I've just had my first dose of Covid vaccine!

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I wish you luck! If the Lord wanted my cells to contain genetic coding for a virus spike protein to express on their surfaces, he would have made me that way. If you want to make an inactivated virus vaccine or a protein subunit that doesnt hijack my cells (Novavax is working on one in clinical trials, 90% effective or so), I would take it and let my immune system do the work as though I caught the virus, because that is how the Lord designed us. If you want to override my gene pool to express a protein of your choice for my cells to put on their plasma membrane and appear as they are a foreign invader to our own immune cells, then I say no, not a chance. I will not thank the Lord for mRNA vaccinations because I do not think he is happy about his creation overriding his biological design. Free will is a dangerous gift!

Don't you realise that this is happening in your body almost every day, whenever you are exposed to a virus? This is how viruses reproduce: they enter your body cells, hijack them, force them to make viral proteins (which are expressed on the cell surface). The infected cells then appear like a foreign invader to your immune system, which kills them - and thus eliminates the virus. Viral DNA doesn't get into your "gene pool".

These vaccines are mimicking a perfectly natural, everyday process. It's just one viral protein, instead of half a dozen. I don't find it in the least bit scary - just ingenious. And I don't think God minds at all - I think He is applauding us.
 
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Out of every 75,000 people who get covid-19 150 people die and 1,000+ go into the hospital...50,000 of those infected will seek medical treatment of some sort.

Out of the 75,000 who have been vaxxed...no one has died and a dozen sought treatment from catching Covid-19.

So...guess what?
 

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Give thanks to the Lord!

Curious...Were you Tested for Corona Virus?
Curious...If yes...Results.
Curious...How much did your Vaccine Cost?
Curious...Do you require additional Vaccines?
Curious...Were you guaranteed to not ever Contract A Corona Virus?
Curious...IF tested positive, were you guaranteed The Vaccine would cure you of the Corona Viral Effects of a Weakened Immune System?

TY
 

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Out of every 75,000 people who get covid-19 150 people die and 1,000+ go into the hospital...50,000 of those infected will seek medical treatment of some sort.

Out of the 75,000 who have been vaxxed...no one has died and a dozen sought treatment from catching Covid-19.

So...guess what?

Immune Boosters seem more plausable to me than Intentional injection of Known immune killers.

:D
 

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Immune Boosters seem more plausable to me than Intentional injection of Known immune killers.

:D

ROFL...
So I'm not the only one in a goofy mood this morning eh?

I'm watching my stock picks in premarket currently waiting to skyrocket...
So I'm pretty happy. I haven't done this in a while and I'm still trying to refresh and get up to speed...but my ability to pick them seems to be just as good as it used to be.

It's a huge amount of data I got to sift through...and it's boring stuff to boot.

But it can really pay off after doing all that homework.
 

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Don't you realise that this is happening in your body almost every day, whenever you are exposed to a virus? This is how viruses reproduce: they enter your body cells, hijack them, force them to make viral proteins (which are expressed on the cell surface). The infected cells then appear like a foreign invader to your immune system, which kills them - and thus eliminates the virus. Viral DNA doesn't get into your "gene pool".

These vaccines are mimicking a perfectly natural, everyday process. It's just one viral protein, instead of half a dozen. I don't find it in the least bit scary - just ingenious. And I don't think God minds at all - I think He is applauding us.
Actually, most viruses hijack your cells replicative machinery where the viral proteins are packaged into lipid vesicles where they then fuse with the plasma membrane for release from the cell thus generating a new viral particle. Other times the infected cell is lysed by the virus. Other viruses can remain there forever where they alter gene expression and form further health issues such as cancer (HPV). Again, still a different mechanism and spiritually it is totally different as one spreads naturally and the other you are taking by faith. God is not cheering on genetic manipulation, I assure you. In fact, he destroyed the world with a flood last time the gene pool was being manipulated! And yes, even if it does not alter your DNA, RNA is genetic material and therefore tricking your cells to take it in and use it is indeed altering your gene pool, even if only temporarily.

Not to mention, we are opening the door to crispr babies and all kinds of genetic manipulation now. We are playing God. I firmly believe God did not intend on us becoming our own God. I doubt he is pleased. In fact, I am certain he is not pleased or he would not be sending judgment upon the world as we speak.

Science is fascinating, but we have limits.

Let me ask, do you applaud the great science miracle of abortions also? I assure you God is not cheering us on for this “science”, even in the .001% cases people like to use to defend the spilling of innocent blood.
 
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Again, I'm not going by heresy on the internet, I'm waiting to watch for the people I know personally that are planning to get this vaccine.
Just make sure you wait to see the long term effects . Short term wont be near as bad as the long term effects .
For that ya gotta wait , i would say at least five or ten years . Can you imagine
a day down the road , a few years , where some are saying man i wish i had listened and not taken that shot .
Cause i sure can . But by then it will be just a waiting game to see who gets sicker and who dont .
You DO not want to be in those shoes in those days . So i am pleading please do not take this shot . You are loved dear sister .
 

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Curious...Were you Tested for Corona Virus?
Curious...If yes...Results.
I've not yet had any reason to be tested for coronavirus.

Curious...How much did your Vaccine Cost?

It didn't cost me anything (all medications and vaccinations for the purpose of public health are free in the UK).

Curious...Do you require additional Vaccines?

I will be having a second dose of the same vaccine in 6-12 weeks.

Curious...Were you guaranteed to not ever Contract A Corona Virus?

Certainly not! No vaccine is 100% effective.

Curious...IF tested positive, were you guaranteed The Vaccine would cure you of the Corona Viral Effects of a Weakened Immune System?

No vaccine can cure "a weakened immune system". That's not what vaccines are for.
 
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Science is fascinating, but we have limits.

Let me ask, do you applaud the great science miracle of abortions also? I assure you God is not cheering us on for this “science”, even in the .001% cases people like to use to defend the spilling of innocent blood.

Science itself is neutral; it can be used for good or for bad. And people were performing abortions centuries before "science" came along.
 

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I've not yet had any reason to be tested for coronavirus.



It didn't cost me anything (all medications and vaccinations for the purpose of public health are free in the UK).



I will be having a second dose of the same vaccine in 6-12 weeks.



Certainly not! No vaccine is 100% effective.



No vaccine can cure "a weakened immune system". That's not what vaccines are for.

TY.

What is a Vaccine for?
 
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For you and others who take issue with this thread. You realize the member posted about her personal life regarding having gotten the vaccine in the Christian Debate forum, right?

They invited the debate. Now some who don't like the anti-vaccine side of it are upset a debate ensued?

Love ya. :) (HUGS)




Love ya too, but she might have asked for negative feedback when posting it here but we (her responders) didn't.
 

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I haven't been forced to have anything, and it's not an experiment.

I didn't say u were forced... We will be getting forced down here than up there next winter...
If it's not an experiment then it wouldn't be called an experimental vaccine.
Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Modernas vaccines are all self proclaimed experimental vaccines
 

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I didn't say u were forced... We will be getting forced down here than up there next winter...
If it's not an experiment then it wouldn't be called an experimental vaccine.
Astrazeneca, Pfizer and Modernas vaccines are all self proclaimed experimental vaccines

All new technologies are "experimental" to begin with. But once they have been shown to work, that label should no longer be used. All these vaccines have been evaluated and approved for general use, so they are no longer experimental.
 
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Love ya too, but she might have asked for negative feedback when posting it here but we (her responders) didn't.
Is it negativity to care about people who would be doing their future a disservice by agreeing to be injected with mRNA vaccine?
We read the naysayer(s) that push the mRNA vaccine and insult and condemn physicians with enormous credentials to their credit who put their career and name on the line warning against this virus. And some in that group are not in any way credentialed in their rebuttal of the physicians who know of what they speak when they warn against this vaccine. And being this is the internet they claim they're married to someone who knows the vaccines are safe. Really?
Someone who claims their wife knows what she's talking about, but she isn't a member, casts aspersions and insults upon physicians who go on the record with not just their credentials, but the scientific data that forewarns this mRNA vaccine is not safe and who are we here suppose to believe? The guy who claims to married to someone who says, go for it, get the shot?

I never insulted anyone who got the vaccine. They're life is now forever changed. They may insult those of us who feel for them and pray for them and they even mock that however, for my part, pushing back against the pro-vaccine non-credible pusher mentality here with the scientific evidence afforded by credentialed physicians who show their face, and provide the data against mRNA, isn't negative. It's a positive.
People need to be informed fully that if they choose to get the vaccine what they're facing.

It isn't right, it isn't moral, it isn't fair, to let a pro-mRNA vaccine agenda repeat itself ad nausea and when there is evidence out there that warns against that vaccine, let that remain muted and not brought to peoples attention with equal vigor.
 

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Your first link is all about a controversial trial involving just 50 or so volunteers, which may be the precursor to future vaccine research. Nothing to do with the vaccination programme currently being rolled out to millions, using vaccines which have been tested in the traditional way.

The British Government's strategy is correctly described as a gamble (although there is some data to support it, and many vaccines do work better when the doses are given further apart), but it isn't an experiment. A scientific experiment would have a control group. And it baffles me that anyone would consider that a reason not to have the vaccine, as we do know that even one dose is better than none.
 
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