Who founded your church?

[BreadOfLife]

All of Jerusalem knew back then like all the world knows who Trump is.

Really?

Sooooo, every BABY knew about Jesus and was upset?
Every BABY knows who Trump is?

Thank you for illustrating just how pathetic your grasp of Scripture is . . .

 

[Renniks]

Try to be reasonable and not fundamentalist
The church determines who is teaching and I mean teaching not just believing error, and they can be corrected if they refuse they must be handed over the the state to execute justice unlike the 1000s of Catholic who where persecuted and murdered in Protestant England under elizabeth

Oh, so if it's Catholics being killed it's murder? But if it's Protestant being killed it's justice?
If you are ok with your church approving torture and murder, how are you any different than the most radical Muslim?

 

[theefaith]

Oh, so if it's Catholics being killed it's murder? But if it's Protestant being killed it's justice?
If you are ok with your church approving torture and murder, how are you any different than the most radical Muslim?

No you misunderstand as usual
It was the state acting on its own in Protestant england

 

[Illuminator]

Oh, so if it's Catholics being killed it's murder? But if it's Protestant being killed it's justice?
If you are ok with your church approving torture and murder, how are you any different than the most radical Muslim?

What a stupid statement! The Church does not approve of murder and torture, and if a few crazy Catholics and bad leaders are guilty, centuries ago, it was later condemned and apologies given. This has never happened with atrocities committed by Protestants. You have to dig up dirt from centuries ago because you think it proves something. Pope Francis approves of murder and torture? You have a warped and sick mind of Dave Hunt. You are a waste of screen space, good bye.

 

[jaybird]

Nope - your perverted understading of it is.

but the bible says to baptize in the name of Jesus, you say do not do that.

I was pointing out your hypocrisy, in that that you "follow" what Eusebius said about Baptism (not really - but in your flawed understanding) - yet you reject all of the other Catholic teachings he believed in.

i am not Catholic

 

[Renniks]

What a stupid statement! The Church does not approve of murder and torture, and if a few crazy Catholics and bad leaders are guilty, centuries ago, it was later condemned and apologies given. This has never happened with atrocities committed by Protestants. You have to dig up dirt from centuries ago because you think it proves something. Pope Francis approves of murder and torture? You have a warped and sick mind of Dave Hunt. You are a waste of screen space, good bye.

Thee refuses to condemn what the church approved. Tortured and murdered " heretics including children. Do you agree with him? If not, this isn't addressed to you. Who is Dave Hunt?

A few crazy Catholics? Get real, man. This wasn't an isolated incident, and I know Protestants did it too, I even mentioned that, so what are you complaining about?

 

[Renniks]

No you misunderstand as usual
It was the state acting on its own in Protestant england

What does this change? You called the church and state killing " heretics justice when the Catholics ruled. But when Catholics were killed you call it murder. That's called hypocrisy.

 

[Truther]

it says Pentecost came from heaven
It does not say from Jesus
Should be that the spirit proceeds from the father and the son

Jesus is in heaven. Pentecost came from Jesus and his Father in heaven.

The Holy Ghost is defined as God inside Christ...inside us.

 

[Truther]

Notice carefully.....>"they were baptized with the baptism of REPENTANCE"...
So, that is John the Baptist's water baptism that he gave the JEWS, before Jesus showed up.... and that is why these were baptized this way.
Its because they knew no better...., = they didnt know the Gospel yet.

Then, along comes Paul, and laid his hands on them, and they received 2nd Corinthians 12:12

Finally, 2 Timothy 2:8 and Romans 2:16 teach you that the Gospel of the Grace of God (that is not related to water), is "Paul's Gospel".

So, you need to bring your gospel into alignment with Paul's.
At this point, its not.

Now go and read this verse... 1st Corinthinans 1:17....>Paul speaking......"Christ sent me NOT TO Water BAPTIZE"..

Understand that word "NOT" ??

So, you are all about the water, but Paul is all about the real Gospel, that he defines as "His Gospel".
Peter didnt have that one in Acts 2:38

Notice carefully they were rebaptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins and filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost at the same event....like you need.

 

[Truther]

Really?

Sooooo, every BABY knew about Jesus and was upset?
Every BABY knows who Trump is?

Thank you for illustrating just how pathetic your grasp of Scripture is . . .

No, the babies repented and were baptized by John per RCC doctrine.

 

[BreadOfLife]

but the bible says to baptize in the name of Jesus, you say do not do that.

Actualkly, says to by the Authority of Christ's Trinitarian Baptism, per Matt. 28:19.
You're just not bright enough to understand that.

Keep studying - you'll get there . . .

i am not Catholic

Then WHY do you quote a Catholic about Baptism to prove a point - yet you reject everything else he believes??
That's called, "Hypocrisy", son . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, the babies repented and were baptized by John per RCC doctrine.

That's not what we teach.

Baptism replaces circumcision of the flesh.
Remember how 8-day-old BABIES entered the Covenant with God in the OT?

Do your homework . . ..

 

[Marymog]

I've never read that. Did the Ethiopian eunuch fast that Phillip baptized? That fact isn't in the text. Nor on the Day of Pentecost when 3000 were baptized. Who taught you that? That seems like adding to scripture.

Good point Lady, scripture does not say that the eunuch or anyone fasted before baptism. The fasting requirement was written in The Didache which was written before some NT epistles so I suspect the 1st century Christians were figuring these things out as they went along possibly, with some guidance from the Apostles. Did you know the Didache was considered by the early Church to be part of Scripture and a must read for Christians? You are the one who said “Actually only the first century had it right” when referring to The Church or early Christianity. I simply told you what Christians taught/practiced in the first century. Are you now suggesting they didn’t have it right??? Soooo Marymog wasn’t adding to Scripture.....your first century Christian brothers and sisters considered The Didache part of Scripture. It didn’t make the final cut of 27 books but it was in the running....

To answer your question “Who taught you that?”....I taught me that. I like to read what our 1st century Christian brothers/sisters practiced, believed etc. We stand on their shoulders and they spilled their blood, gave up their lives so you and I can have what we have today.

Historical Marhy

 

[Marymog]

I've never studied how the RCC or Orthodox defines grace. Why don't you tell me, and what your source is in the inspired Bible, and not a Catechism, if that is what you used regarding sprinkling and fasting.

Sooo let me see if I understand you correctly Lady. You trust the men of The Church to tell you what books belong in the “inspired Bible” but you don’t trust them to interpret that bible??? Or teach you doctrine??? Hmmmm......

The 1st century Christians practiced “sprinkling and fasting”.....the same 1 century Christians you claim got it right. Maybe you shouldn’t make that claim if you don’t even know what they ‘got right’????

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Hi Mary,

We are kindred spirits. I love to learn new facts too, but especially that God answered my prayer for Him to cleanse any denominational falsehoods from my mind, and replace them with the truth of His Word straight from the Author. Mary, what happened next was amazing and supernatural. The Bible became so clear, but alarming, as no denomination teaches what I've learned. And that is why I can no long affiliate with any denomination, but can fellowship anywhere.

As for your question, it was years ago and I no longer have access to the source. I was doing research for a book on church history that I was writing at the time. I borrowed the source from my pastor but he moved to California and took it with him. But I did write a document on my computer based on the facts and printed a copy, but I have looked and looked, and it seems I left it in my move across country. What I do remember it was in the 6th century that the last Desposyni was hunted down and killed by the Roman Church. Eusebus writes about them, but he wasn't alive when the last one died, and don't remember what ancient historian mentioned them. I'm sure the information is still out there somewhere, and I would love to get my hands on it. But the Crusaders killed thousands of Jews, and the Desposyni, of course, were Jewish Christians and had to go into hiding.

Seeing as they are gone now, we still have the Bible, and can follow the first church - the original - which was free of Gnostics, Nicolaitans and paganism. I try to adhere to the ways of the first Christians, and not what the modern church has become.

It is interesting that those heretical influences are still alive. But, at least the RCC and Orthodox didn't hold to the doctrines of the first two, but some Protestants are Gnostic and don't even know it, redefining the doctrine of grace from divine power to unmerited favor.

Thank you Lady. I will do some research based on the information you gave here and try to find it.....once again...Thank you.

If you want to “adhere to the ways of the first Christians” you should read the Didache, Clement of Rome, Polycarp and Ignatius of Antioch. What you will find is they taught what The Church teaches today! I would love to join you in discussion on what you read. I love Ignatius. Let me know when you finish his writings and we can discuss them.

I agree with you....You should not associate with denominations for they are only a branch of The Church. You are welcome to join her!

 

[Marymog]

Really? Let me tell you about my first Sunday school teacher, Mrs. Komar ...a little Polish lady who came to America. She was raised Catholic, but never once given the truth, that she could accept Jesus personally and be saved from her sin. Not that she had to do this or that ritual to be saved...but that he died for her. Fortunately, after she came to America a neighbor invited her to a small "holiness" church. No elaborate rituals, no big stain glass windows, just people who truly loved and knew Jesus. She was such a joyful person and loving people like her taught more about God than any sermon ever did. The gospel isn't "Listen to a man recite stuff you can't understand because it's in Latin (why?) And do this ritual and pay money to the church to keep your relatives out of purgatory. It's " Come unto me all you who are heavily laden and I will give you rest."

Lovely story Renniks....thanks for sharing.

It doesn’t change the FACT of what I said and actually re-enforces what I said: for 2,000 years men have been saying 'Jesus is my authority" and now we have hundreds of sects....one of which you follow...and multiple interpretations of the exact same passage....How sad!!! I don't know what you mean by keeping the truth from the people and allowing them to die without ever hearing the gospel.....another bizarre Protesant accusation I suspect.

 

[Marymog]

i have read a million, but if it was one, that would be one to many.
both Prots and Caths, makes no difference.
some of the worsts atrocities were carried out in Ireland. when the Irish were starving the Prot missionaries would offer them soup, but only if they converted. if they refused these "men of G-D" would have no problem watching them starve to death.

Sooooo no website??? No book you can point me toward???? Nothing? Zilch??? Nada???

That’s what i thought....Thank you for your time.

 

[Renniks]

I don't know what you mean by keeping the truth from the people and allowing them to die without ever hearing the gospel.....another bizarre Protesant accusation I suspect.

Lol, I guess you really didn't get the point of my story then. My experience with people who have been raised Catholic is that it more often turns them away from God than towards him. And yes, this can happen in other sects also. If there is no invitation to receive Christ in a church on a regular basis, I don't want to be part of that church. The main purpose of the Church is what? To go into all the world and preach the gospel and yes, discipleship also, but the gospel should be in the forefront.

 

[Marymog]

I've never read that. Did the Ethiopian eunuch fast that Phillip baptized? That fact isn't in the text. Nor on the Day of Pentecost when 3000 were baptized. Who taught you that? That seems like adding to scripture.



What are you quoting? It isn't a Bible text. I prefer full immersion that illustrates full burial of the dead, as just sprinkling a little dirt on the dead would allow them to still stink, wouldn't it? But I believe God will accept either full immersion or sprinkling for the spiritual meaning behind them. But whichever, we baptize in the name of the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I've always believed in the Trinity and that hasn't changed from examining Scripture.



I've never studied how the RCC or Orthodox defines grace. Why don't you tell me, and what your source is in the inspired Bible, and not a Catechism, if that is what you used regarding sprinkling and fasting.

Hi,

You seem to be adamant that you and your people adhere to Scripture only practices at your church gathering.

When you baptize do you do as the 1st century Christians did and baptize in a river? Pond? Lake?

What do you do if the person that desires to be baptized has a medical reason that doesn’t allow them to go into water??

How does your church fulfill James 5:14?

Does your church have ministers who can forgive sins in the name of Jesus (John 20:21-23)?

Does your church meet daily for the breaking of the bread ( Matthew 6:11, Acts 2:42-46)?

I have heard a lot about these home churches but never joined one or been to one of their meetings. I am curious how they handle those things.

Thank you in advance.....Mary

 

[jaybird]

Sooooo no website??? No book you can point me toward???? Nothing? Zilch??? Nada???

That’s what i thought....Thank you for your time.

are you claiming the church never burned anyone alive?