Who founded your church?

[theefaith]

Sorry BOL, I've been in Christianity Board Purgatory for the last 3 weeks, for a slanderous remark that I made to another member, ...and to think, I was actually holding back my true sentiments.
...point is, i forget where this began.
Ok, I'll concede that many monks were martyred for their faith, but John the Baptist may have been an ascetic or Essene, as much as Elijah the Tishbite made a vow of ascetism - it was circumstance, not an avowal of self-mortification.

matt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

 

[Truther]

Thanks for that hopelessly ignorant Scriptural explanation.

Now, let's read what Paul wrote, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit:
Col. 2:11-12
In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in BAPTISM, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead

Baptism is the fulfillment of circumcision, Einstein . . .

No silly.

Baptism is the new covenant sign.

Circumcision is the old covenant sign.

You think one covenant fulfills another.

Your idea excludes the ladies by your reasoning, inadvertently saying that only the males are "circumcised spiritually" for the females, which were not required circumcision.

 

[Truther]

Educate yourself, fallen one.

Listen carefully...
All water cults replace the Gospel of the Grace of God with "water baptism".
That includes yours.
Bottom line.

Like Peter's cult did?...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


...It must be enlightening to not need remission of sins to be saved.

Did you just confess and sign a church membership card instead?

Did you repeat the "sinners prayer" instead?

What new way did you get saved, rather that Peter's cult?

 

[Behold]

matt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Now, notice something..
In both of thos situations, the person is doing something.
So, that is SELF EFFORT.

Here is the catch... Self effort is not accepted by God to give you the new birth.
And if you die not having the new birth, you will go to hell like a bullet.
Believe it.

See..The new birth is only accomplished based on what Jesus did on the Cross, followed by death and resurrection.
See THAT Work?
That is the "finished work of Jesus, (who is GOD) on THE CROSS."""

So, God accepts what HE Provided, to accept you.
Your works need not apply to God, as He only accepts His own, to save you.

 

[Truther]

Now, notice something..
In both of thos situations, the person is doing something.
So, that is SELF EFFORT.

Here is the catch... Self effort is not accepted by God to give you the new birth.
And if you die not having the new birth, you will go to hell like a bullet.
Believe it.

See..The new birth is only accomplished based on what Jesus did on the Cross, followed by death and resurrection.
See THAT Work?
That is the "finished work of Jesus, (who is GOD) on THE CROSS."""

So, God accepts what HE Provided, to accept you.
Your works need not apply to God, as He only accepts His own, to save you.

Acts 2:38 is simply.... we do what we must do, and God does what He must do....


38 Then Peter said unto them, (OUR PART)Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and (GOD'S PART)ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So, obey Acts 2:38, not some kooky theologian trying to talk you into skipping it.

 

[theefaith]

Now, notice something..
In both of thos situations, the person is doing something.
So, that is SELF EFFORT.

Here is the catch... Self effort is not accepted by God to give you the new birth.
And if you die not having the new birth, you will go to hell like a bullet.
Believe it.

See..The new birth is only accomplished based on what Jesus did on the Cross, followed by death and resurrection.
See THAT Work?
That is the "finished work of Jesus, (who is GOD) on THE CROSS."""

So, God accepts what HE Provided, to accept you.
Your works need not apply to God, as He only accepts His own, to save you.

then we’re back to all are saved?

 

[Marymog]

The Catholic Church, despite it's pretentious title, is not Catholic. The Papacy departed from any true relationship with Christ when she married the empire. Spiritual adultery when she abandoned Christ for politicians and they Kings of the world. The true Catholic faith resided in those who from the beginning opposed such a monstrous falling away from truth and we're persecuted by the Roman church for their troubles.

Hmmmm...Sooooo Protestantism is following the truth? With all your different men creating different doctrines and interpreting the same passage 3 different ways??? Protestants didn’t persecute anyone? Interesting theory...

 

[Marymog]

The church is the body of christ, those of the faith of Abraham, not a parameterized stone building with concrete foundations.

OK DNB...sooo putting your theory to the test, which church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) and which church do we go to when we want to settle our differences (Matthew 18:17)?

 

[Truther]

Hmmmm...Sooooo Protestantism is following the truth? With all your different men creating different doctrines and interpreting the same passage 3 different ways??? Protestants didn’t persecute anyone? Interesting theory...

Protestantism is clawing it's way back to the truth and trying to shake the RCC's deceptive hook.

 

[theefaith]

Hmmmm...Sooooo Protestantism is following the truth? With all your different men creating different doctrines and interpreting the same passage 3 different ways??? Protestants didn’t persecute anyone? Interesting theory...

that’s very silly considering the state and all kings owe allegiance to Christ the king of kings of who peter and his successors are the vicar and representative

 

[theefaith]

Now, notice something..
In both of thos situations, the person is doing something.
So, that is SELF EFFORT.

Here is the catch... Self effort is not accepted by God to give you the new birth.
And if you die not having the new birth, you will go to hell like a bullet.
Believe it.

See..The new birth is only accomplished based on what Jesus did on the Cross, followed by death and resurrection.
See THAT Work?
That is the "finished work of Jesus, (who is GOD) on THE CROSS."""

So, God accepts what HE Provided, to accept you.
Your works need not apply to God, as He only accepts His own, to save you.

FACAGA?

Faith alone:
Christ alone:
Grace alone:

Three things are eternal (and therefore inseparable) faith, hope, & charity, and the greatest of these is charity! 1 cor 13

And never “faith alone”!

Rev. 2 I know thy works! I thought faith alone is all that mattered?

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

How can salvation be by faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone?

Faith alone?

1 cor 13:2 and 13:13, Phil 1:29, James 2:24 Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 oppose faith alone!

Christ alone?

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:24
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Not Christ alone must also believe on the Father who sent Christ!

Grace alone? Mk 16:16 faith and baptism!
Jn 3:5 water and the spirit! Ez 36:25-27

Not grace alone but, grace thru baptism of water and the spirit, and a new heart full of love of God!

Matt 5:7 mercy thru merciful
Lk 7:47 forgiven by love
1 pet 4:8 charity covers sins
Jn 20:21-23 sins forgiven

Acts 22:15 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Jn 3:5 born again refers to baptismal regeneration


Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!

 

[Marymog]

Protestantism is clawing it's way back to the truth and trying to shake the RCC's deceptive hook.

Which truth? Protestantism teaches that Baptism saves and is necessary....baptism doesn’t save and is not necessary. Real Presence...no real presence. Mary perpetual virgin...not perpetual virgin. Anyone can read scripture and be guided to the truth.....onlyTHEIR denomination has the truth Etc etc etc

Protestantism teaches MANY truths....all of which YOU individually get to decide what is truth.

See the conundrum you are in Truther?

 

[DNB]

matt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Yes, I agree with Jesus, of course, but I don't hide in a monastery or deserted places. We are the salt of the earth, what good is a candle hidden under a cover?

 

[DNB]

OK DNB...sooo putting your theory to the test, which church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) and which church do we go to when we want to settle our differences (Matthew 18:17)?

The Bible, seriously. History has proven that that no one denomination is reliable. This is where, Mary, you are missing the entirety of the point. You are staring at the culprits behind the most egregious crimes committed in all of Christendom, and you can't see where the church of Christ resides?
Why is that? How naive do you prefer to remain?

 

[Behold]

then we’re back to all are saved?

Everyone who is born again by the Spirit of God., sure.

 

[Behold]

So, obey Acts 2:38, not some kooky theologian trying to talk you into skipping it.

Go here... and notice = "MY Gospel"

Romans 2:16

Romans 16:25

1 Corinthians 3:10

2 Timothy 2:8

 

[Behold]

FACAGA?

How can salvation be by faith alone in Christ alone thru grace alone?

How can it not?
Did God offer anything other then Himself on a Cross, and His own blood?
That is what He offered as Salvation.
Works need not apply.
Good deeds need not apply.

Listen.
The only way you will go to Heaven, is to have God's Righteousness as your own.

Water does not offer this...
Commandments do not offer this..
Communion does not offer this..
Mary does not offer this.
Penance and Repentance does not offer this..

The only way you can receive Righteousness is by being BORN AGAIN, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Thats the final answer.
God accepts no other, as He offered no other WAY for you to be accepted by God.. = John 14:6

 

[Brakelite]

Hmmmm...Sooooo Protestantism is following the truth? With all your different men creating different doctrines and interpreting the same passage 3 different ways??? Protestants didn’t persecute anyone? Interesting theory...

Not a very good diversion...too obvious. Read my post again. The Papal church disqualified itself from being the "pillar and ground for truth" when she apostatized and was married to another other than Christ. It is called spiritual adultery...joined to the kings of the earth. Jesus warned the church about such a move through His apostles..."Love not the world nor the things of the world. If any man (or church) love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." 1John 2:15
See Revelation 17:1,2.
Nor am I excusing any Protestant institution for partaking of the same apostasy...the same heresy...the same sins... Even more they are abandoning Protestantism and returning to Mother in order to partake of the same sins.. And eventually suffer the same judgement.
We are not saved, any of us, by belonging to a denomination. We are all, every one of us, saved as individuals, through faith in Christ.

 

[Illuminator]

How can it not?
Did God offer anything other then Himself on a Cross, and His own blood?
That is what He offered as Salvation.

Agreed.

Works need not apply.
Good deeds need not apply.

James 2:24 disagrees with you.

Listen.
The only way you will go to Heaven, is to have God's Righteousness as your own.

Agreed.

Water does not offer this...
Commandments do not offer this..
Communion does not offer this..
Mary does not offer this.
Penance and Repentance does not offer this..

A list of non-sequiturs and straw man fallacies.

The only way you can receive Righteousness is by being BORN AGAIN, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

We are BORN AGAIN by water and the spirit in baptism. Jesus is explicitly clear in His definition of BORN AGAIN in John 3:3-5. Man made traditions and novel definitions of "BORN AGAIN" came about centuries later. Having an emotional experience at an altar call, as valuable as that may be, is not BORN AGAIN according to the Bible and 2000 years of consistent teaching. Sola scripturists are hopelessly divided over baptism, proving SS to be a farce. Forensic or imputed justification is a novel invention not found anywhere for 1600 years.

Thats the final answer.
God accepts no other, as He offered no other WAY for you to be accepted by God.. = John 14:6

Agreed, but your logical fallacies are insulting.

 

[theefaith]

Yes, I agree with Jesus, of course, but I don't hide in a monastery or deserted places. We are the salt of the earth, what good is a candle hidden under a cover?

the church is a whole
Some hide from the world and give their lives entirely to God in prayer and sacrifice enabling others to proclaim Gods word with great efficacy
One waters the other reaps