Hebrews 10:26-31

[BarneyFife]

Just read some of this, I'm planning to go back for a longer look.

I'm not sure that I go along with these stages as a general rule, but I can see how these patterns can present themselves. I feel like my life doesn't really show so much this progress in the overall, but I can see "mini-cycles" at various times in my life.

My first thought on this read is that I like how he gets into what our faith looks like, means to us, at different times of life. And pointing to some of the pitfalls in our thoughts we may encounter.

Much love!

I'm glad you liked it. The first time I read it, I immediately recognized familiar experiences. I'm definitely going through a "dark night of the soul" phase right now. The Covid restrictions on fellowship have been really hard on me (I'm really a Hebrews 10:25 kinda guy). I don't know how much of it you were able to read, but at some point, he does point out that there's a lot of flexibilty, overlap, and even different chronology for some people.

 

[BarneyFife]

If someone falls away because of temptation (Luke 8:13), they do not continue to have salvation.

In every varying degree of "falling away?"

 

[Tong2020]

I do no unnecessary work or work for purpose of gain from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
I got to church (when there's one open)
I do group activities (nature walks, fellowship meals, special Bible studies, special speaker presentations, witness to others of the rest that comes from knowing Christ).
I try to keep my mind on the deep things of God as opposed to Hollywood-type entertainment or secular activity.
I bask in God's love revealed in His word, in my heart, and in His creation.

It's not that hard to Google "how to keep the Sabbath."

Isaiah 58
13“Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Don’t pursue your own interests on that day,
but enjoy the Sabbath
and speak of it with delight as the LORD’s holy day.
Honor the Sabbath in everything you do on that day,
and don’t follow your own desires or talk idly.
14Then the LORD will be your delight.
I will give you great honor
and satisfy you with the inheritance I promised to your ancestor Jacob.

I, the LORD, have spoken!”

Firstly, I have to say, I see nothing in all that you say you do from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.

Exodus 20:10 seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

You, your children, your servants, your work animals, your stranger within your gates, are all to do no work. Do you fulfill that?

What work must not be done?

Does working without gain, not break the Sabbath? Does cooking your food not break the Sabbath?

Is eating the food cooked by those who don’t keep the Sabbath or those who profane the Sabbath or by unbelievers okay?

Exodus 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

What is done to those in your church who profanes the Sabbath?

Just curious.

Tong
R1605

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The fact is "your works"dont matter, not one bit, your wrks add not one dot to your salvation.

Works DO matter in salvation when the lack of works is the result and evidence of the absence of saving faith. So, when that is the case, works do very much matter! Ultimately, dead faith (faith that does not work) is NO faith.

People who have a dead faith, but who are taking false comfort from a convenient ear tickling 'works don't matter' theology need to 'make their calling and election sure' (the way the Bible says to do that) so they can know for sure if they are really saved or not and ready to stand before Jesus at the judgment when he returns.

 

[HisLife]

I'm laboring in the field and building of God (1 Corinthians 3:9).

You cant serve two Masters, And you Bring Another Gospel, You are Laboring But For who, You speak Bad about the Church And you always Deny Jesus Sacrifice was sufficient for all sin, What are you building and what are you trying to tear down

All the behaviors and attitudes and thoughts that result from the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) constitute the life lived for God.

That would be great if it was true, But is it?, Do you see Jesus in that verse, Without Jesus you can do nothing

 

[Tong2020]

Any righteous thought, action, and attitude motivated by the fruit of the Spirit.

Just as I thought you’d say.

2 Peter 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

What are the “these things” Peter referring to? Are they what you say there? Of you read the context, you’ll find out that the difference and find out that Peter was not referring to works to be done.

Tong
R1606

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Hebrews 6:1 "repentance from acts that lead to death"

The only “ act” that will lead to death is to reject the Gospel Of God’s Grace.....( 1Cor15:1-4 )

 

[HisLife]

No, I judge their love for me by how many of my rules they follow.

I do no unnecessary work or work for purpose of gain from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
I got to church (when there's one open)
I do group activities (nature walks, fellowship meals, special Bible studies, special speaker presentations, witness to others of the rest that comes from knowing Christ).
I try to keep my mind on the deep things of God as opposed to Hollywood-type entertainment or secular activity.
I bask in God's love revealed in His word, in my heart, and in His creation.

So You try Make it up as you Go, Sounds Honorable but its not What the Bible asks of you, So What happens to someone if they Don't Keep the Sabbath? Is that ok, should there be any punishment?

I don't mean to flood you with likes but you seem to be on a roll.

If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

Aw, shucks.

You need to be Careful Who you Side with there are strong warnings

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils

 

[Tong2020]

When you purposely choose to do a righteous work, or think a righteous thought, or hold a righteous attitude that's you choosing to submit to the Spirit. Call it God working in you, but it's still YOU submitting the members of your body in obedience to God. You just didn't do those things by your own power. And so it isn't 'you' in that sense only. You did it using the power God gave you to do it.

If one have submitted his will to God, what does that mean to you? Does it not mean that it is God’s will that will be done and not the man’s will? There goes the man’s will. So, if there is any good work done, don’t think that is coming from you or is you work. That is coming from God, and is His working in and through you. Those works were even prepared in advance for the Christian to do (Eph.:10). You can’t even call it God working in you, that it is God’s work, not yours?

The best example I could give you that demonstrates that, is no other than Jesus.

<<<You just didn't do those things by your own power. And so it isn't 'you' in that sense only. You did it using the power God gave you to do it.>>>

So, if it weren’t by your power, then they aren’t your works. You were just an instrument of God, so to speak.

Listen to what Paul have to say in this regard, “ for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.”

Who is at work, God or the Christian? Why does the Christian will to do God’s good purpose? Can you tell us?

Tong
R1607

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The only “ act” that will lead to death is to reject the Gospel Of God’s Grace.....( 1Cor15:1-4 )

All the acts of sin of the unbeliever is what condemns him to the lake of fire.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death...

Matthew 25:41-43
41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

Unbelief is the reason why the unbeliever has acts of sin that earn him a place in the lake of fire.

 

[BarneyFife]

So You try Make it up as you Go,

Not at all

So What happens to someone if they Don't Keep the Sabbath?

They forfeit the blessing of it.

Is that ok, should there be any punishment?

Not in this life. There is no Theocracy in place. In the judgment, people are judged according to their awareness and conviction. And no person is to speculate on the divine judgment of another.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

It’s a statement of fact....not a threat ....try reading in that way...
It’s NOT a call to return to the “ WEAK and USELESS” Law that can only “ Stir up Sin”
The Bible says God gave the Law so that “SIN MIGHT I N C R E A S E ! “
Why would Jesus promote more Sinning? Why would you ?

Here’s a hint.....Jesus left us with ONLY TWO Commandments —#1 BELIEVE #2 LOVE
The Law is burdensome.....Jesus said His Commandments were NOT “ Burdensome”.....and the ain’t, if you have the Holy Spirit in you ...
How do you get that “ Holy Spirit” in you ? Simple.See and admit that you are a Lost Sinner That MUST have a Savior ( only a CONTRITE Heart , which is a Gift Of God ,will bring you to “ that” Saving Insight ) then Turn to God ( the ONLY Type Of REPENTANCE that will Save you) with Faith in Jesus Christ......
Right there, you got the Whole Magilla —- it will make you fit for Heaven...#1 was the Conviction Of Sin by the Holy Spirit ( “ Nobody can come to God lest the Spirit draw him”..... that “ Drawing” is the Conviction in your heart that you are a Lost Sinner who needs a Savior ) #2 was the only actual type of “Repentance” That will SAVE you, which is Turning to God ( TURN to ME , and “ I” will Turn to you).The OTHER type of “ Repentance” which is the sorrow and guilt for Sin and the determination to “ do better” BECAUSE you are Saved, not in order to GET Saved , will occur in the Walk Of Faith because at the exact same instant that you receive your TOTAL FORGIVENESS for ALL SINS ,God also grants you a NEW HEART that takes the “ Fun” out of Sin and makes Sin Repulsive.....it is part of God’s Promise to “ TRANSFORM” you into the very Image Of His Son.Sometimes it can take a while.....it’s ALL God’s Doing.....
“ WE” can “ CHANGE” that Outer Man that your Church Buddies can see and nod their heads in approval of. Only GOD can “TRANSFORM”, that Inner Man , though.The ONUS for Behavior Changes, improvements in your Morality —- in other words, Good Fruit, etc ....yes , that Onus is upon God’s Mighty Shoulders —- just the Way He Wants it.
God will “ Finish the Good Work that HE started”, if you do things HIS Way .As Paul told us —you must Finish this Christian Walk the Same Way that you started it. FAITH.PLUS NOTHING . It’s just like the Song says, when you are talking about Salvation( and I am speaking of Salvation ONLY here) , it’s “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus”...... God Bless.....

 

[Tong2020]

The Gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:1-12
1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9) For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10) But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11) Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12) Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

There's the Good News! Resurrection!!

Much love!

If I were to describe the gospel in a name: Jesus Christ

Tong
R1608

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s a statement of fact....not a threat ....try reading in that way...

I am reading it that way.
Keeping Jesus' commandments is how you can tell if you love Jesus in a salvation experience. Why is this simple truth so hard for you to accept? How do you get a works gospel out of that?????

 

[BarneyFife]

You need to be Careful Who you Side with there are strong warnings

I do not subscribe to the "us and them" mentality.
In this world there are two kinds of people:

• Those who have experienced the love of God and aligned themselves with Him
• Those who have not, to whom I am indebted

I cannot distinguish between the two, because:

...man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)​

Outward appearances do not reveal the real motives of life, for ofttimes actions are misinterpreted.

I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. (Romans 1:14)​

 

[BarneyFife]

I am reading it that.
Keeping Jesus' commandments is how you can tell if you love Jesus in a salvation experience. Why is this simple truth so hard for you to accept? How do you get a works gospel out of that?????

I read the ten commandments that way.

It is interesting to note that the curses and judgments of ceremonial law spelled out penalties for transgression which were totally missing from the Ten Commandments. For this reason, the ceremonial law was considered to be a law which was “against” them. Even in the New Testament we read the same descriptive language in reference to that law. “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross” (Colossians 2:14).

Certainly there was nothing in the Ten-Commandment law that could be defined as “contrary” to Paul and the church to whom he was writing. It was not “against” those early Christians to refrain from adultery, theft, lying, etc. On the other hand, that moral law was a tremendous protection to them and favored every interest in their lives. We have only to read Paul’s exalted description of the Ten-Commandment law to recognize that those eternal principles were never blotted out or nailed to the cross. After quoting the tenth commandment of the decalogue in Romans 7:7, Paul wrote these words, “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good” (verse 12). Then he continued in verse 14, “For we know that the law is spiritual ...”

If the Ten-Commandment law had been blotted out at the cross, would Paul have spoken in such glowing language of its perfection and spirituality? He did not speak of a past law. He said, “the law IS holy ... the law IS spiritual.” In other words, it was very much alive and operating when Paul wrote to the Roman church. In contrast he described the handwriting of ordinances in the past tense: “WAS against us ... WAS contrary to us.” It is certain he was not speaking of the same law. One was present and one was past.

 

[marks]

I do not subscribe to the "us and them" mentality.
In this world there are two kinds of people:

• Those who have experienced the love of God and aligned themselves with Him
• Those who have not, to whom I am indebted

I cannot distinguish between the two, because:

...man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)​

Outward appearances do not reveal the real motives of life, for ofttimes actions are misinterpreted.

I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. (Romans 1:14)​

A good word!

 

[HisLife]

I do not subscribe to the "us and them" mentality.
In this world there are two kinds of people:

• Those who have experienced the love of God and aligned themselves with Him
• Those who have not, to whom I am indebted

I cannot distinguish between the two, because:

...man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)
Outward appearances do not reveal the real motives of life, for ofttimes actions are misinterpreted.

I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. (Romans 1:14)

That's Not really true for you tho is it, do you follow the Teachings Of Ellen G white or Accept her writings as authoritive, You align yourself with people the verses talk about

 

[BloodBought 1953]

]It's interesting how purposely living for God is considered a works gospel by the church these days.[/QUOTE]


If you think “ Living for God” is the “WAY” to be Saved, you are still Lost....unless you define “ Living for God” as Trusting in His Gospel ALONE and RESTING on the Finished Work Of Jesus on the Cross to save you ....” Repenting Of all of your Sins before you die , lest you be Damned” is a False, Perverted Addition to the Gospel Of Jesus Christ....despite the fact that it sounds” Holy” and despite how much it “ tickles your ears” to hear it.....

If you “ Live for God” because you “ ARE” Saved.....go to the Head Of the Class.....

So, my Worthy Foe.....which way do you believe?

 

[BarneyFife]

That's Not really true for you tho is it, do you follow the Teachings Of Ellen G white or Accept her writings as authoritive, You align yourself with people the verses talk about

Ah, and the knives come out. I can see where this is going, and I'm not playing the game. I believe the Bible alone is the rule of faith and practice.