (Num.23:19) “God is not a man, that he should lie;”
God's Law is Perfect
When God said, (Gen 1:3) “Let there be light,” it happened. When He commanded that the oceans be, they came into existence. God's word is powerful. What He says is never futile, empty, or without power. The Law is a reflection of God's character. It is pure: (Pro.30:5) “Every word of God is pure:” and perfect: (Psalm 19:7) “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:” It is powerful: (Heb 4:12) “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword,” The Ten Commandments reflect God's holiness and justice. These commandments are not without punishments. A law without consequences is only an empty slogan. To sin is to break God's Law- (1John 3:4) “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law” - and offend His character. To sin means to challenge His character and authority. It means you go against His word. Keep in mind, (He.6:18) “it was impossible for God to lie,” His word is true. (Is 55:11) “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it”. He has said it, and it will be accomplished. But, praise be to God, (Rom.5:6) “in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” There is no way we can be clean before God. That is why God became one of us (John 1:1,14; Heb.2:17), to take our place and become sin on our behalf (2 Cor.5:21). Therefore, people have two options: Trust Jesus, God in flesh, as your savior and put your faith in the sacrifice that He made on the cross and in nothing you do.
Reject Jesus and the sacrifice that He made and let the penalty of the Law fall upon you. Either God pays or you do, forever. Which will it be? (Heb 10:26) “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins”. If there is no sacrifice available for you, then God's wrath abides upon you because He hates sin and your sin is not removed (John 3:36). Trust Jesus alone or the wrath of God will abide upon you forever. The sobering fact is that God is so holy and righteous that He hates the sinner (Psalm 5:5, Lev.20:23, Prov.6:16-19, Hos.9:15). Some may say that we should say that God only hates the sin, but loves the sinner. But the above scriptures speak contrary to that. (Pro.8:17) “I love them that love me;” (John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
It is better to accept the love of God found in Jesus than to reject it and suffer His wrath. I believe therefore I speak. Always remember that there is peace in Jesus. May the Lord God give skill and understanding to all who truly seek the truth.
In Jesus name, A-MEN.

This lesson was to enlighten other believers, just as I've been enlighten by the teaching and teachers from this website.....May the Lord have a blessing to the reading and doing of his word.
In Jesus name AMEN!!!!!

Yes, God loves everyone...I have witnessed to many and they appreciate it.
 

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Yes, God loves everyone...I have witnessed to many and they appreciate it.

Herald did you even read the post? It is apparent through the scriptures that He hates the wicked, the sinners!!! Those who choose to live a sinful lifestyle!!!!Those that si intentionally.
 

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He loves them, and hates their sins.
ForgivenWretch how can He love them, and hate their sin, when they are the ones who commit the sin. In the gospel of Matthew. The Lord stated Matthew 7:[sup]23[/sup]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He clearly says depart from me YE THAT WORK INIQUITY!!! Is He going to send those away from Him that He loves?
 

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ForgivenWretch how can He loves someone who commits sin. In the gospel of Matthew. The Lord stated Matthew 7:[sup]23[/sup]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He clearly says depart from me YE THAT WORK INIQUITY!!! Is He going to send those away from Him that He loves?


Timing, it's about knowing how to "Rightly Divide" the Word of God.
 

Xanderoc

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Timing, it's about knowing how to "Rightly Divide" the Word of God.
The Lord died so that everyone can have the chance to make it in the kingdom. My point here was that if the Lord loves everyone like most believe. Why would He send people away from Him in judgment. Hence putting them in the lake of fire. If you read the original post, the scripture clearly state, He hates those who commit sin intentionally. So I don't understand your point on the "rightly divide" remark.
 

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Xander, do you believe that Christ only died for some of the world and not the whole?

Christ died for the whole world. But the whole world will not except His sacrifice. So does He love those who don't except His sacrifice. Do you believe His love is without condition?
(Hosea 9:15) All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters
He said He will love them no more!!!! His love is not unconditional.
 

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You are right If you continue the premises that God love everyone you may find yourself soon believing that God will save everyone.
Thats the new age religion, Preached by Opera, straight out of the book, A Course in Miracles.
God loves everyone and all paths lead to God. We are all created from God and God can not, will not, separate or deny any part of Himself My first reply to people with statements like that is, God must be suffering from sever skitsofrenia, definition, having to think,work,act in multiple different ways to achieve the same goal or objective, because one character has a certain set of abilities different from the other, that they each exell at.

Now ask yourself Does the Holy Spirit dwell in all men? Ever wonder HOW the Angels will discern the save from the unsaved?
My understanding of the Holy Spirit in men is like a string that runs threw every saved christian. When God pulls the string we all come along for the ride. Like fishing.Some day Gods going to land us all, right in His boat right at His feet.:D

2 Peter 3-9
But He bears patiently with you, His desire being that no one should perish but that all should come to repentance. World English Bible

but its not the reality that all are loved

Mathew 12-31
Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to ... but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven to men

Lets just say resisting being added to Gods fishing line ;) is not a good thing.
 

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Christ died for the whole world. But the whole world will not except His sacrifice. So does He love those who don't except His sacrifice. Do you believe His love is without condition?
(Hosea 9:15) All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters
He said He will love them no more!!!! His love is not unconditional.

Later the scriptures tell us that God so loved the world. Do you believe that Jesus died for those He does not love?
I believe that everyone will eventually accept, acknowledge and embrace what Christ did on the cross just as the scriptures declare.
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He loves them, and hates their sins.

That expression is nowhere in the Bible.

Not only does God hate the sinner, but He promises to laugh at them when judgment comes.
Denial of the wrath of God is a hallmark of the sins and foolishness of the modern day.

"How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? And scoffers delight them in scoffing, And fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: Behold, I will pour out my spirit upon you; I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye have refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man hath regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, And would none of my reproof:


I also will laugh in the day of your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as a storm, And your calamity cometh on as a whirlwind; When distress and anguish come upon you. Then will they call upon me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me:


For that they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of Jehovah:
They would none of my counsel; They despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own devices.
For the backsliding of the simple shall slay them, And the careless ease of fools shall destroy them.
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell securely, And shall be quiet without fear of evil."


Pro 1:22-33

see also Psalms 2:4, Psalms 37:12 & 13 and Psalms 59:5-8 for more.

Our Lord offers reconcilation by way of the blood of Jesus Christ. Those who do not surrender to His offer of peace do so at great peril. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.
 

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ForgivenWretch how can He love them, and hate their sin, when they are the ones who commit the sin. In the gospel of Matthew. The Lord stated Matthew 7:[sup]23[/sup]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He clearly says depart from me YE THAT WORK INIQUITY!!! Is He going to send those away from Him that He loves?
Because He is God!

That expression is nowhere in the Bible.

Not only does God hate the sinner, but He promises to laugh at them when judgment comes.
Denial of the wrath of God is a hallmark of the sins and foolishness of the modern day.

"How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? And scoffers delight them in scoffing, And fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: Behold, I will pour out my spirit upon you; I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye have refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man hath regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, And would none of my reproof:


I also will laugh in the day of your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as a storm, And your calamity cometh on as a whirlwind; When distress and anguish come upon you. Then will they call upon me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me:


For that they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of Jehovah:
They would none of my counsel; They despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own devices.
For the backsliding of the simple shall slay them, And the careless ease of fools shall destroy them.
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell securely, And shall be quiet without fear of evil."


Pro 1:22-33

see also Psalms 2:4, Psalms 37:12 & 13 and Psalms 59:5-8 for more.

Our Lord offers reconcilation by way of the blood of Jesus Christ. Those who do not surrender to His offer of peace do so at great peril. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.
Then I guess John 3:16 means nothing???
 

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That expression is nowhere in the Bible.

Not only does God hate the sinner, but He promises to laugh at them when judgment comes.
Denial of the wrath of God is a hallmark of the sins and foolishness of the modern day.

"How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? And scoffers delight them in scoffing, And fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: Behold, I will pour out my spirit upon you; I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye have refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man hath regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, And would none of my reproof:


I also will laugh in the day of your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as a storm, And your calamity cometh on as a whirlwind; When distress and anguish come upon you. Then will they call upon me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they shall not find me:


For that they hated knowledge, And did not choose the fear of Jehovah:
They would none of my counsel; They despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, And be filled with their own devices.
For the backsliding of the simple shall slay them, And the careless ease of fools shall destroy them.
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell securely, And shall be quiet without fear of evil."


Pro 1:22-33

see also Psalms 2:4, Psalms 37:12 & 13 and Psalms 59:5-8 for more.

Our Lord offers reconcilation by way of the blood of Jesus Christ. Those who do not surrender to His offer of peace do so at great peril. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.

In the scriptures you posted I cannot find "sinners", are you sure that is who this was directed towards? I thought it was directed towards Israel and is something that had already happened.
 

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Because He is God!
He is God, and He doesn't change!!! If He said He hates the sinner and the wicked, well then, that's exactly who He hates. It doesn't matter what you, and I think. It is what the bible say's that matter. NO ONES PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES WILL CHANGE WHO GOD IS!!!!!
 

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He is God, and He doesn't change!!! If He said He hates the sinner and the wicked, well then, that's exactly who He hates. It doesn't matter what you, and I think. It is what the bible say's that matter. NO ONES PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES WILL CHANGE WHO GOD IS!!!!!

Yes indeed, I agree that no ones personal interpretation of the scriptures will change God and it includes the opinion of the KJV translators as well.
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In the scriptures you posted I cannot find "sinners", are you sure that is who this was directed towards? I thought it was directed towards Israel and is something that had already happened.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Hebrews 10:26-31

The object of love (man) is not more important than righteousness.
It is not that God is on our side, but that we are called to be on God's side.
Unless we surrender to Him we shall surely suffer judgment.

The problem that remains is that man refuses to admit to the eternal consequences of sin.
 

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I read your initial post and it seems like the news that God may not love everyone really excites you - is this true?

It also seems to me that the entire Bible is a testament to God's love for humanity. He started out loving A&E, and still loved them when they screwed up. After He was forgotten by humanity, He blessed Abram and saved Issac. He gave Moses the law out of love for His people, as a first step to reconciling us to Him. As time past, people began over identifying with the law and externalizing it, rather than writing it on their hearts and God went ahead with step two - sending His Son to die for the whole world.

The condemnation from God in the OT is not towards individual sinners, it is directed at sin, itself. The biggest problem God faced with His people in the OT was their unfaithfulness. He had a simple message for them, which was the declaration of His omnipotence and a requirement that they internalize their understanding of Him and His laws. Being faithful never included being sinless; God merely wanted His people to demonstrate forgiveness with a contrite spirit and through sacrifice, along with a willingness to turn from their sin. God hated it when sinners refused these requirements or simply gave him empty sacrifices to appease Him, but this was a generalized anger.

By the time Jesus came to die for the whole world, the Pharisees had made an industry out of their religion - it was more of a university that produced religious scholars than a house of worship. They offered the people a sterilized, academic, liturgical, ritualistic response towards God, without any need for a contrite heart. Jesus confronted all of this externalized ritual and over identification with empty dogma and liturgy - He was angry with the system. Yet, He was still concerned with the heart of humanity - He died for all of us.

Now, are some people going to Hell - yep. But it will not be because God wants it to happen. Some people will not be able to stop over identifying with the Bible, dogma, liturgy, blah, blah, blah in order to be vulnerable / humble enough to let God sanctify their hearts with love. Unless we allow Him to love through us - allowing us to love God and neighbor, are hearts will remain hard and we will be left in isolation for eternity - Hell.

So the answer is not to memorize as much of the Bible as possible or to go to church as much as you can or to over identify with your religion (using the word Jesus every five minutes, praying a thousand times a day or otherwise wrapping your whole identity into being a Christian), rather it is to start praying for transformation through sanctification and get out there and start practicing love with a humble, vulnerable heart.

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I read your initial post and it seems like the news that God may not love everyone really excites you - is this true?

It also seems to me that the entire Bible is a testament to God's love for humanity. He started out loving A&E, and still loved them when they screwed up. After He was forgotten by humanity, He blessed Abram and saved Issac. He gave Moses the law out of love for His people, as a first step to reconciling us to Him. As time past, people began over identifying with the law and externalizing it, rather than writing it on their hearts and God went ahead with step two - sending His Son to die for the whole world.

The condemnation from God in the OT is not towards individual sinners, it is directed at sin, itself. The biggest problem God faced with His people in the OT was their unfaithfulness. He had a simple message for them, which was the declaration of His omnipotence and a requirement that they internalize their understanding of Him and His laws. Being faithful never included being sinless; God merely wanted His people to demonstrate forgiveness with a contrite spirit and through sacrifice, along with a willingness to turn from their sin. God hated it when sinners refused these requirements or simply gave him empty sacrifices to appease Him, but this was a generalized anger.

By the time Jesus came to die for the whole world, the Pharisees had made an industry out of their religion - it was more of a university that produced religious scholars than a house of worship. They offered the people a sterilized, academic, liturgical, ritualistic response towards God, without any need for a contrite heart. Jesus confronted all of this externalized ritual and over identification with empty dogma and liturgy - He was angry with the system. Yet, He was still concerned with the heart of humanity - He died for all of us.

Now, are some people going to Hell - yep. But it will not be because God wants it to happen. Some people will not be able to stop over identifying with the Bible, dogma, liturgy, blah, blah, blah in order to be vulnerable / humble enough to let God sanctify their hearts with love. Unless we allow Him to love through us - allowing us to love God and neighbor, are hearts will remain hard and we will be left in isolation for eternity - Hell.

So the answer is not to memorize as much of the Bible as possible or to go to church as much as you can or to over identify with your religion (using the word Jesus every five minutes, praying a thousand times a day or otherwise wrapping your whole identity into being a Christian), rather it is to start praying for transformation through sanctification and get out there and start practicing love with a humble, vulnerable heart.

Peace
Aspen to answer your first question. It's NO! I don't get excited about people being sent to the lake of fire. My wish would be for everyone to turn to the Lord, and accept Jesus. The world would be a better place. It truly saddens me that people will not turn in repentance. I have family members who won't accept Jesus, who don't even believe in Him. So I'm greatly sadden by that notion. People need to know there is a punishment a waiting the sinner. By telling someone God loves everyone gives a false sense of security. Yes I agree with God's message of love, but I also believe God's message about His wrath, that will be bestowed on this earth. If people don't understand the consequences of their actions, how would they turn from them. Everyone speaks of God's love, but no one wants to speak on His wrath. God's love is conditional. If you repent and do what He says, He loves you. If your disobedient, and will not repent, He hates you. If you had a child; you will love that child with conditions. You love your child because that child came from you. But if the child grew up, and decided to disrespect you every chance he got, by cursing you, slapping you, stealing from you, murdering someone you loved......ect... You will no longer love that child. There is no love with out condition. I agree God want no one to burn forever...but that is an individual decision we all have to make. I also agree with your last statement."rather it is to start praying for transformation through sanctification and get out there and start practicing love with a humble, vulnerable heart".