Surf Rider said:
We have all sorts of believers that don't believe the bible: they selectively pick and choose what seems right to them. Even homosexual "Christians". Even adulterous "Christians".
Even liars? Even Christians who lust in their hearts? Even prideful Christians who believe that only their interpretations of scripture are accurate?
Look at the fruit of Christendom: it has the same moral statistics as the damned. Only a spiritual fool would believe that their beliefs are correct, when they have the same statistics as the damned. They are right in their own eyes, blind leaders of the blind, believing what is right in their own eyes, even though the proof of their errant beliefs is staring them and the whole world in the face. Only a stiff necked and rebellious people would persist in their beliefs that negate so many verses.
Yep. The Church is full of sinners in the process of being justified and sanctified through the work of the Holy Spirit - AMEN! Your message of contempt for the people of God Surf, is tired and wreaks of pride.
After the second admonish, know for a fact that they are warped and twisted, the scriptures state, xander. From such, turn aside, knowing that bad company corrupts good character. If they will not listen to the scriptures, they obviously don't listen to the Spirit, no matter what they say to the contrary: you cannot get salt and fresh from the same well. But they don't believe that one, either. Why they bother to state that they believe any of the bible is just crazy.
Well, consider this your second admonition, brother - I am taking your advice.
Peace
I am not your brother.
They selectively pick and choose, negating many scriptures
People use John 3:16 to negate these other verses. Yes, God loved the world, but that cannot be taken to contradict and thus annul and make these other verses to be lies or myths. Therefore, John 3:16 is misunderstood. We must use other scriptures to clarify John 3:16. "God demonstrated his love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Rom. 5:8) For who? Us. Us who? "As to the nations who believe,...." (Acts 21:25) "And for this cause we thank God without ceasing, that when you received the word of hearing, of God, you welcomed it as the word of God, not as a word of men, but as it is, the word of God, which also effectually works in you who believe." (1 Thes. 2:13) "And He has made you alive, who were once dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience; among whom we also had our way of life in times past, in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us (even when we were dead in sins) has made us alive together with Christ (by grace you are saved), and has raised us up together and made us sit together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
(Eph 2:10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them." (Eph. 2:1-10) So we see that it is those who are in Christ that God has loved and separated unto Himself. There is much scripture that states this truth. "And He searching the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers. But whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, those He also justified. And whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?" (Rom. 8:27-31) It is those who God foreknew that are called and made pure, that He has love from before the foundations of the world. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies in Christ; according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, in which He has made us accepted in the One having been loved." (Eph. 1:3-6) That states it right there: it is those who are foreknown in Christ who God has loved. And "we love Him, because He first loved us." But look at more of that passage, and it clearly teaches this truth: "And we have known and believed the love that God has in us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. In this is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, that as He is, so also we are in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has torment. He who fears has not been perfected in love. We love Him because He first loved us." (1 John 4:16-19) "For we who have believed do enter into the rest, as He said, "I have sworn in My wrath that they should not enter into My rest;" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world." (Heb. 4:3) This verse states it very clearly. 1 Peter 1 and Revelation 13:8 and 17:8 all teach this truth quite clearly.
But you won't believe these, either. The people perish for lack of understanding. There is a famine of knowing God's word, and a famine of believing all of it.
The proof is staring us in the face, but it is so much easier to insult those who live victoriously in their actions and thoughts, than to admit personal failings, isn't it? Chistendom doesn't come close to measuring up to the statements of the scriptures for victory in thoughts and speech and actions for those who are born of God, so they state that everyone who says that they have victory is a liar. Just because you are wicked Aspen, doesn't mean that I am. Just because you don't have victory in your thoughts, doesn't mean that I don't. And just because you are this way, doesn't mean that you can ignore the scritpures that state that those who know God cannot be like you are.
It is hard to find a more complete example of being doubleminded than your posts, Aspen. You are victorious, but at the same time wicked and sinful. Novel. You don't even believe that a person can have the mind of Christ, even though the scriptures state that those born of God have the mind of Christ. There is just so much scripture that you state is not true, why you bother to state that you believe any of it is just crazy. By very definition of the word in the dictionary, you are the epitome of hypocrite. Sorry, not trying to be mean or rude, but that's the dictionary definition, and you have provided ample posts that prove it, ample posts that state that the scriptures are not true, that spiritual things and spiritual truth are determined by your own pathetic spiritual state. Sorry, but that's as backwards as it can ever get. God determines it all, and if you don't fall completely in line with Him and all that He states in His word, you are at enmity with Him. But you don't believe that, either. You are the perfect fulfillment of this (Tit 1:15) To the pure all things are pure. But to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled. (Tit 1:16) They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient and reprobate to every good work.
Repent.
